Has anybody had any experience with the wireless back up cameras? We are thinking of a system with three cameras.
Don and Cary
Will be following this as well. I have wanted a wireless backup camera for some time but always hesitated not knowing how well it would work for a 40 foot bus.
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i got cheapo wireless camera off ebay , works well but gets fuzzy when someone walks down hall in center of bus but clears right up , 40 ft mci 102 c
dont know how to post a link but here's the number ,camera And 7" monitor item # 300918365592
Quote from: gene burge on August 19, 2014, 03:37:58 PM
dont know how to post a link but here's the number ,camera And 7" monitor item # 300918365592
http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-LCD-Rear-View-Monitor-Wireless-Night-Vision-Car-Reverse-Video-Backup-Camera-/300918365592 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-LCD-Rear-View-Monitor-Wireless-Night-Vision-Car-Reverse-Video-Backup-Camera-/300918365592)
Package Content:
1 x 7" Car Monitor
1 x Holder
1 x Frame
1 x Remote Controller
1 x Universal User Manual
1 x Car Rear View Camera
1 x 2.4G Transmitter
1 x 2.4G Receiver
I just bought a wired one with 7 inch monitor 2cameras and 120 feet of cable for $154.00. It s really good so far. Here is the wireless version link same company.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA5D41RX4087&cm_re=rv_backup_cameras-_-9SIA5D41RX4087-_-Product (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA5D41RX4087&cm_re=rv_backup_cameras-_-9SIA5D41RX4087-_-Product)
Installed the VOYAGER from CW for a customer on a 45 foot 07 Eagle, kinda pricey but works real well with reversible image. Pull 12V and a ground for the camera in rear, instructions are to pull power from the clearance lights. Monitor has a cigarette lighter plug and can be mounted to windshield or dash FWIW ;)
Think I have a Vison Tech and it's on the blink. Quit about 1 month ago. Wired already front to back maybe can splice and put a current model in. This thing was installed back in 1992 when they converted this puppy.
Hi All, got 2 different wireless versions, neither seemed to make it thru the stainless steel, same camera with coax, crystal clear. I put one of the wireless cams as my curb side cam, still breaks up, but not very often and it has a clear line of sight, 7 ft away, lvmci...
I used a wireless. I had a coax running to the front from the back and cut it into the line to the antenna. Put the antenna up front and it works great. Could have as easily installed a wired unit but I had the wireless unit and it was intermittent as was mentioned by lvmci.
HTH
Melbo
Some people have commented on signal loss or degradation on some wireless systems when over 28 to 30 feet. Have no experience on this myself. I did recently purchase a system from Rear View Safety from Amazon for use on my pickup to haul a trailer. It worked quite well and appears to be well made, especially the camera. Color and excellent night vision. Study the reviews on Amazon for this item, as many purchased for motorhomes. It also has view selector for two additional cameras, maybe for small side ones or whatever. I had mine mounted on upper rear truck cap. I also bought a cheap license plate camera from the Bay and it worked well with the same monitor; just bought an adapter pigtail and cable from Rear View safety to hook up to monitor as the license unit had a pretty cheap RCA cable with it. Hooking truck up to trailer was perfect the first time I tried it using the license plate camera. I intend to transfer the system to the coach to replace an old Sony b&w system and also install side cameras. Image can be reversed and distance gage lines can be turned on or off. Again, read several of the reviews; one through five stars to see if it might suit.
I am thinking about a four camera system and will be watching this thread also. I want two side-by-side cameras in the back one looking straight down at the hitch and for backing up, and the other looking out at the toad and beyond more like a rear view mirror. I am thinking that the other two would be used as side cameras to assist the mirrors and hopefully with enough view to see the side bays. I have noticed camera prices have declined a lot over the past few years and would quickly pay for itself quickly as bay doors and bumpers are pricy. Does anyone have this type of setup?
The school here uses the Tadi Brothers wireless cameras they are pricey at 800 bucks but they sure work good night or day
One of mine looks down on the hitch and toad and I am the other just over the back of the truck camper shell and shots about 50 feet behind clear 20 feet at night with night vision.
I bought a Rear View Safety Inc RVS-7706123WQ system. Works great so far.
