Hi I herd a roomer that if you use the cruise control the ddec can add up to 30 hp if needed. (ddec 2 6v 92 ta) ????? thanks dave
Not on a 92 series 60 series yes
thanks you just broke my bubble ! dave
I have that feature on my Series 60 and it is a pain. At the time you need the power the most you can't use it. You probably aren't going to have cruise engaged on a steep grade. I inquired about turning it off and the cost was so steep I decided I could live with it.
I was on cruise up a hill , manually down shifted from 4 th to 3 rd and I think it went into retard mode as speed slowed down , held ? I put my foot in to it to pick up more speed , so now I no longer use cruise on large hills . I manually down shift early and it works good. thanks dave
Brian-I think you should look into other places to have the cruise/power feature turned off. The main reason for this is to encourage steering wheel guiders (commonly called "truck drivers") to stay in cruise control. We don't need that. I know that to turn off that feature, the repair shop should only be charging you one hour of labor. Good Luck, TomC
Can a shop that isn't a Detroit shop turn off the Cruise power feature? I'm pretty sure the cost was WAY more than an hour of labor at the local Detroit dealer.
Quote from: belfert on September 17, 2012, 09:03:36 AMCan a shop that isn't a Detroit shop turn off the Cruise power feature? I'm pretty sure the cost was WAY more than an hour of labor at the local Detroit dealer.
DD needs a VAG-Com ... you know what I mean!
I was contacted via email by someone who said that a Detroit dealer is likely to install the latest program while removing the Cruise Power feature. That may be why I remember being quoted a lot of money to have the feature turned off. The same person said he would turn it off for me if I send him the ECM.
Someone help me out here. Why can't you simply turn off the cruise at the dash/panel?
Quote from: garhawk on September 17, 2012, 01:13:03 PMSomeone help me out here. Why can't you simply turn off the cruise at the dash/panel?
Gary, this ain't a fight I got any dog in, but I think that people are saying that when they engage cruise, the software gives them 30 more horsepower; when they really would love to have the power (acceleration into an Interstate, climbing a big hill), they have to turn the cruise off and that knocks the 30 horsepower away.
They *can* turn off the cruise, the problem is is that reduces the power.
A common HP rating on a 12.7 is something like 430 / 470. 430 HP when not using the cruise control and 470 HP when the cruise control is engaged. As TomC said it's meant to encourage drivers to use the cruise control which is supposed to result in better fuel economy. I don't think the dealers have a simple way of turning this feature off. I think it would take a new program downloaded from the Detroit server into their existing ECM. Or someone with outlaw programming software.
Gary, yours has been set to the max available HP, cruise or no cruise.
Ken
I have looked at a couple of Series 60 on my ProLink and they had a HP table that had something like the 430/470 and then a plain 470. If your ECM has any HP options in the rating table, you can select them with a ProLink. Might see if you can find someone to hook up to yours and see what you have.
Jim
Quote from: rv_safetyman on September 17, 2012, 02:27:27 PM
I have looked at a couple of Series 60 on my ProLink and they had a HP table that had something like the 430/470 and then a plain 470. If your ECM has any HP options in the rating table, you can select them with a ProLink. Might see if you can find someone to hook up to yours and see what you have.
Jim
I have also seen a few that have that option.
Ken
Watch the outlaw programs a friend of mine just got hit by DD big time 10,000 grand and the truck owner got 5 grand,seems like the FreightLiner dealer in Needles CA did not like anyone cutting his 125.00 rate,they both have a court date the amounts were what DD is asking I was told by my friend
good luck
luvrbus what does that mean. Are these newer engines leased from DD or what? If they are engines under warranty I can see that.
I've been curious about re-programing, chipping, newer factory engines, Ford, Chevy, etc. If it is a warranty engine I understand, but if it belongs to me I'll do what ever I'm willing to pay for. If it melts down its my problem. Not arguing, just curious. John M.
So Detroit went after the guy and not the EPA?? Or maybe it was both.
Ken
Four agencies came for him Ken including the state of Ca (CARB) I think he is in deep trouble
John they could care less but they spent millions protecting the software by copy write and patent laws etc you get caught it better be a licensed version of the software
Me I am not going to offer help to anyone I don't know and hope he doesn't ever get pissed at me
I have a full blown licensed version for DD that Cole gave me then I have a few for other engines should we say are a little iffy (copies)
Some engines like the new Cummins require the serial number of the engine,software serial number and version of the software if you don't have it you will not get past the first screen btdt
Me I don't think they would waste the time and money chasing the DDEC1,11 or 111 there's not that many of those left on the highways JMO and that maybe wrong lol
good luck
I sure like my mechanically controlled engines!
OK folks, I still haven't caught up on this conversation - even after Ooronjay's explanation. Here's how I understand the situation.
a) the software gives you more horsepower when you turn on the cruise control.
b) the software takes it away when you disengage the cruise control.
The conversation has taken the stance that when you really need the extra horsepower (climbing a hill, entering a freeway ramp, passing another vehicle, etc.) the cruise control should be turned off, consequently losing the prior added horsepower.
It seems to me that it is the driver's decision to turn off the cruise control and give up the extra horsepower. Why not leave the cruise control turned on when climbing a hill or passing another vehicle?
I know, you can't fix stupid but, gimme a try, maybe I'll come around.
Gary,
I think I know why you're so interested in this thread. Tony is going be back soon with his H 345 VIP Prevost. You just want make sure you have the facts straight before you tell him to always leave the Cruise Control off for the most power. (That's the rumor that's going around)
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No need to worry Ken. I heard that Tony now has two pair of those rubber shoes. One for outside and a white pair for inside!!LOL As for Gary, I pitty his poor old model 20 going to Branson. He will probably blow it up before he will let Tong pass him!!! :D
Like my Mama always said, "Birds of a feather flock together."
I got new tires, fresh oil, high test diesel and, rain X. Bring on them Canadian wonders!
Gary-the way the Cruise/Power works is that the lower horsepower is on the gas pedal and the higher horsepower is on cruise control. You can't get the higher horsepower on cruise control on the gas pedal. Yes you can turn on the cruise control to accelerate up the on ramp, but the acceleration rate built into the computer is typically at a lot lower rate then on pedal. And do you think the extra 40hp will really make that much difference anyway? The torque stays the same and torque is what gets you up the hills. Once again-find someone with a Detroit reader that can turn off the Cruise/Power and set the engine to a constant 470hp. Good Luck, TomC