just got the quote for the windows in my bus and I nearly fell out of my chair ;D but what are you going to do if you want it down write the first time! My question is I was wondering what size of radius you guys have used I see alot of great looking buses on this site but not sure what type of radius the windows are. When I got the quote I used a 3" radius but I was wondering if a smaller radius would look better? Thanks to everyone for there reply.
Hi 86 Orion,
The Motion Windows are absolutly worth it! The quality is there as well as the duel pane insulation capability.
The 3" radious is pretty much standard with busses. You wouldn't be wasting any money for sure.
Good Luck with your choice!
Nick-
That's pretty fun Nick that you now were I got the quote from did you have a similar experience? Thanks for your answer I though everyone was using a 3" radius but wanted to make sure before I forked out the the cash and then find out it's not what you thoughtit was.
86 Orion,
Yes, I had great dealings with them. I purchaced 6 and I wish I got 2 more at the time..
Check with the board when you are ready to buy and maybe you can find a local busnut who needs them also
and be able to share the shipping expence!
Nick-
You will save money with Motion Windows if you order more windows of the same size. They only have to set up the jigs once. Also, if you talk to Jeff Kemp he will usually give you a good deal. I talked to one of the others when Jeff was on vacation and the price I was quoted was way higher.
The windows could take 8 weeks to get to you if they are still backlogged like last summer. There were 1,400 windows ahead of me when I ordered last summer.
Brian Elfert
I had purchased mine from Penisula, are they now motion? I looked in the Bus mag to get correct spelling of penisula and I saw the same add that Penisula used but now call themselves Motion. As you can see I still cannot spell it correctly. Anyways I purchased 6 double pane windows 3" radius plus the dual pane slider drivers side and door window from the Penisula in 1999 for $3500. plus shipping. Have they gotten cheaper? Ray
I bought mine from Peninsula, they installed them too for an extra $350, and it was well worth it, they did a great job. I have had the window in now for 2/1/2 years and I am very very pleased with them. when I went back a year later with a torn screen, they fixed it for free. And Yes, they used a 3" radius where ever there was a rounded corner. Its standard.
Due to where I was putting my windows (inside the old bus window frame) I have a lot of square corners too.
I made a minor mistake, in that I kept the old transit windows in place up until a year and a half ago. What I should have done was to skin over the entire side then re-cut the windows. Then I could have used normal dual pane windows. But with the weird angles on the transit window frame, I could only use single pane windows that are screwed in from the outside (no vanity ring inside-used a rubber type gasket for the frame-works just fine). I had six large slider windows replaced (78x26), two solid windows replaced with single slider (22x26), and replaced the drivers sliding window. At Peninsula glass in Vancouver, Wa, that was $4,100.00-and worth every dime. So much more quiet inside, and the single pane with a light gray tint keeps out a surprising amount of heat and cold (course also have 2.25" of sprayed in foam). Peninsula measured my windows after Rickreall, Or get together summer of '05, then went back up in October to have them installed- in one 8hr shift. My only compaint is the cheapness of the sliding screens. But-can't have everything. Good Luck, TomC
Quote from: rayshound on December 26, 2006, 09:04:05 PM
I had purchased mine from Penisula, are they now motion? I looked in the Bus mag to get correct spelling of penisula and I saw the same add that Penisula used but now call themselves Motion. As you can see I still cannot spell it correctly. Anyways I purchased 6 double pane windows 3" radius plus the dual pane slider drivers side and door window from the Penisula in 1999 for $3500. plus shipping. Have they gotten cheaper? Ray
Peninsula Glass is the parent company and Motion Windows is the division that does RV and Marine windows now. They also have the One day Glass division that makes custom glass.
I haven't noticed any problems with the screens on my thermal pane windows. I really like how the glass unit slides inside the frame with no metal around the glass. It looks different when the window is open.
Brian Elfert
You can check at the Overstock Warehouses in Elkhart.
