OK, I have already taken a bashing on one of the other boards for asking this, so if you don't have anything productive to add to the conversation, don't bother.
Now that said. I have some new to me tires and am planning to install them on the rims myself. Steel rims on my 4104, 11R22.5 tires. I have tire irons, I am buying one of those air tank bead seaters. I will get an inflator with a very long hose so that I am not too close to the tire during inflation. I will get the bead sealing juice. Is there anything else I need or need to think of? If you have actually done it, I would like some tips, if you are too scared to do it, or think that the high school dropout at your tire place is more talented than you and is some kind of tire god, no need to tell me that you know more than the rest of the world about round rubber things. If you have stock in Goodyear and are upset that I am not driving your stock up, no need to reply.
Sorry, but I am over being bashed about buying used tires and not having an OSHA certified union shop. I am trying to learn how to do something that many have done in the past and will be something that could be useful in the future.
I think thats awsome! I used to change my own tires on the road cuz I owned my own trucks. You will want a sledge or maul of some sort. otherwise get-r-done! I agree we are quickly being bred into politically correct panty waists. You can also slide tire under truck or bus to cage it if that is what is bothering you.......Dan
I have an 18lb sledge to break the bead from the old one.
Thanks Dan for providing real information.
I got replies on "other boards" not only about not having an OSHA approved cage, but that I was putting the entire Earth in danger by using take-offs as they are the root of all evil in the world today. I am not doing any Interstate driving at this point, the plan for the next year is just local campgrounds within about 30 miles of my house and most of which on local roads. If everything looks good the longest trip will be to Arcadia next year which is mostly back roads for me and not that far.
Anyway, is there anything else I need? Are there any tricks that I wouldn't be able to see watching the videos on YouTube?
They are not split rims are they? FWIW, way back in high school in about 1965, Auto Shop One was required ... and Coed. The chicks looked so cool in their red and white coveralls.
No ... wait. Part of the class was learning how to bash, pry and convince tires to come off of and onto one piece steel wheels. To pass, boys had to do several ... the girls just one.
Tubes and boots also. Also something new called a tubeless tire. I see no reason why you could not change out your own new-to-you tires if you have done it before and know how.
Just me. HB of CJ (old coot)
Edited by HB ... We did cheat in High School and only did car and light pickup truck tires and one piece wheels. No heavy truck wheels as back then I do not think single piece steel wheels yet existed. We most certainly did not do split rims.
Tubeless tires were just coming out. We changed out both types. Also had to watch the usual horrible accident movies. Some girls barfed. So did some boys. Yuck! We also used a widget called a ratchet type manual bead expander thread compressor. Helped.
Nope, not split rims, straight steel rims.
Wow Mung I didn't realize you caught the rath for that post.
The way I have done tires in the past was to first, after removing the tire from the vehicle, was to pull the schrader valve out of the stem. Then with the tire flat on the ground walk the bead with the heels of your shoes to break the beads. Hard soled shoes work much better. repeat this on the other side. If the beads do not break then you will have to work them off. There is a type of sledge that has a curved blade to help work the beads off, but a sledge near the bead should work. Once you have the beads broken loose, you need to work on the side closest to the drop center, the section of rim that is a smaller diameter to allow the tire to move around the rim. Press one side of the tire bead that you are working on into the drop center then using the tire tool, pry bar, lift the bead over the rim all the way around. Once you have the first bead worked off the rim lift the tire up on one side to get the bead closer to the rim edge. Using a wheel chock or block of wood helps with this. Then work the lower bead off the rim until the tire comes free.
Installing the replacement tire requires the tire lube or slick soap and a little water. Apply to the beads and the sides of the tire along the bead about 3 inches up. This will help the tire slide onto the rim. Now with the tire up next to the rim flat on the ground lay the tire on the rim at an angle and using your knee press down on the outer bead area to work the inner bead onto the rim. Use your tools to complete the install of the inner bead. Then cock the tire to one side so you can stand on the tire holding down the bead with your foot on one side. From that point where the bead is below the rim use your tool to work the tire over the rim. Make sure you have the bead of the tire down into the drop center to give the tire room to move over the rim lip.
Now take your air hose and hook it to the tire stem. Stand the tire up give it a shake to side to side and usually the beads will seat and you can put air into the tire. Once the tire beads seat you should see it and may hear a pop as they seat. Stop airing the tire allow it to deflate and then reinstall your valve. Now you can air the tire to the recommended pressure.
