Last month I got this crazy notion in my head and I can't shake it so I am asking for your help here. When production stopped in 1960 there were a total of 5065 PD 4104's made. How many are still around? That is my quest. I have posted this same question on 2 other bus related sites (trying to cover as many people in the know as I can).
Along the way, I will be sharing this information with all interested parties. On my spreadsheets I have the buses broken down in 3 catagories: still a bus, conversion and scrapped. One of my spreadsheets they are listed by VIN number. The other one is tracking by information reported to me without VIN numbers.
Thanks to information I received by last Saturday my counts are at:
Still a bus: 4
Conversions: 75
Scrapped: 31
Saw a bus in a backyard......: 28
Thanks
I received my copy of The Singing News yesterday and on the cover is a beautiful restored 4104. The Singing News is the magazine for Southern Gospel music. Check out www.singingnews.com (http://www.singingnews.com) for the cover photo.
Tom Hamrick
Make sure you count the two currently listed on eBay! ;)
http://motors.shop.ebay.com/Buses-/6728/i.html?_trkparms=65%253A7%257C39%253A1&rt=nc&_dmpt=Buses&_sc=1&_sop=7&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245.l1513&_pgn=1 (http://motors.shop.ebay.com/Buses-/6728/i.html?_trkparms=65%253A7%257C39%253A1&rt=nc&_dmpt=Buses&_sc=1&_sop=7&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245.l1513&_pgn=1)
I have got 2747..its a conversion.. :) Syracuse NY/ Houston TX
Mine is convered. I know of two that are yard art. One in grove ok convered 4 sale.
Check out this one
General Motors PD-4104 - 1956 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbSLcGo96_E&feature=related#)
You Tube bus is beautiful, but how many hours to bring it up to and maintain that shine. I once spent a day washing, waxing and polishing a 40 foot Crown for a bus Roadeo and didn't even get my lugnut covers that shinny. Wow, hmmm wonder what the VIN number of that one is......... :D
This is not a crazy notion at all ! I keep track of PD4501 Scenicruisers much the same way. (have been for 15+ years) You need to speak to Fred Rayman of Oklahoma City, OK. He has been keeping track of most GM buses for 30-40 years. I have PD4104-3462 (restored Tamiami Trailways seated coach) Send me a PM and I'll put you in touch with Fred. Thanks for your efforts. Take care.
Tom McNally
Peoria, IL.
PD4501-771
PD4501-1001
PD4104-3462
Here's one that just popped up on Craigslist, located west of Atlanta. Claims to have the elusive 8 speed hydrashift transmission:
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/wat/rvs/2922061808.html (http://atlanta.craigslist.org/wat/rvs/2922061808.html)
Bob
PD4104-1659
Converted...but all conversion removed and want to make it back to a seated bus.
It has never had the windows skinned over.
They are all good glass all tinted the same color and the rear glass is in new rubber
Never had a bathroom and as I recall it was a Carolina Coach new
Mechanically NEW
6-71T
Straight old gal
Open Bays no conversion stuff in them currently
Anyone have a lead on seats and overhead racks?
Now for the cool part, I just got back from delivering it to Santa Fe, NM studios for use in an A&E pilot. What a pleasure to drive, I forget...
Get to go to Las Vegas next week and drive for filming. They are bringing in 'hero buses' to haul passengers on and if mine was seated it could have been the seated bus
Curious to see what they are bringing in for the hero buses
Oh by the way my avatar is the bus with the engine getting ready to go back in...one of many times in and out
Good luck with the list
Larry
Quote from: tomhamrick on March 27, 2012, 05:07:32 AM
I received my copy of The Singing News yesterday and on the cover is a beautiful restored 4104. The Singing News is the magazine for Southern Gospel music. Check out www.singingnews.com (http://www.singingnews.com) for the cover photo.
Tom Hamrick
Hey! That's my old bus! PD4104-4355
I sold her in 2001 to the Cherryholmes bluegrass group and they sold her maybe five years ago. It looks like she has been sold again to the Woodsmen Quartet. Glad to see she is still singing the Gospel.
I have #4138 - converted.