Rich
Thanks Brian, now I understand who motion is and they are easier for me to spell. Ray
So, I've got to ask the question: For those of whom have already changed their windows, I wonder who many went with Peninsula windows made to fit their old window frame, and how many skinned over completely and mounted new windows?
The consensus seems to be that the dual pane are well worth it, so we know we're going that route, and we know we want screens, but we had just assumed that we would have the windows made for our old frames on the 9. I have to wonder now if that is the best option for us. It looks like it would be easier to do than to skin the remaining sides, frame them out, etc, but I'm curious how everyone finished off the inside frame of their "built-to-fit Peninsulas" and I wonder if any one would say, "If I had to do over I would. . . . " and finish it up with "because I found that. . . . ". We didn't raise the roof on our bus, if that makes a difference.
After having TempBus, we're coming up with a few modifications to our thinking on how we want BigBus to be set up. We've spent more time in a bus now, we've traveled farther, we've learned that we don't fit in as many places, and we've noticed a change already in our needs and habits, so there is no doubt that using a bus before converting was an excellent (albiet, expensive) idea. As we get ready to move BigBus to the new shop and get back to the conversion work, we need to sit down and rethink a few things such as windows and the electrical/heating/hot water systems to make sure we plan for several different scenarios. Christy Hicks
Christy, Motion windows has "standard drop in" replacement windows that will fit your existing window opening in the MC-9 once you remove the old windows and frames. You will not need to do any other work to make the replacement windows fit.
Oh, I realize that those windows are drop ins, and I've gotten some pricing on them, but what I was really trying to ask, (just not doing a good job of it) ;) , was whether those who have converted busses using those drop-ins are glad they went that route, or if they found it harder to trim out on the inside and had later wished they had just skinned completely over and placed windows exactly where they wanted them, at whatever size they wanted, and could utilize the inside trim ring for easier inside finishing and more window options.
I'm curious of this, because it won't be that much longer before we'll be at the point of no return, and since I've changed my mind on a few things already, I want to avoid regrets. :D Christy
I used a combination of "original" size and custom size windows on my project. I found no difference in the ease of installation both on the exterior or interior in both cases. I think you should do what you think works best with your floor plan and then size the window openings to match what you are trying to accomplish.
Christy, I had raised the roof and relocated the windows so I moved or modified frames and cut new holes for the Penn. windows. Ray
I have a buddy that got his for and Eagle from storm tite out of Canada they cost less and matched the radius on his bus where the exsting windows came out.I have Peninsula in my bus and have to agree with Tom about the screens the older they get the worse they work Jeff has worked on mine several times
Hi Christy,
I beleve the larger the window, the better. When my passengers are sitting in the salon , the rave about the pannarmic view
they have while seated at the couches. Second, the more light you let in the larger the inside feels too.
Nick-
I measured the openings I had and added 8 inch to the height for roof raise. Took a trip throught Elkhart and bought windows that were sixed to fit and that I liked, plus a couple xtras just in case. I raised the roof and skinned bus, putting 2X4 framing around window opening to have something to fasten plywood/window treatments to. I have 2 emergency exit windows in the bedroom, and three large windows in living area. These are theremopane, tinted with screens for a grand total of $180. The downside to this is there were no tim rings with windows, you could have these made for a couple hundred dollars. I trimed them out with oak. I was at peninsula they had wanted about $3500 for about the same setup.
Quote from: Christy hicks on December 27, 2006, 01:02:57 PM
Oh, I realize that those windows are drop ins, and I've gotten some pricing on them, but what I was really trying to ask, (just not doing a good job of it) ;) , was whether those who have converted busses using those drop-ins are glad they went that route, or if they found it harder to trim out on the inside and had later wished they had just skinned completely over and placed windows exactly where they wanted them, at whatever size they wanted, and could utilize the inside trim ring for easier inside finishing and more window options.