Hope this helps and make sure you get a schrader valve tool. NAPA or any parts store should have them. Looks like a small screwdriver hollow with a notch cut into the end. Oh and careful when taking the valve out they can shoot out and you will loose them.
Good luck,
Ken
Thanks!!! That is a very good description of what to do. I will add the schrader valve tool to the list of items I need.
If you have a sizeable compressor you can use what is called an tube deflating aspirator Schrader-Bridgeport P/N 5262 http://www.romppais.com/Catalog/Schrader-BridgeportCatAll.pdf (http://www.romppais.com/Catalog/Schrader-BridgeportCatAll.pdf) (pg32).
It helps you break the bead by creating a siphon effect thru the valve stem. Quite inexpensive but work on all kinds of sizes not just heavy tires. You need a lot of reserve air in your compressor though.
Just something that makes life a little easier.
With using 11r-22.5 on 22.5 x 8.25 rims, you probably won't have to use anything fancy to get them to bead especially since they are lightly used tires. If all fails, I've seen tire guys spray ether into the tire then throw a match onto the tire-rather explosive way to bead the tire.
Once the tires are on the bus, please run the proper tire inflation according to what your axle weights are-not the maximum on the side of the tire. You'll have much better ride and the best tire wear. Good Luck, TomC
Hey Vern, My favorite source for useful info is good old YOUTUBE, there will be a bunch of guys on there showing how they did it and no its not rocket science, it worked for me on a lot of DIY stuff. Nel
Truck tires on steel wheels will have virtually no risk of doing anything stupid on install. Breaking the bead on both sides is the hardest part, never done it, watched it being done. The hammer they use is different from a regular sledge hammer. Don't miss with that 18 pounder, which may be too heavy anyway, a miss can bend the rim. Lube the rim, and I have used a big strap around the tread of the tire to help get the bead to seat. You must have the valve out to seat the bead, it restricts air flow too much otherwise. Good luck, my old tire guy could do those things about as fast as his young guys could do car tires on the machines.
Brian
http://youtu.be/Q-3U-TRkJx8 (http://youtu.be/Q-3U-TRkJx8)
This is the best bead seating tool for the dollar. I use it on all my tires. Way cheaper, easy to store and works great.
http://www.gemplers.com/product/IN225/Radial-Truck-Tire-Bead-Seater-225-245-TC-70 (http://www.gemplers.com/product/IN225/Radial-Truck-Tire-Bead-Seater-225-245-TC-70)
I just set one side of the tire to the wheel and then use a bicycle tube on the other
That is a pretty cool way of doing it as well. Hmm, now I have to decide which way to go. The logic behind the tube type sealers is compelling and it is a bit cheaper and really cheap if I go with the bike tire.
Now for bead breaking, I do have a nice dead blow hammer. What about that with http://www.amazon.com/Motion-Pro-08-0439-Bead-Popper/dp/B001AWM0HS/ref=sr_1_14?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1421675185&sr=1-14&keywords=bead+breaker (http://www.amazon.com/Motion-Pro-08-0439-Bead-Popper/dp/B001AWM0HS/ref=sr_1_14?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1421675185&sr=1-14&keywords=bead+breaker)
Another question is, can anyone recommend a good inflator with an extended hose between the valve and gauge to the chuck end or should I just roll my own?
Roll your own. Something like that would be particular to each commercial install. No two would be ordered the same size.
If you are in the cold, there is no substitute for proper rubber air hose. All the inexpensive options go stiff and cause frustration... never again!
happy coaching!
buswarrior
I am in Florida so cold isn't an issue. I will get the parts and roll my own.
Just lock it on the stem and set the compressor to the desired inflated pressure
Mung you might consider changing out the stems, every time we get a slow leak on a tire it turns out to be a bad stem, the sealing rubber/oring drys and cracks with age. Think there only a few bucks.
Google/bing and you will probably find videos. I really haven't seen a cage used on one piece rims that I can recall, so doubt that I would worry about that.
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Yeah, probably a good idea to replace the stems as well.
Cliff, that is a good idea on the inflation. I can use my portable compressor and put it at a safe distance and run the air up.