I have gotten these numbers from 5 Bus BBS sites and numerous personal/group emails.
List Update as of 04/14/2012 by VIN numbers:
Converted totals 95:
1953 - 13 same
1954 - 6 same
1955 - 3 same
1956 - 7
1957 - 24 seems to be the popular year so far, I got one!
1958 - 13
1959 - 13 same
1960 - 16
Bus mentioned on the web (misc years) unknown status - 34
Scrapped buses - 32
Still a bus - 6
Total accounted for so far - 167
4898 - left to find, we are out of the 4900's
next update 2 weeks
Jon
Unit number 3753 was converted in Oregon and is for sale in Albuquerque
HTH
Melbo
Thanks Melbo I will update my list.
PD-4104-5025 Motorhome conversion Abington,IL
PD-4104-2106 Badger Coaches Historical Coach Madison,WI this 4104 was bought new by Badger 03/1957.
later sold out of their fleet and bought back in 2002.
jlv
Thanks, 2 more for the list.
Jon
1958 PD4104-3298 Converted.
1960 PD4104-4541 Converted.
Both coaches in Dearing, GA. The '58 has been turned out to pasture and is set up as a bunk house for the Grandkids. The '60 is very active, we spend too much time on the road. ;D ;D
Don,t know vin #s but Hersey bus museum has in brand new condition 04 and a band up the road a few miles has a descent conversion Rich.
Friends of mine have a 1956, #1635. Converted, they are from the Seattle area, fulltiming, and right now are in the DC area.
PD4104-2345 checking in from Jasper, TX. In the middle of it's second conversion
4104-4606.. Former Kerrville bus donated to city of San Antonio for bookmobile, bought out of a hayfied in Yorktown converted to my house..6L71ta ddec.....rdw
Gg04
Thanks. What city and state?
1959 4104-4222 Converted. Alive & kicking!
Wayne
WEC4104,
Thank you.
Jon
Current breakdown for converted buses (114), a couple of VINs came in this week:
1953 - 15
1954 - 07
1955 - 04
1956 - 08
1957 - 23
1958 - 18
1959 - 16
1960 - 23
Known scrapped - 10
Still a bus - 7
Noted on the wed (unknown status) - 29
Anyone know the status of these buses:?
1953-0174
1953-0398
1953-0765
1955-1399
1955-1441
1955-1542
1956-1831
1957-2014
1957-2618
1957-2883
1957-3047
1958-3206
1958-3293
1958-3490
1958-3583
1958-3620
1958-3673
1959-3993
1959-4016
1959-4058
1959-4069
1959-4168
1959-4255
1959-4256
1959-4264
1960-4503
1960-4721
1960-4947
Any and all leads helpful.
Jon
We have 4104-3632 converted up here in Thunder Bay Ontario Canada . 671 4speed previous owner is in Texas.We have owned her for 12 years Raymond and Jayne Smith
Raymond,
Many thanks.
Jon
Update for 4/29/12: ;D
Converted verified VIN: 119
Noted on web by VIN: 35
Still buses by VIN: 7
Scrapped: 19
For a total of 180, up 11 buses since last time.
Only 4885 to go.
Jon
The one I owned 1960 5049 is in Tuscon, AZ. PM or call me 615 210 4963 me if you need to get in touch with the current owner.
Ken
May 6 update
Converted coaches by VIN: 125
Buses noted on web by VIN: 34
Known scrapped buses; 20
Still a bus: 7
Some people did not want to share their
VIN for several different years- 6
Jon
The Transportation museum in St. Louis had a restored seated 04. Not sure of S/N.
Thanks for the lead. I will send them an email and hit them up for
the s/n.
Jon
May 10, 2012 Update:
Conversions by VIN: 130
Noted on the web: 34
Scrapped: 22 - 2 busses hit the recycler rolls this week.
Still a bus: 7
Conversions no VIN offered: 6
Total of 199 buses accounted for.
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Here's a gutted out 4103 that runs very well that showed up in the shop yesterday!
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I found the serial number of one I parted out a few years back. Scrapped for sure. PD4104-2944 was located in Petersburg, IL. (near Springfield)
Tom McNally
Tom thanks,
The known scrapped buses are just as important as the ones still with us. Another number off the list.