Just bought and installed this one myself, easy to install.
eBay item number:271555532185
Just bought and installed this one myself, easy to install.
eBay item number:271555532185(https://busconversionmagazine.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftapatalk.imageshack.com%2Fv2%2F14%2F08%2F20%2Ffc6a63eaab89f44fd7068ac74ab43476.jpg&hash=53f13e3da48bf62aa41988a5e2475e96be486a1d)
Quote from: buddydawg on August 20, 2014, 03:30:49 AMI bought a Rear View Safety Inc RVS-7706123WQ system. Works great so far.
Is that a wireless system, Buddy? Will it accommodate more than one camera? Got a link to specs and prices?
Wireless. You can use up to 4 cameras with it.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1014776-REG/rear_view_safety_inc_rvs_7706123wq_digital_quad_wireless.html (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1014776-REG/rear_view_safety_inc_rvs_7706123wq_digital_quad_wireless.html)
VERY interested and following this thread myself. As for me, I would NOT use a wireless model - I have much experience with EMI (Electromagnetic Interference) and can tell you I would not want to trust this technology with such an investment (and peoples lives) on the line. Im sure there are folks who have used it and it works for them - I'm not disputing that - Just my .02
Would anyone commenting on what they know to be good (or bad) cameras PLEASE be as specific as possible about make AND model and, if you can, where you found the best deal (price and service etc.)
Thanks to all who have input their experience
Hi Bob, if you have a Frys or Best Buy, you can buy components that are high quality and less expensive, as Clifford said Tadi Bros has good stuff, not cheap, I got my rear view camera thru them, when it developed a problem they replaced it, not with the same quality camera, but they did replace it for free. Lvmci...
My only experience with a back up camera is the one that is on the tail gate of my wife's pick up. It only works when it is clean, which is seldom. It is useful for backing into a parking spot, but I find while you are looking at the monitor, you are not looking at your side mirrors and risk side swiping something, so you have to stop while you look at the monitor. It is pretty good for lining up a trailer hitch onto the ball.
For the bus, no thanks. There is enough to worry about while driving, without having to look at yet another distraction like a camera monitor. I can see the edges of the trailer fenders in my mirrors. As for backing, I know what I am backing into before I do it. If not, I stop and get out to look. I'd be a liar if I said I've never had a backing accident, but a camera would not have helped. Paying more attention and slowing down and looking more would have prevented it.
Funny how back up cameras are a big thing for RVs, but not on commercial vehicles. Or at least I haven't noticed any on commercial buses and trucks. I will have to ask some of my friends still driving buses and trucks. Interesting subject.
JC
Tom C, do you sell a lot of trucks with back up cameras?
JC
A lot of trucks have security cameras but never heard them called backup cameras,funny how much the technology on cameras has improved over the years and the drop in prices, in 1999 I gave 2500 bucks for the Sony in Matts bus and it is B/W I even paid extra for sound like you could hear someone talking at the rear of the bus with a 8V92 running ::) that wasn't a smart move.The back up gauge on the screen was well worth the money it would line you up perfect all you had to do was hook up and go once I started to trust it The system was a 3 camera system I don't think it was the money the side cameras were always a problem I finally removed those and still have them somewhere buried in the shop
I would use the mirrors for looking on the sides I have a buddy that has the radar system on his Prevost bus he trusted the system totally till he squeezed a Honda into a match box size in Phoenix
Quote from: luvrbus on August 20, 2014, 08:01:42 AM... I have a buddy that has the radar system on his Prevost bus he trusted the system totally till he squeezed a Honda into a match box size in Phoenix
Clifford, you can paint a picture with words! Thanks for the reminder about common sense.
Quote from: lostagain on August 20, 2014, 07:39:32 AM
My only experience with a back up camera is the one that is on the tail gate of my wife's pick up. It only works when it is clean, which is seldom. It is useful for backing into a parking spot, but I find while you are looking at the monitor, you are not looking at your side mirrors and risk side swiping something, so you have to stop while you look at the monitor. It is pretty good for lining up a trailer hitch onto the ball.
For the bus, no thanks. There is enough to worry about while driving, without having to look at yet another distraction like a camera monitor. I can see the edges of the trailer fenders in my mirrors. As for backing, I know what I am backing into before I do it. If not, I stop and get out to look. I'd be a liar if I said I've never had a backing accident, but a camera would not have helped. Paying more attention and slowing down and looking more would have prevented it.
Funny how back up cameras are a big thing for RVs, but not on commercial vehicles. Or at least I haven't noticed any on commercial buses and trucks. I will have to ask some of my friends still driving buses and trucks. Interesting subject.
