I'm curious to hear you guys opinions on diesel treatment. Best kind, when you use, importance, etc,
Thanks!
Best diesel treatment is frequent use of the bus. Anything else is like an aspirin for a brain tumor.
LOL, yep
Best diesel treatment is none.
JC
Best diesel treatment is frequent use of the bus. Anything else is like an aspirin for a brain tumor.
My leading Chief in the Navy had a brain tumor Jon, no wait, that was hemroids, what was I thinking?
You crack me up!
I have been using the Lucas products in my old hoopie, use the fuel conditioner every other tank or so, and when I add oil, I use a little of the oil treatment. No noticeable change in the oil consumption (motor has less than 100K) but it does seem to help with the smoke out the tailpipe.
You are right, if you cannot get it out on the road, then take it out every now and then and run it around town, give it some exercise.
Good advice.
BCO
I add Diesel Service Plus to my fuel when I get it delivered. 20 years ago I had a Ford pickup that need injection pump rebuilt. Took it to an old guy who did a bunch of them. When I left it had a knock, he figured a leaky injector. I get a half mile down the road and turn around, sounded like a rod was going to come out of it. He says add a quart of this, pours it in and with in 30 seconds it was fine.(Maybe just luck but??) Claims he ran some engines on it straight to clean them up, they smoke and knock but it does them good. I have never had jelled fuel in any of my diesels.
About the only time you need Diesel treatment is if you're in sub freezing weather. Diesel Power Service is what I use. It emulsifies any water into small enough droplets that will not freeze together. The coldest I've been in is -20f. Good Luck, TomC
Tom C is right diesel power service. Had the name wrong.
BCO
Please educate me. What is a "Hoopie" ????
As noted, 100 mile preventive maintenance drive every month takes care of keeping fuel fresh.
Anti-gel and anti-freeze for those operating in arctic conditions.
Otherwise, save your money for hair growth serum?
Happy coaching!
buswarrior
It all depends on your diesel source! Up here we HAVE to run anti-gel in the winter time, which is 6-7 months of the year. We just had our bulk tank refilled up and we still had them use winter blend. Where I get my diesel for my work truck I know they put the proper amount in so I don't add any. We also have to use an eco-clean additive year round for our bulk tank as we have had a problem with algy (sp) clogging up the filters. Ever since they switched to this new and improved (ha ha) ULSD fuel it has been a nightmare on filters and bulk tanks. The first winter with ULSD it was a disaster! We were changing out filters once a week! We have some equipment we don't run but once a year and we don't have problems as long as our fuel had the proper additives. I respectively disagree that additives are worthless. I know first hand they do have their place. 8)
Eric
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Anything will freeze in WY I had a jug of DPS freeze in the back of the pickup before I could use it in Rock Springs as long as diesel has paraffin wax it is going to gel at some point the new B fuels are even worse. A person in GA should never need anything just fuel
Quote from: Red Rider on April 05, 2015, 12:45:10 PMPlease educate me. What is a "Hoopie" ????
It is what I refer to my bus as ... "An Old Hoopie" something that has aged considerably and is over thirty years old. Now, I could insert something really assine here, but because we are friends, I will just say ... An Old Bus.
Okay?
By the way, our bus turns thirty-tomorrow on the 6th, and you sir have one of the best old hoopies around.
Now it is time return to my main preoccupation in life, typewriter maint and pulling the wings off of small insects I collect on sticky notepad paper. It aint much but it beats blowing kisses to young upstarts and making new friends, in the bus community at large.
Which we all know I am so poorly equipped to do
BCO
P.S. I had to go back in here and edit the content, seems I had written some 5,000 words and did not put the P.S. in there somewhere, sorry.
I have never had a diesel vehicle filled at the pump in winter in Minnesota ever gel up on me, and I don't put anything in the fuel. I did have a brand new Ford diesel pickup gel up on me on a -9F day, but it still had the factory fill plus whatever fuel the dealer added. My guess is the factory used summer fuel.