Jon
4104-252 conversion kendallville, indiana
Thanks.
252 added to the list.
Siberyd
May 17, 2012 Update
Conversions by VIN: 131
Noted on web: 44
Scrapped: 23
Still a bus: 8
Conversions no VIN offered: 6
Total busses accounted for so far: 206, only 4,859 to find.
Found about a few more buses this week, just waiting for VIN confirmation.
Siberyd
Busy week. Will post update on weekend.
Greetings all, May 28, 2012 update
Thanks to Len Silva 32 new VINs were added to the list with a total of 67 more this week.
The converted coach list is as follows:
1953-27
1954-12
1955-06
1956-16
1957-31
1958-26
1959-21
1960-31
unknown or no vin offered -33
Still a bus -08
Noted on the web-39 (Lens list clarified a few of these)
Scrapped -23
This weeks total is-273
Leaving 4792 to find
Siberyd
I appreciate the credit but all I did was send you a list that someone else created around 2000 that I had buried in my computer.
Perhaps someone else will remember who that was.
Len
Next update Sunday or Monday.
PD4104-1274, modest conversion is running and parked in Ash Flat, AR because I bought a 4107 with AT and Sheppard PS.
It is for sale but needs a front main seal to be seriously used on the road.
I just spotted this one in Alaska down on the Kenai. It has Arizona plates and belongs to Don & Marlene. I didn't get the chance to talk to them, but it is headed down to my neck of the woods, maybe I'll get the chance later.
It is very dirty and looks like he just came up the Alcan highway.
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From the looks of the engine door he has installed a larger engine and probably an AT.
Greetings all, June 4, 2012 update ;D
The converted coach list is as follows:
1953-31
1954-12
1955-06
1956-17
1957-32
1958-27
1959-23
1960-33
unknown or no vin offered -33
Still a bus -09
Noted on the web-35
Scrapped -23
This weeks total is-281
Leaving 4784 to find
Siberyd
Congrats.....you have already found more 04s than I have found 4501s in 15 years. Only know of about 230 Scenicruisers in various conditions (around 20 are still seated coaches in various states of repair). I guess that is to be expected since they made 6 times as many 04s !
Keep up the good work. Do you plan to upload your info to the net somewhere eventually? I am slowly doing an electronic version of mine at: [url][www.tomsgarageonline.com/url]
Take care
Tom
Tom,
Thanks for the compliment. Fortunately for me, people are seeing my postings around the web at atleast 2 a week
and sending their VINs.
A bus related website owner has offered my project a permanent home, for anyone to access.
PM me and I will tell you where.
Jon
There are 4 PD 4104's out there that are still operable seated coaches. Owners/locations are as follows:
Museum of St. Louis painted with a Continental Trailways livery.
Cantos Collection, Fontana, Ca - Painted for Greyhound Lines #7658 (movie bus?).
Bus stored in Williams, Ca - painted as Greyhound Lines #7103, put into storage after being filmed for a movie in 2007.
Brazil - Turismo Santa Rita #22 {may be you-tube video shinny bus}.
If anyone knows how to get VIN's for these buses, would love the help. Emails to
St. Louis and Cantos Collections (found an email address online under movie buses) have resulted in crickets.
Thanks in advance to anyone that can help.
Siberyd
Greetings all, June 11, 2012 update
No New VIN's to report. I am waiting on about 12 people to respond to me with their bus's information. Plus there are 3 4104's recently listed for sale on graigs list and am waiting for responses from them too. List is still standing at last weeks info posted below:
The converted coach list is as follows:
1953-31
1954-12
1955-06
1956-17
1957-32
1958-27
1959-23
1960-33
unknown or no vin offered -33
Still a bus -09
Noted on the web-35
Scrapped -23
This weeks total is-281
Leaving 4784 to find
Siberyd
Greetings all, June 18, 2012 update
4 new VIN's in this past week. As always I am waiting on people to respond to me with their bus's information (gotta find the VIN#, bus is stored......). Plus there are about 6 PD 4104's recently listed for sale on craigs list and am waiting for responses from them too.