JC
I use mine for a rearview mirror, it gives a nice view of what is behind me on the highway.
I have a Voyager that i got for about $800 at CW about 9 years ago. 7 in. monitor, color with tint, contrast, brightness, and sound. Also has night vision which i never did hook up as i don't usually drive at nite.....was surprised at how well you could see at dusk with it . It is cable not wireless, only one camera but i can hook in another if i had one. I use my mirrors all of the time but the camera will let me know if anyone is in my blind spot behind me. More than once before i got it i started to make a lane change and found out that somebody was back there that i didn't know about and they had jumped out in the lane next to me to pass me.....almost took out a Honda going thru Phoenix on a quiet Sunday one time......traffic was sparse and i had been watching in my mirrors for quite awhile ahead of time as i knew i was going to have to change lanes. No idea of how long he had been back there tailgating the jeep.
Quote from: lostagain on August 20, 2014, 07:39:32 AM
My only experience with a back up camera is the one that is on the tail gate of my wife's pick up. It only works when it is clean, which is seldom. It is useful for backing into a parking spot, but I find while you are looking at the monitor, you are not looking at your side mirrors and risk side swiping something, so you have to stop while you look at the monitor. It is pretty good for lining up a trailer hitch onto the ball.
For the bus, no thanks. There is enough to worry about while driving, without having to look at yet another distraction like a camera monitor. I can see the edges of the trailer fenders in my mirrors. As for backing, I know what I am backing into before I do it. If not, I stop and get out to look. I'd be a liar if I said I've never had a backing accident, but a camera would not have helped. Paying more attention and slowing down and looking more would have prevented it.
Funny how back up cameras are a big thing for RVs, but not on commercial vehicles. Or at least I haven't noticed any on commercial buses and trucks. I will have to ask some of my friends still driving buses and trucks. Interesting subject.
JC
Those of us with expensive toads (land cruiser) would like to keep an eye on them to be sure we haven't blown a tire or any other random issue cropping up back there. I have no use for them backing up (mirrors, prewalk around the coach,) but I do want the peace of mind that my toad isn't.....well....trying to hop away.
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Hi All, when towing the jeep, it usually stays in the rear view monitor without a lot of movement, but when one of the arms broke on the tow bar, it started bobbing and weaving in the monitor, immediately grabbing my attention, I probably wouldn't have noticed until later, which might have been too late, lvmci...
We use the backup camera to keep an eye on the toad also. Would like to add side cameras. Cary is the backup camera. The one on the bus can't see tree branches.
Don and Cary
I would like to have one. For me it is a matter of watching children that move quickly and my bus is meant to attract them so... No excuses on not taking EVERY measure I can to keep from hitting anything - Including having an assistant watch the blind spots and such...
I have been looking at the Roscoe systems - they seem to be good quality and price is reasonable but not cheap - more cam inputs equals more cost.
Sometimes I think that I would like to get a backup camera. I realize they have their limitations, but I can't see what's wrong with having more information instead of less. The wiring can be a problem. Do the wired cameras get their power through the connection to the monitor, or do they need their own separate power source? I have also thought of doing it running the wire along the roof. There are numerous places to secure it without having to put any new holes in it.
The one I recommended gets its power from the monitor's power connection to your 12volt source. It comes to the camera through the multi pin cable from the monitor. The wireless ones I saw still needed a 12 volt source to them even though the signal was wireless.
Does the wireless units have the same antennae connection as a wireless modem? Has anyone ever tried an antennae extender? Or even route a cable to a roof top/suction cup window mount antennae?
question for the experts --
do these wireless cameras broadcast on the same unregulated frequencies as wi-fi, bluetooth (headsets & music devices), cordless phones & microwave ovens ?
Hi Lin, get the power locally for your camera, use coax with good shielding, a 1/4" or bigger, the multi core cable has a lot of signal loss, I dont think you will be happy with the signal, most of the time those cables are wired and dedicated to a specific brand and cannot be used later, on a different brand or model, coax is universal. the wireless also get the power locally for the monitor and camera, I ran the cable under the exterior moulding that on 5As have SS screws and has a channel under it, big enough for coax. I mounted the camera above the radiator air box, there is a ridge there big enough for a camera to be placed securely, get a wide angle lens, with infrared night vision, it does help at night, usually cameras come with RCA connectors, wrap them in electric tape and duct tape to protect from moisture and road grime. Just a reminder, if you get a 4X3 monitor, get a 4X3 camera and conversely 16X9 cam/monitor, I hope this helps, tom, lvmci...
