We had been getting fuel at the RV side for some time at flying J. there was a long line so I went to the truck side to fill up got 100 gals of fuel. The 8v71 loved the truck side fuel she stopped blowing smoke. So I think they have better fuel for the trucks then to the RVs same price. Anybody else notice this ?
Maybe this? Did you notice yellow sticker? Are fuel filters starting to plug just a little, but not noticeable yet, just less smoke?
http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php?topic=61555.0 (http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php?topic=61555.0)
no plug had more power going up hills and also she ran a lot smother!
hi Rob, I filled up once in Barstow with 20% bio diesel, after just changing out my old style canister fuel filters, in my 5A with an 8V71, plugged up the filter with the sock cover bringing fuel flow to 6psi, but it did run with much less smoke till it plugged up, lvmci...
Did you get the same grade diesel from both islands, say both #1?
I have bought fuel many times from the RV side at the Flying J referenced in the posted link and can not tell any difference in it and the fuel I buy at other places. If you are in an area that gets winter diesel in winter you may have gotten some of that.
That outfit is so shady now no telling what you bought
Both where #2 different states calf. And then NM. From there it was always at truck stops.
Which big chain is good to stop at ?
Quote from: luvrbus on November 03, 2015, 03:59:07 PMThat outfit is so shady now no telling what you bought
Yeah, Jay Call founded Flying J on a reputation for quality and service for truckers and travelers but by the 1990's, the "investment banker" types had taken over and they were all about getting money in the front and back door so that the stock price would look good -- didn't matter if they made a profit, they were looking at money coming in. When Jay Call died in 2003, the management went crazy, bought a 1930's refinery in California (yeah, a petroleum company in the Peoples Repubik of Califorica, Camerrad -- what could go wrong with that plan????), and bled money for years. Then, the recession hit (with oil going from over $100 a barrel to about $40) and they had no cash to tide them over. So, they got desperate, did a lot of stupid things (hiked prices, dropped service, began treating truckers like trash) and killed their reputation which ran the business away. Bankrupt in 2009, bought as a wreck by Pilot soon after with plans by Pilot to plunder and suck dry whatever assets there were left. Kind of a classic story. You used to be able to depend of Flying J - not any more.
I still shop with the Call family she is doing a good job with the families chain of Maverick stores I doubt she ever goes the truck stop route again because of the pilot deal but her stores are RV friendly like the old Flying J.
FWIW Quick Trip are by far nicer fuel stops than the Pilots in time they will cover the US. I don't do Pilot,Loves,TA or Petro to many nice independent fuel stops out there that really appreciate and want your business
Quote from: luvrbus on November 04, 2015, 01:12:41 AMI still shop with the Call family she is doing a good job with the families chain of Maverick stores I doubt she ever goes the truck stop route again because of the pilot deal but her stores are RV friendly like the old Flying J.
FWIW Quick Trip are by far nicer fuel stops than the Pilots in time they will cover the US. I don't do Pilot,Loves,TA or Petro to many nice independent fuel stops out there that really appreciate and want your business
I don't think we have "Maverick" stores out here - certainly not near me but if we did, it would be where I'd stop. The "Wall Streeters" didn't listen to Jay's daughter when they should have. Agree - no Pilot, TA, or Petro for me; on the other hand, Loves here consistently has "auto-diesel" for 12-18 cents a gallon cheaper than most other places so I'll stop there with the TDI. But not with the bus.
I would walk before buying from Pilot,I have a dear friend that owned 4 or 5 fuel stops in Texas and truckers loved his places for Taco's 24 hrs a day.
Pilot made it so hard for him to survive by keeping fuel prices low selling fuel below his cost and buying up all the fuel in the area he finally gave up and they own him now,he told me their day will come and he is waiting to see it
I can't be bothered picking and choosing a gas station when travelling. Like most people, I stop wherever is most convenient, fill up, and go.
JC
I don't shop prices when you drive miles looking for fuel for 3 cents a gal cheaper how much have you saved on a 100 gals ? but I don't like nasty @$# truck stops
Quote from: luvrbus on November 04, 2015, 03:28:51 AM
I don't shop prices when drive miles looking for fuel for 3 cents a gal cheaper how much have you saved on a 100 gals ? but I don't like nasty @$# truck stops
The only thing I like less than nasty @$# truck stops is walking - :o
Only thing worse than walking past one would be doing so with an empty fuel can knowing you'll have a longer walk back with a full can. . . .
(so, I look for fuel when it gets to 1/2 tank) :^)
I hold 207 gals of fuel I really don't worry about running out of fuel so I can pick and choose averaging 7.5 mpg.
I always fill at night or early the next day when I shut down for over night anyways just a practice I done for years
Driving for Swift, we fueled at any truck stop that takes Comdata card. That is a lot of Flying Js and Loves. Some are pretty rough, but really never had a bad experience. You just fuel up, clean your windows, and go. Sleeping in them can be a challenge. In the smaller ones, you can't park far away enough to get away from the noise of idling trucks and APUs. In Montana, Town Pumps are nicer, with good and clean drivers lounges with clean showers. The nicest truck stop I saw is just West of Spokane WA on I90. A Petro. Large paved lot, handicapped parking for handicapped truckers!, and reserved parking stalls near the building if you call ahead and pay extra. I just fueled up there, it wasn't late enough to spend the night...