The converted coach list is as follows:
1953-31
1954-12
1955-07
1956-17
1957-34
1958-27
1959-23
1960-33
unknown or no vin offered -33
Still a bus -10 the Bus from the Cantos Collection in Fontana added.
Noted on the web-35
Scrapped -23
This weeks total is-285
Leaving 4780 to find
Siberyd
Greetings all, July 3, 2012 update
2 new VIN's in this week. As always I am waiting on people to respond to me with their bus's information (gotta find the VIN#, bus is stored......).
The converted coach list is as follows:
1953-31
1954-12
1955-07
1956-17
1957-35
1958-27
1959-24
1960-33
unknown or no vin offered -33
Still a bus -10
Noted on the web-35
Scrapped -23
This weeks total is-287
Leaving 4778 to find
Siberyd
Happy July 2012, July 11, 2012 update
3 new VIN's in this week. As always I am waiting on people to respond to me with their bus's information (gotta find the VIN#, bus is stored......).
The converted coach list is as follows:
1953-31
1954-13
1955-07
1956-17
1957-35
1958-27
1959-25
1960-33
unknown or no vin offered -33
Still a bus -10
Noted on the web-36
Scrapped -23
This weeks total is-290
Leaving 4775 to find
Siberyd
Is this one you already have on your list? It was 6:00am when I drove by it, so I didn't ask. There are two of them at the same campground here on the Homer Spit Ak. If I can find the time, I'll as the owners of both of them.
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Seayfam,
Pretty bus, don't know if I got it. Think you could go and visit for me and get:
VIN
Name
Home city and state.
Siberyd
You bet, I'll go by there tomorrow after work and see if they are still there. It is a very nice looking bus from all sides. The other 4104 at the campground is the one I posted a picture of a month ago. I'll see if he is still there also. They were both there this morning, but it is raining really hard and only 49f out, they may just pack up and bail. I sure feel like it.
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Wow,
Talk about cool and pleasent weather. Today was 107f, and our local arsonist only started 2 wildfires in the forest. They stopped the fires quick. We have a great set of forestry folk.
Tomorrow should be the same with dry lightning to boot.
Siberyd
Southern CA Mountains
Quote from: siberyd on July 11, 2012, 04:19:38 PM
Seayfam,
Pretty bus, don't know if I got it. Think you could go and visit for me and get:
VIN
Name
Home city and state.
Siberyd
I just stopped by there tonight after work and the both of them were gone. Sorry! I wish I could have talked to them for you. I didn't even get the chance to look at the plates on them for you. The first bus I posted was from Arizona, but I didn't get a plate number. The green bus I posted yesterday had a extension on the rear engine doors almost identical to the Arizona bus.
Maybe someone here knows who owns them?
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No worries, we will eventually catch up with them. Thanks for trying
Siberyd
This is interesting that there appears to be half as many (so far discovered) 4104s in the "still a bus catagory" as 4501 Scenicruisers. (I know of about 20 seated 4501s in various conditions) Yet they produced 6 times as many 04s, and they manufactured 04s four years later than the 4501. I guess I'm glad I bought my seated 04 when I had the chance. Makes one wonder about other seated models that remain. 4106, 4107 etc. All dinosaurs really I guess.
Tom
how many of the 4104 came with a hydershift which was a 8 speed trans
leroy
Very few.
Hydrashift is a two speed clutch, the trans is the same.
I think it amounted to about six speeds since some of them overlapped or maybe it wasn't used on all gears - don't hold me to this though!
Re: Hydrashifts,
Hard Headed Ken probably knows how many speeds, etc... he had one of the Hydrashifts in his '04 back in the day. I wish I could find one, though I've heard that there may have been some problems because of the "wet" clutch... slippage starting out on steep inclines maybe?
I would also be interested in one of those 2-speed rears that one gentleman created. Wish I could do something like that! Not nearly brilliant enough. >:(
Kevin
Siberyd,
Here is another one for you to ad to the list.
1953 4104
VIN: C68057PD4104234
Location, Bremen Alabama
This one is for sale on Busnut in case you need any further information.
Cheers
Mike
Quote from: gus on July 13, 2012, 04:11:08 PM
Very few.