I have/do do my own when I have to: I did not say you had to have cage-- What I did say my local guy does it all for 12$ each and if they leak it's on him. Also said that the time spent could be used by me on bus work.---On factor in my case is I have multiple back fusions. The smaller tires like you have will be allot less challenging. Enjoy the ride! Sorry the society we live in is so cautious to suggest any thing other than by the book. Will offer that most of my leaks have been from a dirty rim. A good wire brush will be your friend there. Busnut--Bob
Our local place wants $30 a tire with me bringing them the old tire/rim and the replacement.
Ken Tool 35926 Slide Hammer Impact Bead Breaker Truck Tire Spoon Iron Changer
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that's the right tool for the job right there i tell ya.....yup. a good one ... ;D
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The last time I wanted to switch out some tires, Coach.net did it for me. They changed the duals on one side that had crack marks. The guy that they sent to do the work said he could sell my old tires, so I gladly let him take them away. Have you joined Coach.net yet?
No, I have Good Sam. I didn't think they would do things like this in your yard though. Again, I really want to know how to do this, not only for the bus but just in general.
The Coach.net guy did it in my driveway. I am not sure, but it would seem to me that changing out bad tires before the blowout should be covered. You could check with Sam to see how good he really is.
I think I remember dry powder tire soap that was very slippery when mixed to directions. Also wondering if just plain dish soap would work also? Dunno. Been too long ago and far away. I wonder if kids today even know what tire irons look like? Dunno that either. HB of CJ (old coot)
I am going to buy the good goo. The parts stores still sell it.
A busnut may economize by using the dish soap/water in a spray bottle of choice to act as a lube for getting tires onto rims. Many pros do not spend money on tire lube.
Not to be confused with bead sealant, the nasty black goop used to be sure the bead seals tight to the rim.
Clean the bead on the rim carefully, sand, brush as necessary for a clean surface and then use the goop. There is no substitute here for spending good ca$h!
happy coaching!
buswarrior
If I was going to change many I would look into one of the forked tire tools that all the shops use now. I do not know the proper name but they really make a quick easy job of it. Also there is a tire guy near me that sometimes jacks up the wheel and changes the tire without removing the wheel.
You are not going to blow a tubeless tire off a drop center even if you try so why all the drama just do it, not brain surgery for pete sake you changing a tire
Here and other boards if I ask what time it is some one is going to tell you how to build a clock ???
I have some swan neck bead breakers, some smaller tire irons, and have http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000MIUJNI/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000MIUJNI/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) on the way.
I am not going to open a tire shop, just want to be able to change my tires when I need to both on the bus and other things.
Now for using a bike tube for a bead sealer. Just a standard 22" bike tire tube? put it over the rim and inflate it? Goop it up and air the bus tire up until it seals?
While the air powered bead seaters are really cool, doing it the old school way has some charm so I am intrigued by it.
Well Cliff, apparently according to some on here (and other places) I am the anti-Christ for daring to put take-offs on my bus and do it myself.
From what I can tell as soon as I get the tires on and take the bus for the first trip the world will come to an end and dogs and cats will live together. It is a big responsibility I have here, so I want to make sure that I don't send a rim to the moon before the world comes to an end.
While I don't agree with putting used tires on a bus except in an emergency to get you home to your local tire dealer, in the context of how you described you use the coach I can understand you know the risk and due to your use you made an informed decision.
Please don't try to stir the pot and put words into my posts that are not there.
I change my own tires and have done so for almost 25 years. It is not a big deal, and I do it because it pisses me off to think some kid with a GED is going to beat my polished aluminum wheels to death. So I also understand why you might want to change your own tires. I'm almost 72 and still changing them so it is not that impressive if an old fart can change them.
But I do look critically upon decisions in which bus owners ignore their safety and that of others and use old and or damaged tires to save a few bucks, and then post about cruising the interstates at posted speeds. They not only put themselves at risk, they risk damage to their coach, but their heavy tire casing when it separates can harm other motorists. Now if you do fall into that category, then I am critical of your decision.
No issues with your comments Jon. The tires I picked were all young and in good shape. Until I am comfortable with everything about the bus it is only going to be driven locally to our local camp sites. Right now what is on there are a mix of tires that are who knows how old they are and 2 used roadside replacements from the PO when he delivered the bus to me. So what I am putting on there can't be worse than what is already on there. I know that curb side steering tire is way out of round as it vibrates like a cheap motel bed when driving it.
