Hi everyone: I have a couple of RV Furnace's that I was planing on using in my conversion. One of them I was going to install under a bunk that I am working on now, so its time for the install. Looking it over and wondering if I really want to use it or not! Figured I would ask what others are using before I commit and cut holes in my bus.
May not be the best on the market but by far the cheapest and works if you have propane they are about maintenance free and the hydro systems are not,good luck you will get plenty of answers on what is the best
Mike -
We are all electric. We have a webasto heater but the webasto and water pumps chew through batteries and we end up having to run the generator after about 6 hours. It makes more sense for us to just run the generator and use portable heaters if we are boondocking. We typically use an oil filled heater and a ceramic fan heater. The two of those keep the bus pretty toasty. Remember that we don't ever stay our winters in cold weather places. So we only use the heaters for about a month or so. For us it didn't make sense to install pricey heaters. If we constantly weathered somewhere cold it would make more sense. Some day Ill have the webasto installed but even then there are only a few times a year we would actually use it.
-Sean
We have only two propane powered appliances. One is the 3 burner stove with oven and the other is the 35,000btu Atwood furnace. I have the up dated version with larger fan that runs slower and quieter. I have 4 ducted outlets and it heats the bus rather quickly. While the coldest I've been in is around 25 degrees, the furnace has always kept up nicely. Plus they are relatively cheap-around $700.00. In the 18 years I had the first furnace in, I did virtually nothing to it. The only reason I replaced it is because I left the thermostat on for two weeks and the fan motor didn't like that. I could have just replaced the fan motor, but wanted the quieter updated version. I like it so much, I'm going to use the Suburban version since it only has a 3" x 6" vent on the outside in my truck conversion.
I also have heat strips on each of my three A/C's-they work, but at the cost of lots of cold air circulating before heating up. Hence, haven't used them much. Good Luck, TomC
Suburban 35000 BTU with 4 outlets, works well but most of the time a small ceramic with a fan keeps up nicely. But we don't do cold areas. ;D
Ours has small baseboard heaters with blower motors, and heat strips in the 3 roof A/C's. Thinking about propane, but none on board now.Out 4104 had one 35k suburban furnace that worked well. I have two Suburbans now that I'm considering installing in our 4905, but haven't done so. The price of propane now hasn't sped up a decision, nor loss of space for them and tank/s.
The units I have are, 25 thousand and 30 thousand BTU Suburbans. I was planing on putting one under the bunk and the other under the sofa. The bunk furnace would feed duct work running up the curb side and the one under the sofa would feed the duct work running up the drivers side. Are two units really necessary? At this time we are not planning on spending much time in the bus at sub zero temperatures, just looking to be comfortable down into the teens. We had a 28 foot travel trailer with one furnace and it was adequate for said temperatures, but it would drain our one battery really fast. If I put one furnace under the bunk it really sucks up storage space and I would have to vent out the wall on the curb side, something I am really reluctant to do. Has any one installed these type of furnace in the bays, and how did you work out the venting and duct work? Thanks for all the reply's so far.
What is the price of propane in the Penn area it is around 2 bucks a gal here in AZ 2.29 in the larger areas like Phoenix
5.818 in Vermont delivered.
You can still get propane for under $2.50/gal-just have to look. When we are hooked up, we have a single electric space heater that keeps the interior warm enough. We were just in Lake Tahoe with nights in the 40's, rain, hail, etc. and the electric fan worked well. If it gets colder, we have a second electric heater. Propane heating is mainly when dry camping or like to have quick warm up. Good Luck, TomC
We have three cruise air heat pumps that heat much better than we expected but not enough for really cold weather. Two toe kick heaters that are really fast at heating us up in the morning. But for some reason, you just can't beat the oil heaters if you want constant heat all day. All those fans drive you crazy after awhile. The oil heater is wonderfully silent and use less electricity than the other options.
Don and Cary
QuoteWe have three cruise air heat pumps that heat much better than we expected but not enough for really cold weather. Two toe kick heaters that are really fast at heating us up in the morning. But for some reason, you just can't beat the oil heaters if you want constant heat all day. All those fans drive you crazy after awhile. The oil heater is wonderfully silent and use less electricity than the other options.
What do you mean by an "oil heater" ?
Oil filled electric heater so convection distribution of the heat and no fan. They work well if you want a constant steady heat, not well if you need to warm up a space fast. I use a Suburban 35K propane unit that I installed in the basement (rear luggage bay). I made up a cold air return duct so it doesn't pull in air from the bay, only from the house, and I have three ducted heat outlets. The space in the bay was wasted anyway, it's beside my fresh water tank. I like it because it heats up the house fast as heck even if it's below freezing, but it uses a lot of propane and battery. Plus it was free.
Here's prices Clifford:
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pri_wfr_a_EPLLPA_PRS_dpgal_w.htm (http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pri_wfr_a_EPLLPA_PRS_dpgal_w.htm)
HD $1.47 a lb. ;D
That would get your attention @ over 6 bucks a gal Dave ::)it will vary here up to 4+ bucks at the rv parks and the exchange rip off deals but I am cheap I deal with one guy
Interesting tidbit I just found while seeing how much propane is in a bbq tank.:
http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/als-morning-meeting/96618/how-much-propane-is-really-in-your-20-pound-grill-tank/ (http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/als-morning-meeting/96618/how-much-propane-is-really-in-your-20-pound-grill-tank/)
Also, how many pounds does a gallon of propane weigh?:
http://www.ask.com/question/how-much-does-one-gallon-of-propane-weigh (http://www.ask.com/question/how-much-does-one-gallon-of-propane-weigh)
Wow according to that chart I'm getting soaked! But I imagine delivery is part of the cost. That was for my range at the house, they do give you a discount if it is used for heat whoo hoo!!