Hydrashift is a two speed clutch, the trans is the same.
I think it amounted to about six speeds since some of them overlapped or maybe it wasn't used on all gears - don't hold me to this though!
yes they had 8 speeds,had three cluth plates. would like to find one good condition
will try to find out they run between serviced, trailways
leroy
Lowtide,
Thanks for the VIN, the more the merrier.
Leroy,
Been asking folks if they have a hydrashift trans, no positive results yet, but I keep trying.
Us busnuts were an odd lot, many folks give just enough info and then seem to forget my email address.
Got a new VIN number from a couple in Central CA. Its a converted 1957, a popular year for conversions. Anyways she has it up for sale. PM me is you know someone that wants one or.......
Siberyd
July 25 update.
We are up 7 VINs from the last update. Will have years on my next update. A husky just ate my phoneline wherd it enters the house. Typing this on my Android.
Quote from: Seayfam on July 11, 2012, 01:05:20 PM
Is this one you already have on your list? It was 6:00am when I drove by it, so I didn't ask. There are two of them at the same campground here on the Homer Spit Ak. If I can find the time, I'll as the owners of both of them.
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Siberyd
I just ran into this bus again today, there was nobody in or around it. I did happen to get the plates and a number on the rear for you. The number on the rear of the bus is 112416 and it has California plates with a personalized plate# 58 GMC
Hope this helps!
Gary
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Gary,
Many thanks for your detective work. I will follow up the numbers and plate off the bus and see what info comes back to me.
Siberyd
I raise my glass to toast the best looking bus ever built - the GM PD-4104.
Ours (Tubby) is a 1959, number 4139 (anyone else notice in the tool compartment, that they used a letter "I" instead of a 1?). Fully converted,,, well it's useable if not finished.
It was delivered new to Trailways in Oklahoma City.
" They just don't make them like that anymore!"
John Z,
Thanks for your bus info, I will add your bus to thr master
list.
Siberyd
Add another one from Kansas, fully converted, 1953, #105
Armstrong,
Thank you very much. I will add this coach to the master list.
Siberyd
You can add 4104-2346 to the list. It was the first bus I converted. It was sold in 2008 and last year I received a letter from the state of Michigan that it had been abandoned. So the last place it was located was the tow co. in Clarkston Mi. I talked to them on the phone and they said they would sell it for $4-$5000.00 so I don't know where it's at now.
I also scrapped one out but I'm not positive of the vin # but I think it was 4104-4326 but can't be sure wthout the history of it.
Also on the topic of 8-speed transmissions I have a picture of one that was one of the nicest customized 4104's I've ever seen at a rally in Grand Rapids Mi in 2006. Here's a couple of links to the trans and the rally photos with the 4104 and a turbo 6-71.
http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww347/Michigander_Bob/Rallys/bb_4104_q.jpg (http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww347/Michigander_Bob/Rallys/bb_4104_q.jpg)
http://s734.photobucket.com/albums/ww347/Michigander_Bob/Rallys/ (http://s734.photobucket.com/albums/ww347/Michigander_Bob/Rallys/)
Bob,
Thanks for the info. I will add both to the masterlist.
Great pics, looks like years of work to make an engine and tranny look that good.
I used to do fleet inspections in my younger years, I have never seen an engine cleaner than those pics. Even new from the factory.
Siberyd
After looking at pics of that bus mine looks like it should be in a salvage yard!!!! MAN that is one sweet bus!
Finally got some new VIN's in. Will post at end of week.
Siberyd
Bob,
Thanks for sharing pics of that fabulous '04 with Hydrashift and 6-71 T! What a beautiful rig. I wouldn't even want to drive anything so detailed!! It is a work of art.
Kevin
No I did not give up on the quest. Got some duplicate numbers. Waiting for responses.
Siberyd
Still working on this project. Have run into some very rude folks when I got verbally attacked (by email).
Licking wounds. Hope to post some after Christmas.
Siberyd
Yup, some miserable folks around who only know how to hate.
