I certainly hope they do well in this market but many newcomers have come with positive fanfare only to crash and burn because of bad quality.
http://www.irizar.com/usa/ (http://www.irizar.com/usa/)
If they develop a good service network across the continent, they could do well. I see they are using a Cummins and Allison powertrain for this market, making easier to partner with service providers. Irizar has been involved for a long time in parts of the world where bus travel has remained the best and only way for people to travel. If I was in the bus business, I would certainly look into their offer. I wouldn't be surprised to see them take market share away from MCI and Prevost... We'll see...
JC
Competition is always a good thing since it keeps the old guard on their toes. I like the CUMMINS part too. :)
There is no other engine available in the American market but the Cummins,I hope the Irizar does better this time around the last time it was a nightmare with all the electrical problems.
The Turkish company has a new 45 ft on the market here now not a bad looking bus with the Cummins engine made in China
DETROIT is available in MCI, VAN-HOOL and soon to be THOMAS.
Yep but MCI has ties to M/B with the Setra so does Vanhool and Thomas
I understand that THOMAS and SETRA are part of DAIMLER so you are correct on that part of the argument. But MCI offered DETROIT engines long before they got into this spaghetti plate arrangement with SETRA.
VAN-HOOL is not affiliated with DAIMLER at least at the moment.
Thomas the tanks engine? I thought it was gas.
MCI had no excess to the DD13 till they made the deal you are right MCI along with manufactures did use the series 60,50 and 40 but that changed with the new engines ,Vanhool and Dailmer have a joint venture on going in Spain I read in a bus magazine
True and I also forgot about the VAN-HOOL 3035RE that was built on a FREIGHTLINER chassis.
Didn't know about the venture in Spain but the market if quite different over there.
PIERCE one of the largest American fire apparatus builders offers DETROIT engines and they certainly have no affiliation with DAIMLER and in fact, they are the only one that offers DD. Some customers want them I guess.
It's good for Cummins,Daimler won't let IH,Pete,KW,Volvo have their engine but I do see Daimler using their DD5 and DD6 engines in their RV chassis competing with Cummins for that market
Since Ford acquired Cummins ,it seems they will sell to any one who can show them the money,even in a Nissan pick up for goodness sakes!! 60 grand !!
When did Ford acquire Cummins?
Happy coaching!
buawarrior
I read someplace Ford sold their stake in Cummins back before 2000 but I don't know that for sure since I don't do Google ::)
CUMMINS is not owned by FORD but perhaps they had a very small interest in CUMMINS many years ago. I have been a CUMMINS stock holder since '02 so if FORD should happen to want to buy them, I would get a nice check.
FORD would prefer to build their own engines and who can blame them since the NAVISTAR disaster in the FORD SUPER DUTY.
"The heck with it, we'll do it ourselves. That new ISV V8 would have been nice in the F150 as diesel option. But NISSAN should do very well with it in the TITAN.
I bought some Cummins of India LTD last week I'll see how that works outs my US Cummins stock has been good I am waiting for a split
You notice since Ford started building their own 6.7 liter V-8, you haven't really heard of anything about it-the old saying-no news is good news. Good Luck, TomC
Too bad Cummins is the only US based independent Diesel engine company with on highway certified engines. Both Caterpillar and John Deere have excellent engines that have to be Tier 4 certified also using Urea injection in the exhaust to come up to off road standards. But both Cat and JD are making more than enough engines for their off road equipment and marine engines. Classic example of companies that just don't want to deal with on highway engines and the regulations that go with them. Good Luck, TomC
A few nights ago I took a Primera Plus service from Mexico City to Aguascalientes in a MAN with Irizar PB body. Very comfortable, wide seats with individual screens in them, and absolutely no squeaks or rattles from the body as we went over the damnably-rough toll road north of Mex City. I'm impressed with Irizar's quality. Bus services here in MX make Greyhound look rather hopeless in comparison. I really hope that Irizar succeeds in the USA.
John
Sounds nice. But you have to remember that an MCI or PREVOST could probably be ordered with such seating configurations as well. The operators can configure a bus regardless of who builds it. It all depends on the market.
Tom you are correct but then again CAT had engines that competed with DD but obviously they felt they couldn't cut it EPA mandates or not otherwise they would still be in the game. MAXFORCE even started to show up in some bus applications other than skoolies. But now it looks like NAVISTAR is slowly getting out of the engine business given that their skoolie now has the CUMMINS engine as the sole diesel offering. Never thought NAVISTAR would do that.
A Ford truck salesman told me that effective with in the next couple of years ,that Dodge would no longer have the Cummins engine as it had been aquired by Ford. Every time I pass on second hand info.I get in trouble!!!!
Cat also left the market based on the fact all the truck manufactures were making their own engines is what a Cat rep told me, IH won't be gone for long they are developing 3 new engines now to return in 2019
HEHE maybe that salesman owns CUMMINS stock too and was trying to stir up something to get FORD to think about a takeover. :)
No, like I said, FORD appears to in the belief that "If you want to do something right, you have to do it yourself."
PREVOST you might say offers their own engines since VOLVO owns them and do so in a big picture sense.
We'll see how NAVISTAR does with these new engines you speak of. Their recent history has given good reason for doubt.
IH and Cat have been in a joint venture for several years now developing a engine based on the C-15 fwiw,They knew their days were numbered when Cummins filed suit and won about the unfair practices with just paying the EPA fine of 1300 bucks and producing more engines but they got away with for 6 years ;D
Cummins is still chasing DD for mileage and longevity lol the Prevost owners I know would love to have another option for engines, it is strange you can buy a Volvo truck with a Cummins but not a Prevost.I don't care for the Cummins 8.3 liter engines made in China that is not a great engine IMO
The C8.3 is I believe no longer offered for US buses or trucks. Perhaps applications other than highway use.
Quote from: CrabbyMilton on April 18, 2016, 09:25:31 AM
The C8.3 is I believe no longer offered for US buses or trucks. Perhaps applications other than highway use.
I don't know if Cummins stopped production on the ISC or not I thought all the CNG engines where 8.3 ISC engines it's a piece of crap by any name