Having used truck stops both with a truck and an RV, most truck stops have limited parking and by late afternoon it is hard to find a spot to back into for the night. So driving a truck, seeing RVs using rare parking stalls can be frustrating. When travelling with the bus, I am careful to park at the back of the lot to stay away from the working truckers. Most of them are quite polite though and don't say anything. Even though you might spend as much money at the pump and in the building as any trucker, the RVer is still look at as being on holidays, rather than working for a living.
Back to the quality of fuel. It maybe varies more in the US than in Canada where it is quire consistent, as long as you buy from high volume branded stations.
JC
Quote from: luvrbus on November 04, 2015, 03:46:09 AM
I always fill at night or early the next day when I shut down for over night anyways just a practice I done for years
Is that because the fuel is colder and denser, so you can fill more BTUs into your tank?
John
Because of the smog devices in trucks since 2007, all Diesel is 15ppm (parts per million). I doubt there is much difference between fuels anymore. Thankfully the refiners have gotten the refining of the 15ppm to the point where Diesel is back to where it should be-around $2.50/gal.
Off road Diesel now is also 15ppm but died red since it doesn't have road tax. Marine Diesel is died purple, but maybe either older 500ppm or higher sulphur. That's why most marine engines still run well. Good Luck, TomC
Sulphur has never been good inside any engine - it is abrasive.
Running sulphur thru an engine also makes the air harder to breathe. :o
The problem is that the process to remove sulphur also removes the aromatic hydrocarbons that provided the lubrication. They have now figured out the additives required to put the necessary lubrication back in. ;D
BTW
Diesel is less than $2.00 / gal in Greenville, SC today with some under $1.80 / gal.
Gonna enjoy it as long as it lasts ! ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Iceni John on November 04, 2015, 04:17:31 AM
Is that because the fuel is colder and denser, so you can fill more BTUs into your tank?
John
Pumps/meters are density/temperature compensated...or they should be.
Quote from: eagle19952 on November 04, 2015, 08:48:05 AM
Pumps/meters are density/temperature compensated...or they should be.
I think (but maybe I'm wrong!) that my local Costco has a sign on its gasoline pumps saying that fuel is dispensed by volume only. I'll have to check that next time I'm there. Mind you, if the fuel is coming from underground tanks there's probably not much difference in its temperature between day and night, or even between summer and winter. I'm always surprised how much diesel expands when it's warm - one time I filled my tank completely full, then the next hot day some of the fuel leaked out of the tank's vent and onto the ground, making the yard's owner less than happy!
John
Quote from: Iceni John on November 04, 2015, 04:09:44 PM
I think (but maybe I'm wrong!) that my local Costco has a sign on its gasoline pumps saying that fuel is dispensed by volume only. I'll have to check that next time I'm there. Mind you, if the fuel is coming from underground tanks there's probably not much difference in its temperature between day and night, or even between summer and winter. I'm always surprised how much diesel expands when it's warm - one time I filled my tank completely full, then the next hot day some of the fuel leaked out of the tank's vent and onto the ground, making the yard's owner less than happy!
John
Dispensing fuel to aircraft...the density becomes critical, hence temp comp. weight and balance.
Infact we made money de-fueling certain aircraft because static wing loads would deform the structure on some aircraft.. Load masters calculate more than cargo.
Imagine the difference if you bought 100,000 gallons a week.
Quote from: TomC on November 04, 2015, 04:21:51 AM... Thankfully the refiners have gotten the refining of the 15ppm to the point where Diesel is back to where it should be-around $2.50/gal.
Unfortunately, no. When the US/N America had 500 ppm fuel, it could not be sold in Europe because they already required 15 ppm fuel. Since EPA required 15 ppm (ULSD), the
"new" American fuel can be sold in Europe, so they do. Since it's so highly taxed in the Sozialist Workers' Republiks over there, the companies conspire to run higher profits. So, they pump oil out of the ground near your house but you can buy the diesel because they're sending it to Europe (and India and China) because they can make more profit on it.
I believe sulfur is an additive to diesel. Since fuel is produced through fractional distillation, it would be impossible to have even 15 ppm without adding it. Without sulfur, diesel is just heating oil, which is a solvent. The charred sulfur is actually a lubricant kinda like graphite. Its under 10 microns and at that size it is more polishing compound than abrasive. The sulfur was added to the solvent to keep the rings from chaffing. Now they haven't found a suitable replacement as of yet. It also has the quality of binding the molecules so they dont squeeze by the injection pistons so easily and aiding better injection pressures. Kinda like when they added lead to gas, more power and more health issues.
cetane is also important. All states have their own fuel standards.