Keep up the good fight!
happy coaching!
buswarrior
Thanks Buswarrior,
Siberyd
Found a 4104 in Overland Mo. just outside the St.Louis city limits. Talked with the owner he said it is his bands tour bus.
Saw this one with my buddy this summer in Gatineau, Quebec, Canada, and I made him stop and let me take these photos, lol. I talked briefly with the owners, apparently this was being used as a smoked-meat stand and is ex-Greyhound. I think they may have mentioned the year, but I've unfortunately forgotten it. I don't have any more information however and I'm not sure if you've counted this one.
changes to my list:
1958 conversions now - 29
2 more unknown VINs added. - 35
total 4104's still around - 310
left to find 4755
Siberyd
I don't know if the current owner signed in with you or not on our previous 4104. It is a 1958, ser #3572. It is in Michigan now.
Chessie4905,
Thank you for the bus info.
I did not have 3572 on my list. Delivered in 1958 to American Bus Lines fleet # 6145.
This brings converted 1958 coaches to a total of 30.
Siberyd
Received 3 new VIN's today, thank you. I will wait and post them early next week. Since I am going trolling for 4104's on Saturday in Quartzite, any new buses will be added to the list early next week. Received a VIN for a bus already on the list. The interior has been stripped away awaiting a new makeover.
Siberyd
Here is 1 http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/rvs/3502019480.html (http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/rvs/3502019480.html)
Harleyman,
Thanks for the info, I will shoot him a text and see if he wants to share his serial/vin number.
Siberyd
Hi.. I own PD4104-4143 its located in Sussex Co. NJ, It's an older conversion and in need of renovation but she is on the road and I take her out on short trips a few times a year. The exterior has all the windows and doors and from the drivers seat forward the interior is in original old condition.
Wes59,
Thank you for your info. I will add your bus to the list of survivors.
Siberyd
I am now a proud owner of a beautiful PD-4104-029 that I would like to add to this list if not already. She has been totally converted into a motor home and is equipped with a 6-71 and 4 speed and is very fun to operate. Plenty of looks. I will post pictures soon.
Topa,
Thanks for the info, will add to the list. Pictures are a plus. What is your city and state?
Siberyd
February 8, 2013 update
9 new buses
1953-34
1954-14
1955-08
1956-20
1957-38
1958-31
1959-29
1960-35
total converted -243
still a bus-14
noted on web down to-37
scrapped-27
unknown-35
4744 to go
Siberyd
Mine is a 57, SN 2548, coverted in about 1985.
Thanks Lance,
I will add yours to the list. Congrat's and welcome to the crazy world of bus ownership.
Siberyd
Hi Jon
Did you get Mark Renner's new parts bus S/N ? It's PD4104-4941
Keep up the good work! I have some photos of 4941 if you are interested. That is always part of my goal with the Scenicruiser registry (to have photos of each example). Either recent or vintage while still in revenue service shots. That adds another level to the challage!
Tom
Tom Thanks,
I will that one to the list and yes I would like a photo or two. Cant get enough pics of theae rigs.
Siberyd
I am looking at a 4104-3151 that has been converted to a motorhome. Can you tell me any info on it?
Scott,
This is one of those many buses that are out roaming the countryside that I havent found or know about yet. This is all I have records for:
4104-3151 is a 1958 coach originally sold to Western Greyhound Lines. It was one of a 124 bus order. The original fleet number would have been P-2579. Greyhound used to run these buses for 10 years then put them up for sale. Wish I had more info to give you.
That makes it a genuine hound. What city and state is this one in? So I can add it to the list of survivors.
Siberyd
maybe's..
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/rvs/3559135636.html (http://charlotte.craigslist.org/rvs/3559135636.html)
http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/rvs/3580012363.html (http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/rvs/3580012363.html)
Eagle19952,
Thanks for those 2 postings. I had not seen them yet - a shell for conversion and a beautiful bus ready to go. I sent a serial number inquiry to both posters. Plus I forwarded the ads to a few folks in the market for buses.
Siberyd
Got 5 new buses to add next week, including RCL's seated coach in Bloomington MN.