If I go any real distance at any real speed, I will put new tires on.
Quote from: TomC on January 18, 2015, 10:03:15 PM
With using 11r-22.5 on 22.5 x 8.25 rims, you probably won't have to use anything fancy to get them to bead especially since they are lightly used tires. If all fails, I've seen tire guys spray ether into the tire then throw a match onto the tire-rather explosive way to bead the tire.
Good Luck, TomC
Wow! I've done dirt bike and quad tires that way, but a bus tire, that would make quite the boom. Bigger cojones than this guy LOL
I have seen videos of people doing it and for years have heard people talk about doing it. While it will work, there is no reason to do it when we have other options. Again the bike tube looks interesting and the bead blaster is just cool. Heck for $100, I heard they make a really cool potato gun too.
Using ether to set the bead is not that big of a deal. I have done it many times and have not blown anything up yet.
Quote from: Charles in SC on January 19, 2015, 07:02:51 PM
Using ether to set the bead is not that big of a deal. I have done it many times and have not blown anything up yet.
I owned a Deere dealership and we used ether to seat tires of all sizes. The Galaxy floatation turf tires were a bear to seat if they were cold, as well as R4 industrial tires, as well as 4" trailer tires.... actually, most of them were difficult. I purchased a Hunter tire machine that handled tires up to a 24" rim, worth every penny. Anyhow, a short spray of ether into the rim and a match tossed at it worked like a charm. We never had a damaged tire using ether.
To aid in seating a difficult bead we used a special grease. It was extremely thick and stringy, a right mess! You packed the grease between the tire and rim then inflate. This worked well in most cases, albeit gooey. It wasn't expensive.
Warm tires will help more than you think, btw.
The danger is mounting two or three piece rims (split rims), when the tire bead pops on it can break the bolts hold the rim halves together causing the entire wheel assemble to blow apart. NEVER exceed the recommend bead seating inflation pressure, take you're time. Sometimes it can take 15 minutes at the proper psi for the bead to pop on. Lubrication is key too.
Thanks. I think this is going to be an adventure, but one worth taking. I am not sure when I am going to actually get to doing it as I have a full weekend this weekend, maybe try one next weekend.
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good thing we don't have split rims anymore, although my trailer had them. We should all learn how to read the DOT date code on tires, week and year. lvmci...
I wouldn't even attempt to do a split rim.
As far as the date codes, it is pretty easy.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=11 (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=11)
What you guys calling a split wheel ? those things haven't been around since the 70's the lock ring wheels are still sold and serviced daily unlike the split wheel where you could only mount tube type bias tires on , you guys confuse me sometimes is that a get even or what ::)
This type is what I think most are talking about. Yes they are still in service today, but not something I would mess with.
http://www.ehow.com/list_7426633_dangers-split-rim-wheel_.html (http://www.ehow.com/list_7426633_dangers-split-rim-wheel_.html)
My former bus had lock ring, Dayton wheels. In theory, they are much easier to mount tires on than the one piece rims. The problem is that the ring can be launched when inflating and really hurt someone. I believe that law requires shops to air them up in a protective cage-- at least that is the case in California. I did have tire guys just do the whole thing on the ground on a service call, but they would tell me not to try it myself.
I had split rims on 14" wheels, on my Streamline 28' aluminum travel trailer, hard to find people to change a split rim wheel tire in LV. Clifford they where tubes too. lvmci...
I have a set of 4 split rim alco 22inch wheels for sell cheap. come and get them.
uncle ned
Now Ned is telling his age 22in Alcoa's with a steel lock ring and not a typo they were 22in not 22.5 I saw a set today on a old Mack
I had to go by Northern tool for some straw hats today (the only local place that had them and we needed them for a charity event this weekend) so while I was there, I picked up a tire inflator setup that had 1/4" after the control valve/pressure gauge assembly. An airline coupler setup and I have an inflator that I can put as much of my regular airline hose in as I want. So hopefully that will give me safe distance from the tires to make sure I am not too close if there is a zipper. I will also make sure to inspect the tires before I mount them.
Hopefully that is enough to make sure I am being safe.
Yep Cilfford us old people have seen a lot.
My 1953 model bus is just a kid compared to me
have a god day.
uncle ned
PS expecting freezing rain tonight here