So, i dont know much about this stuff, so hoping someone else knows. If we sell our bus to someone in California, and we have bill of sale and title is signed over to them, can they drive the bus to California with our tags? Would we be responsible if anything happened. Just want to make sure we are doing this right.
No when the papers are signed it belongs to them just check your state laws they may require you to remove the plates
Ruthi,
In Georgia, the tag belongs to you, not the vehicle. When you sell a vehicle, you keep the tag, even if the buyer is in Georgia. If you're not going to use the tag on another vehicle, you need to visit your county tag office and cancel the registration. If you don't, the state will fine you once they are notified that you canceled your insurance policy.
Bob
Same here in AZ the plates belong to you not the vehicle in OK the plates stay with the vehicle he can buy a temp tag all he needs is proof of insurance at most DMV
What Clifford said...and only after the check clears. :)
Here in California when it gets here they will have them surrender the plates on the Bus to California DMV. They have 30 days to register it in California. When you sign it over you release all Liability to the new owner. Call your Insurance company and let them know you no longer own the vehicle and send them a copy of the signed doc.
Tell the new owner before they get on the road to alert their Insurance company so they will be covered temporally on their trip back.
Dave
The state of Georgia has no provision for buying a temporary tag when the transaction is a casual one between individuals. When you buy from a individual, you have 7 working days to transfer ownership. During that period, you can legally drive with no tag as long as you carry the paperwork with you.
The only entities allowed to issue temp tags in GA are licensed dealers.
Ruthi's bus buyer will need to register the bus in CA before he picks it up. There will be no GA plate to surrender in CA.
Bob
Buy a trip permit when he leaves GA then he will need to buy one to cross other states to reach Ca I don't think Ca is going to register or give plates without the bus being there and using a dealers tag you borrow can be a night mare stopping at all ports of entry but trip permits can be bought at all weigh stations in most states
Funny how things have changed in GA a state that years back never issued a title,here you can only buy a 72 hr or 30 day permit 1 time only
Thanks yall. Conflicting information. I will call the DMV this morning to see what they say. Like most stuff, sounds like it is over complicated.
When we first started fulltiming in Az. i was waiting on some money from a property sale before changing the title and plates from Texas to Az. I was able to get a 90 day trip permit for the bus for $10-$15. Don't know if they still have that or not. ;D
Ruthi,
Looks like CA sells a temporary operating permit. 30 days. That might be his best option if they won't let him register it since it's not in the state. Whatever you do, don't let him use your GA tag. You'll leave yourself open to potential liability if he is in an accident on his way home.
Bob
Trip permits and temporary are 2 different animals a trip permit is only good for the state it is sold in,I don't know about Ga law that is why I told her to check with state to many different laws in different states .
I do know if the plate belongs to vehicle you can drive it anywhere as long as you have the paper work showing you just purchased the vehicle it should be the buyers responsibility not Ruthi's for plates ? Bob how in the world do they get the get the Blue Bird out of GA I have seen those with Ga paper plates before on the road
Hi Ruthi, a one trip (or temporary) permit, will require the VIN, and a sales receipt, also with the vehicle identification number, year and model number, most important to get the vin EXACT, in Nevada and California, there will be a paper receipt to mount in the windshield or license plate frame. One digit or letter off in the vin will provide much grief. Good luck, lvmci...
Quote from: luvrbus on September 22, 2014, 07:06:32 AMTrip permits and temporary are 2 different animals a trip permit is only good for the state it is sold in ...
When I bought my bus, it had to be imported into a US port. I picked Baltimore (it's about as close as I could get and I had worked there). I couldn't figure out the transit part but someone said "Arizona has an on-line 3-day tag". I checked out the website - it didn't really say whether it was valid other places or not but it implied that it was good within AZ, for a trip buying in AZ to another state, or buying in another state and moving the vehicle to AZ - but it wasn't "really" clear!
You pay your money and print out a paper plate and a registration card (or you did then - we're talking 2006; dunno if it's the same now). It had a number and the valid dates at the bottom of the paper plate. I marked over the number digits and the dates with a black magic marker, like a dealer would do. I also made sure I had full, valid NC insurance and had proof of it. I also had a copy of the bill of sale and the British "title" (they don't call it that but it's about the same).
I put the plate in the rear window and drove it home. I figured that if I were challenged, I say that the vehicle was delivered to Arizona and I was driving it home from there - "look, we're within the valid dates". A couple of H Patrolmen passed me on the trip, they didn't seem to notice. If I'd been stopped, I was hoping that the handful of paper would be enough but I didn't have to test that.
No problems. I don't know if it was really
LEGAL, but it seemed to work OK. It may be a chance someone else wouldn't want to take - and I understand that entirely.
Who can use ServiceArizona to obtain a Restricted Use 3-Day Permit?