Siberyd
Found one in Crossville, TN.......I don't know if it's been counted or not?.
http://nashville.craigslist.org/rvs/3576285948.html (http://nashville.craigslist.org/rvs/3576285948.html)
GreyEagle,
Thanks for the link, nice looking coach. Sent the owner an email hopefully he responds positively.
Siberyd
1955 PD 4104-1457 Crossville, TN is now on the list.
Thanks GrayEagle
Siberyd
They say it's a 1964, 4104 converted. Not sure which part of the description (year or model) is accurate but here is the link if you are interested.
http://cleveland.craigslist.org/rvs/3641543021.html (http://cleveland.craigslist.org/rvs/3641543021.html)
Disregard- he says it's a 4106
Thats cool, I appreciate the extra eyes out there looking.
Siberyd
March 11, 2013 Update
Up 9 coaches.
Converted coaches now numbee 245:
1953-34
1954-14
1955-09
1956-20
1957-40
1958-32
1959-30
1960-34
Converted, unknown VIN-35
Still a bus- 16, up 2 including RCL's Bloomington, MN coach.
Noted on web -37
Leaves 4735 of 5065.
Siberyd
April has been a busy month for everyone. I have 8 new buses to ad and a coach owner change. Update on wednesday.
Siberyd
I owned a bus for several years its numbers was PD41043520 it belonged to the Lee Mace Ozark Opery in Osage Beach missouri i had it for several years. I scrapped it and bought a MCI.
Jeff,
Thanks, I will add your old bus to my scrapped list.
Siberyd
April 25, 2013 update
13 new VINs added
1953-36
1954-14
1955-10
1956-21
1957-44
1958-32
1959-31
1960-35
Still a bus 16
Scrapped 29
Unknown VIN conversions 36
VIN noted on web 37
Total of 341 accounted for leaving 4724 of 5065 to find.
I have 1953 4104-008. I bought it about six months ago. It was converted, stripped out, and is in the process of being rebuilding now. I live in Pine Bluff, AR. I bought it up in Illinois a few hours south of Chicago out in the middle of no where.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10100217191305212&set=t.537366909&type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10100217191305212&set=t.537366909&type=3&theater)
I have 4822. Converted in 1975, needs lots of work. Maybe this year maybe not. In Montesano Wa.
Thanks for the serial numbers, I will update my records with your information.
My last update on coach 0008, was that it was for sale.
Had no record of coach 4822 still being alive and well.
Always happy to hear about more 4104 owners.
Siberyd
1953 conversions where are they now?
0008- Pine Bluff, Arkansas
0012-Virginia
0023- unknown
0045-Texas
0053-Minnesota
0056-Tennessee
0073-Texas
0076-unknown
0105-Winfield, Kansas
0126-Franklin, TN
0148-Corona, CA
0154-Springfield, IL
0172-Lenoir, NC
0175-Mexico - permanent camp site
0204-New York
0230-West Virginia
0252-Kendalville, IN
0277-Indiana
0289-Crossville, TN for sale
0362- Escondido, CA for sale
0414-Unknown
0449-Washington
0450- unknown
0501-Virginia
0513-Texas
More to come. Break over.
Siberyd
Got a new one for you! ;D 1957 4104-2106 bought by Badger Bus Lines in Madison Wi. Unit # 135. Sold by them a long time ago, and tracked down and re-bought by them a few years ago with the intention of restoring to original. Needs a lot of work but is still a seated coach. Saw it last week when we went there hoping to find out if our 5A was part of their fleet as i was told.
Thanks Ed,
I will add her to the list.
Siberyd
I am still around, and after placing my ad in BCM I have 3 new VIN/SN for the list.
Had a family member pass after a short illness and have been kept busy taking care of family matters. Should have an update the beginning of July.
Siberyd
I am looking at buying PD4104-3390 It is currently in Phoenix Az, and will be comming home with me to St. Louis Mo. Can you tell me any information on this coach?
Quote from: harleyman_1000 on June 29, 2013, 01:21:27 PM
I am looking at buying PD4104-3390 It is currently in Phoenix Az, and will be coming home with me to St. Louis Mo. Can you tell me any information on this coach?