This seems to be a good setup for the money.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Esky-7-TFT-Monitor-Waterproof-Car-Rear-View-Night-Vision-Backup-2-Camera-System-/321108345674?pt=US_Rear_View_Monitors_Cams_Kits&hash=item4ac38c834a (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Esky-7-TFT-Monitor-Waterproof-Car-Rear-View-Night-Vision-Backup-2-Camera-System-/321108345674?pt=US_Rear_View_Monitors_Cams_Kits&hash=item4ac38c834a)
Technical Details
The TFT SCREEN has the switches to change between normal to mirrored image of the 2 cameras.
Camera selection is done via remote controller or by pressing button on the monitor.
Rear view camera is turned on automatically when vehicle is put on reverse gear.
Aerospace-type cinch connectors are used for all connections.
Lightweight 16:9 wide-angle view 7" TFT LCD color monitor with remote controller.
Features:
- Professionally designed system with industrial leading components/parts.
- CCD camera with 2.1mm wideangle lens. This offers a super wide field of view angle at 120°. Most other manufacturers use 3.6mm or 2.8mm lens, the view angle is much narrower. You can see more areas by using 2.1mm lens
- Builtin 18 IR LEDs for over 20ft nightvision view.
- Heavyduty 20M (66ft) video + power cable with a waterproof aerospacetype connector.
- Waterproof camera body with a sunvisor and metal bracket. Easy to mount on any flat surface of the vehicle
- Rubber seat for video cable to go through inside the cabinet without scratching the surface.
- 12V 24V DC power input range to fit most of the medium to large vehicles on the road
- Allinone design to get rid of the bulky converter power box, very easy to setup.
- The TFT SCREEN has the switches to change between normal to mirrored image of the 2 cameras.
- Camera selection is done via remote controller or by pressing button on the monitor.
- Rear view camera is turned on automatically when vehicle is put on reverse gear.
- The most advanced part is that the 2 cameras can switch on in turn automatically depending on the status of your vehicle, like opening the door.
- Aerospacetype cinch connectors are used for all connections. This is more reliable and simple to install.
- Lightweight 16:9 wideangle view 7" TFT LCD color monitor with remote controller. Special heatventilation design for longer life of use.
7" LCD Monitor Specifications:
- Color TFT LCD
- 7" Brand New Panel
- 800 x 480 pixels
- Screen Ration 16:9
- Aerospacetype AV inputs
- Power voltage range at DC12V ~ 24V
- Power Consumption : Max 6W
- Allinone power cable
- Display reverse function
- Operating Temp :14° F ~ 158° F
Package List:
2 X Water-proof CCD cameras with IR LEDs
1 X digital 7" TFT LCD color monitor
1 X Mount/stand
2 X 66ft extension cable for cameras
1 X Remote control
1 X Power connection wire(video connectors are built-in this wire)
1 X Screw kit for installation
1 X User manual
http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/voyager-digital-wireless-backup-system/55960 (http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/voyager-digital-wireless-backup-system/55960)
I just put in this system and it's very nice. I really wanted to put in a wireless system but knew there would be issues at some point with a 40 ft. coach. I have a tech background. Running the wires was a pain in the a** but glad I did it. I have one camera in the back which is great when pulling something. 2 other cameras on each side of the bus to better see the lanes. You could totally get by with just the one camera in the back and use the mirrors for the sides.
http://www.tadibrothers.com/Catalog/Splitscreensystems/9-Ultimate-CCD-RV-Trailer-Backup-Camera-System-with-Premium-Side-Cameras (http://www.tadibrothers.com/Catalog/Splitscreensystems/9-Ultimate-CCD-RV-Trailer-Backup-Camera-System-with-Premium-Side-Cameras)
Hi All, I don't understand why you wouldn't want your rear facing cameras on all the time, you don't only look out your back and side windows when you put the vehicle in reverse, you reference the back and sides all the time.lvmci...
If the bus is moving the camera is on. :) Besides being able to keep an eye on the toad and the traffic behind it, i also find it useful when backing the bus into a spot.
I hooked mine up to 24 volt so that it was on the main system when running. That way it was not pulling from the 12 volt system and using battery energy.