I'm curious of this, because it won't be that much longer before we'll be at the point of no return, and since I've changed my mind on a few things already, I want to avoid regrets. :D Christy
Christy, my one piece of advice is to not place the windows too high from the floor. In my Eagle they were too high and neither my wife or myself could see ground outside close to the coach within 30 feet or so.
I suspect that with the window molding they were about 40 inches from the floor, but that is just a WAG. I recommend you sit in a chair in the coach and determine what a good height for the bottom of the window, including any molding would be. Believe me it got extremely irritating to have to stand up part way to see what was happening around you.
Richard
Christy - I see nobody has answered your base question about the inside trim, so here goes. I put the peninsula replacement windows in my 4106 and they were pretty much foolproof on installation. The window unit is held in place by an inner trim ring and screws that join the two. When ordering the windows they will ask for the walll thickness in order to provide the correct inner trim ring. In my opinion, this method makes for a clean install that needs no further trim out. However, this also means that you will not want to install them until the inner walls have been finished. I am also not certain that this information holds true with all coaches. I'd suggest you have a chat with one of their sales reps, who can give you all the detail you need.
Also, all of the peninsula replacement type side windows incorporate a slliding opener and screens. But they can not all be furnished in double-pane due to the shorter corner radius on some of them, such as those on my 4106.
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Quote from: luvrbus on December 27, 2006, 02:55:29 PM
I have a buddy that got his for and Eagle from storm tite out of Canada they cost less and matched the radius on his bus where the exsting windows came out.I have Peninsula in my bus and have to agree with Tom about the screens the older they get the worse they work Jeff has worked on mine several times
I talked with Storm-Tite and they wanted at least $100 per window more than Motion. I don't recall that Storm-Tite could do 4" radius windows, at least not in thermopane. Motion couldn't do 4" radius in thermopane either and I found lots of praise for the company so I want with Motion. The Storm-Tite were probably less expensive back when the Canadian exhcnage rate was more favoarable to Americans. I know Gumpy drove to the factory in Winnipeg to pick up his windows a few years back.
Brian elfert
QuoteChristy - I see nobody has answered your base question about the inside trim, so here goes. I put the peninsula replacement windows in my 4106 and they were pretty much foolproof on installation. The window unit is held in place by an inner trim ring and screws that join the two. When ordering the windows they will ask for the walll thickness in order to provide the correct inner trim ring. In my opinion, this method makes for a clean install that needs no further trim out. However, this also means that you will not want to install them until the inner walls have been finished. I am also not certain that this information holds true with all coaches. I'd suggest you have a chat with one of their sales reps, who can give you all the detail you need.
Also, all of the peninsula replacement type side windows incorporate a slliding opener and screens. But they can not all be furnished in double-pane due to the shorter corner radius on some of them, such as those on my 4106.hth
Ok, well, I'm not sure I understand, because we are talking about drop-ins for our MCI 9, BigBus, v.s. skinning over and installing custom windows with an inner trim ring. I was under the impression that the drop-ins from Peninsula fit exactly into our existing frames and did not "sandwich" the wall between an inner and outer ring like a regular RV window does. I also understood that when you went with drop-ins, you could leave them still push out if you wished, or caulk them shut, but that your actual hardware and mounting is pretty much the same as before. This is why I was wanting the people who have used the drop-ins to chime in and indicate whether they thought it was harder to trim out in the inside without having a trim or beauty ring on the inside or not.
I've installed regular RV windows, where you measure the wall and order the correct depth trim ring, so when you're done, all you see is metal trimming it out. Perhpas I'm wrong, but I understood that with the drop-ins, it would look the same as it does now pretty much, so I will have to decide how to finish it out. . .window boxes? Custom trim? etc. Also, I definitely want double pane, and recieved quotes from Peninsula for those in the drop-in style. I just need to make the decision if that's the way we are going BEFORE I get too far into the inside finish stuff. Christy Hicks