QuoteOil filled electric heater so convection distribution of the heat and no fan. They work well if you want a constant steady heat, not well if you need to warm up a space fast. I use a Suburban 35K propane unit that I installed in the basement (rear luggage bay). I made up a cold air return duct so it doesn't pull in air from the bay, only from the house, and I have three ducted heat outlets. The space in the bay was wasted anyway, it's beside my fresh water tank. I like it because it heats up the house fast as heck even if it's below freezing, but it uses a lot of propane and battery. Plus it was free.
Thanks bevans6: I really like the idea of installing it, or them in the bay. I would be interested to see how you worked out your ducting and venting. Did you just vent out the back wall by the rear axle? I can envision doing that and using some sort of flexible ducting to tap into the bus's duct work.
Webasto, but I would never run it on batteries. I have an Iota 75a power supply that I run it with when we're parked.
My store bought coach has the Aqua Hot Diesel Fired hot water baseboard system that uses 4 adjustable thermostats, front, bath, bedroom and basement. Basement has a fan that moves air through out the basement. Also can heat the 500 hp Cummins and the Cummins heats the Aqua Hot while driving, not needing the burner.
Not the cheapest to own, but reasonable considering how sweet it is. I have it serviced annually by a factory service rep. Runs about $250.00 if normal parts used, had it completely rebuilt back to new 2 yrs ago, about $1,200.00. Included new motor, pump, bearings in gearbox, etc, etc.
After the LP Gas hot air units that worked fine but little noisey, the Aqua Hot is a happy unit with .33 gph fuel burn when burner is going. They claim about 3 gal per day max.
Hell, who cares, I am comfy.
Dave M
Dave: It sounds like a real sweet system, do you have to use any anti freeze in it? the hot water base board system we have in our house was freezing up on us in a few spots so we had to have anti freeze put in the lines, works good, but is very corrosive on the brass fittings.
Diesel fired systems (like AquaHot) sound good on paper and do run nicely when they work. BUT-they require lots of maintenance and can break down.
How much maintenance did I do for the 18 years my first propane furnace lasted-ZERO. Then I replaced the whole furnace for less than $700.00. And since I've replaced the furnace 3 years ago-how much maintenance have I again done on the furnace-ZERO. Good Luck, TomC
Mike,
The system uses the same ELC antifreeze as the Cummins ISM500 and the 12 kw with the Kubota 4 cylinder diesel.
No denying the Aqua Hot is not cheap, but is the best for me. Do not have an issue with reliability, just keep up with the PM needs.
I like the warm comfy thing, cost is not the big consideration.
Dave M
Here's an option most bus converters never consider, but it's worked on boats for generations:
http://www.marinestove.com/codinfo.htm (http://www.marinestove.com/codinfo.htm)
I realize that wood heat is not for everyone, but it works for us. We full time in a 40' Gillig H2000LF. Our stove is custom built steel, but we used a cast iron Little Cod for inspiration. About the same size fire box. Ours is more air tight. More on our installation can be found at this thread: http://www.nomadicista.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2541&sid=47aa98a0c7f390eafe9ee59c7c15dc95 (http://www.nomadicista.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2541&sid=47aa98a0c7f390eafe9ee59c7c15dc95)
Propane works for us in some areas. Our Rheem tankless water heater is wonderful, and we would not consider cooking any way other than gas. Our Maytag Neptune dryer is propane, of course, but we seldom use it.
Propane does not work for us as a heat source. Forced air furnace fans would suck too much of our off-grid electric power, and radiant heaters are like giving the interior a constant water spray. Seriously considered going radiant floor heat with diesel or propane fired boiler, but energy use and maintenance issues held us back.
Even though we love our tiny wood stove, this winter we're also planning to use the ThermoKing Tripac auxiliary power unit I'm currently refurbishing. Not only available for supplemental heat in the back 1/3 of the bus (bed/bath/laundry), it will also keep the battery bank charged while it's running. By the time warm weather comes around, maybe I'll have the mechanical AC feature of the APU installed in our bed room. All from a tiny, two-cylinder Yanmar rated at 13.7 HP.
Our primary heat, however, will continue to be a wood stove.
Jim
P.S. I'm amused when people say they have an "all electric" coach. Almost without exception that means: "I have an enormous, diesel-fired generator in the belly of the beast." Nothing wrong with that approach if it works for you, but it's far from being "all electric."
There is no free lunch for any type heat if you want to be comfy,the Aqua Hot is a good system if you have 10 grand to spend ,we have this friend with one he sits around with a coat on in the winter in his bus because he doesn't like buying the 5 or 6 gals of fuel a day to stay comfortable using the Aqua Hot. His wife hates the system because she thinks it is the systems fault why spend that kinda of money for a system and defeat the purpose ? 2 things with me I am going to be warm in the winter and cool in the summer
Quote from: luvrbus on September 02, 2014, 10:59:57 AM
2 things with me I am going to be warm in the winter and cool in the summer
me too.... ;D
Heater installation safety concerns if any? Is your selected propane space heater ducted? What I mean; is there a way to install the thing so it is not directly underneath a bunk? Kinda thinking having a very hot heat source directly under somebody sleeping.
Sometimes practical engineering hits the wall of reality. My old Crown Supercoach had only a few safe places to mount hot potentially dangerous stuff and none of them were ideal. But...the old girl only got to the final design stage. HB of CJ (old coot)
Also I was consumed with the notion of having the Bus Conversion balance out nearly exactly front to back and side to side. This also entered into stuffs location. Anyhow many factors are always butting heads trying to do it correctly....or safely.