Any customer with the following valid purpose:
Emissions Testing
Vehicle Inspection
Application for Title and/or Registration
Vehicle repair to comply with Emissions or Inspection
Restricted Use 3-Day Permits will be issued over the internet (electronically) only to vehicles that have a manufacturers 17 digit identification number (VIN) or to vehicles that already have an existing record on the Motor Vehicle Division database.
The Motor Vehicle Division (MVD) will deny an electronic Restricted Use 3-Day Permit when the vehicle has no identification number or if MVD is unable to verify that the vehicle identification number (VIN) is a valid VIN. If the permit request is denied, you must visit a MVD field office or Authorized Third Party office to obtain the Restricted Use 3-Day Permit.
What do I need to have in order to obtain a Restricted Use 3-Day Permit?
Vehicle Information (vehicle identification number, make & year).
Compliance with mandatory vehicle insurance requirements for the State of Arizona.
A valid Visa, MasterCard, American Express, or Discover credit/debit/check card. Gift cards are not accepted for the Restricted Use 3-Day Permit service.
A web browser that supports Secure Socket Layer (SSL) such as Netscape or Internet Explorer.
A printer.
8 ½ x 11-inch white paper.
The permit is only valid when printed 'black and white'.
NOTE: No more than 3 Restricted Use 3-Day Permits will be issued to any vehicle in a 12 month period.
What if the vehicle does not have a Vehicle Identification Number (VIN)?
If your vehicle does not have a vehicle identification number (VIN) you must visit a Motor Vehicle Division (MVD) field office or Authorized Third Party office to obtain the Restricted Use 3-Day Permit.
Bringing a bus from Idaho with a trip permit I bought one Idaho,Utah and Az to get the thing home it's no big deal the ports of entry sell on the spot for 10 bucks back then most trip permits have a 72 hr limit
A trip permit in Az has the hiways you can travel the starting point and destination points, they have a 1 day permit also for a dollar they just changed from 1 to 3 permit issued per year for a long time it was a one time deal only
Talked with dmv and they told me as long as I get the bill of sale notarized, we would not be responsible for the bus any longer, even if the plates are still on it. I dont have to turn in plates to dmv. I will cancel registration and cancel insurance. He already has temp insurance on it. Thanks everyone.
That was easy enough
Quote from: eagle19952 on September 22, 2014, 07:58:20 AM
Who can use ServiceArizona to obtain a Restricted Use 3-Day Permit?
Any customer with the following valid purpose:
Emissions Testing
Vehicle Inspection
Application for Title and/or Registration
Vehicle repair to comply with Emissions or Inspection ...
Sounds like they made changes to the program since I used it. If I remember correctly, transporting a just-bought, but not registered vehicle was a valid use when I did it.
The law changes in AZ regularly as they hire more people from CA ::)
Quote from: luvrbus on September 22, 2014, 11:55:18 AMThe law changes in AZ regularly as they hire more people from CA ::)
So, they're Californicating AZ, too????
Ruthi,
Hang on to that tag. If you ever buy another vehicle you can use it and save the $20 tag fee.
Clifford, if Bluebird is using paper tags, they must either be registered as a dealer or they're working with a local dealer to issue them.
Bob
Bob wouldn't a dealer need a title nothing new comes with title only the point of origin papers
Quote from: luvrbus on September 22, 2014, 02:09:12 PMBob wouldn't a dealer need a title nothing new comes with title only the point of origin papers
Clifford, the states love to do things differently one from the other, but for many of them, if the first transfer to a private owner is through a dealer, the dealer endorses the Certificate of Origin to the first customer (usually called "First customer for purposes other than resale) and the CO goes to the state for the first issue of title in the first customer's name (with liens, etc recorded). But not everywhere - don't know about AZ.
Ruthi, I agree with Bob hang on to your plate just to be sure an CYOA!
It's been several yrs ago, but I drove several buses cross country for Bob Kadletz the former owner of BCM.
He'd buy the buses on the East coast and fedex me a CA temp permit to fill out and put in windshields. Seller would give me a bill of sale to give to Mike when I got to CA.
Drove buses from NJ, FL, & TX all the way to CA that way. Got stopped several times and once they checked paper work I was sent on my way! (except on TX HP that wrote me up for lights out and leaking hub seal on the drives. Told me to go to the nearest place of repair and get it fixed! Nearest place of repair turned out to be Wesminster, CA @ the rear of BCM's office!)
Also dad and I have driven buses home to TN from ID, FL, & CA with no plate at all. Just had a title & bill of sale to show IF we got stopped!(never got bothered)
;D BK ;D
If the state doesn't want the plates back leave them on, it will help the buyer get to where he needs to go, doing otherwise will just make his first trip in his new bus more difficult . There is NO liability to you to help him out.
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here's a thought....the new owner can mail them back... ;)
In Illinois it is illegal to leave the plates with the vehicle. If they are not with the correct vehicle and owner it is fictitious plates. I got a ticket for helping the new owner of a car purchased from me.
Rick
But not true in other states.
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