I'm surprised my bus didn't gel up on me when I left for Florida on a zero degree Christmas day in 2010. The bus had been filled with fuel in late September and it was probably summer fuel then.
The new common rail engines like the series 60 won't hardly gel once they run for a couple of hrs they return hot fuel because of the high pressure
We filled in Florida once and then headed back home. We encountered -21F when we stopped for the night in WV, and in the morning it had dropped to -26F.
No additives, never gelled. Ran on high idle all night long. 8V92.
The older DD will return a lot of warm fuel back to the tank not near as hot as the newer engines back when the sold real gasoline all we ever used was a gal of unleaded gasoline in 50 gals of diesel no way would I do that now with today's gasoline
I think we covered this here a year or so ago, but I used Stanadyne when I was able to get it at wholesale prices. On my TDI it would improve the mileage by 10%, approx 4 mpg. I never used it in the bus, but it should improve power, mpg, etc by the same percentage. The problem is the price. When I was buying it wholesale it was cheap and it paid for itself, but the prices went up.
Quote from: OneLapper on April 06, 2015, 05:42:22 PMI think we covered this here a year or so ago, but I used Stanadyne when I was able to get it at wholesale prices. On my TDI it would improve the mileage by 10%, approx 4 mpg. I never used it in the bus, but it should improve power, mpg, etc by the same percentage. The problem is the price. When I was buying it wholesale it was cheap and it paid for itself, but the prices went up.
I have used (mostly) Power Service - grey bottle in the summer and white in the winter - in my 350K miles TDI every time I've filled it. I think it's good for mileage and keeps wear down. Those Bosch VE fuel injection pumps and injectors are pretty precision-made -- maybe extra lube in the fuel isn't needed on a big bus engine, especially a 20-30-40 year-old one. (The Bosch pumps/injectors depend on the fuel for lubrication; I'm pretty sure that N American pickups -- Powerstrokes, etc. -- lube at least parts of the injection pump with engine oil. That a very different ball game.)
Quote from: Oonrahnjay on April 07, 2015, 04:18:43 AM
I have used (mostly) Power Service - grey bottle in the summer and white in the winter - in my 350K miles TDI every time I've filled it. I think it's good for mileage and keeps wear down. Those Bosch VE fuel injection pumps and injectors are pretty precision-made -- maybe extra lube in the fuel isn't needed on a big bus engine, especially a 20-30-40 year-old one. (The Bosch pumps/injectors depend on the fuel for lubrication; I'm pretty sure that N American pickups -- Powerstrokes, etc. -- lube at least parts of the injection pump with engine oil. That a very different ball game.)
The Stanadyne is a cetane booster and adds lubricity that the ULS removed. They also make a winter formula.
I agree, I have no idea if it would really make much of a difference in, say, my 8V71. I think that thing will run on most anything! But my TDI (AHL engine) has 497k on it and it still runs great. I replaced the injectors at 385k with euro spec DLC tipped injectors, those alone bumped the mileage from an average of 45 to 49mpg. With a cetane booster I can get low 50s.
Quote from: OneLapper on April 07, 2015, 07:40:48 PMThe Stanadyne is a cetane booster and adds lubricity that the ULS removed. They also make a winter formula.
I agree, I have no idea if it would really make much of a difference in, say, my 8V71. I think that thing will run on most anything! But my TDI (AHL engine) has 497k on it and it still runs great. I replaced the injectors at 385k with euro spec DLC tipped injectors, those alone bumped the mileage from an average of 45 to 49mpg. With a cetane booster I can get low 50s.
Yeah, "Power Service" is the same (heavy on the cetane booster in the summer mix, anti-gel in the winter formula). It probably has the same ingredients as Stanadyne but -- in my limited experience with the Standadyne -- it seems to be a little lighter on the positive effects on mileage compared to the Stanadyne. The Power Service has done me really well on the lubrication but the Stanadyne just seems a little better. The only problem is that it's super rare around here and it's much more expensive than Power Service if I can find it.
I don't think I've ever run a tank in my TDI's without it (mine's an ALH, too) and I don't intend to. I wonder if it will benefit the Cummins going in my bus?