Scott -PD4104-3390 was delivered new as fleet number C-2063 in April of 1958 to Central Greyhound Lines, HQ'd in Minneapolis, MN at the time. This was during the period when 'Hound had the enviable reputation of having the BEST preventative maintenance program of any commercial carrier, long before the hot dog salesman took over and ruined the company. Back then they kept their buses ten years - until after the summer peak season - and then they'd be sold off to second-tier operators or private individuals. Thus up until late 1968, this coach had good maintenance. Once it left Greyhound's fleet, who knows. . .
If the deal goes thru as planned, you'll be able to truthfully tell folk you live in a "jen-u-wine" retired Greyhound Bus!
FWIW & HTH. . .
;)
Quote from: RJ on June 29, 2013, 04:35:25 PM
Scott -
PD4104-3390 was delivered new as fleet number C-2063 in April of 1958 to Central Greyhound Lines, HQ'd in Minneapolis, MN at the time. This was during the period when 'Hound had the enviable reputation of having the BEST preventative maintenance program of any commercial carrier, long before the hot dog salesman took over and ruined the company. Back then they kept their buses ten years - until after the summer peak season - and then they'd be sold off to second-tier operators or private individuals. Thus up until late 1968, this coach had good maintenance. Once it left Greyhound's fleet, who knows. . .
If the deal goes thru as planned, you'll be able to truthfully tell folk you live in a "jen-u-wine" retired Greyhound Bus!
FWIW & HTH. . .
Im confused? I was told this was a 1960 bus, and your saying it was delivered in April of 1958?
;)
What is 2 years in the life of a 50 + year old bus ::) that serial number is for a 1958
So if the title says 1960 then I might have a problem?
Scott -
Yes, it was delivered new in April of 1958, according to the GMC Parlor Car Delivery Roster I have right in front of me.
Provided, of course, that you posted the correct VIN.
Some subsequent owner after Greyhound screwed up the title, and the current seller may be unaware (or may not).
If you think there will be a problem getting it registered back in Saint Louie, for a $25 donation order a copy of the GMC "Final Vehicle Record" from the Museum of Transportation in Ohio to verify it's origin w/ the DMV and insurance folk.
Not the end of the world if it's the coach you really want.
FWIW & HTH. . .
;)
Scott,
I sent a website link to the final vehicle record address.
Siberyd
I'm planning on buying 4963 in a day or two as a parts donor. It is currently drivable, but the clutch is going. I'm inclined to swap parts out and keep it as a rough ugly stepsister. It's a conversion with pretty nice exterior. I really don't need two buses, but hate the thought of scrapping her. Might choose to modify into an infield coach with a roof deck and on tap draft.
Im confused? I was told this was a 1960 bus, and your saying it was delivered in April of 1958
Are you using the serial number that is on the builders plate?
Check the serial number in the steering compartment under the drivers seat it's stamped in large letters and numbers on the vertical structure looking straight in the compartment.
If both numbers match or don't match just go with what the title states.
Don't try to unconfused the folks in you state tag and title office.
Good luck.
jlv
So far I have come across about 20 buses misregisteres if that is a word. Example: people share their VIN/Serial number and believe it is say a 1960 but the VIN says 1956.
When I share the actual manufactured year with the owner of bus and break down which vins are which model years. I get crickets or sworn at. Not very pretty.
In one case the year of manufacture was changed when the bus changed owners another after bus was rebuilt after a major accident.
Siberyd
Answer to inquiring minds:
PD 4104-0001 was a demonstrator bus sold to Mexico.
PD 4104-0002 was a demonstrator bus sold to Cuba.
PD 4104-0003 to 0012 wete sold to Greyhound.
4104-0008 is the oldest on.my list. A conversion
4104-5049 is the newest bus that still exists.
4104-5051 has been scrapped.
The last 5 buses off the assembly line
4104-5061 to 5065 went to Mexico.
Siberyd
just purchased 4104 - 746 any info would be fantastic!! thank you!! btw it is a conversion that hasnt seen the road in 11yrs
Dave,
RJ or JL will be giving you the vitals as soon as they see your post. I am away from home and my list. What city and state are you located?
Did you get manuals with your coach? Need a link to free manuals?
Siberyd
PD-4104-746 Overland Greyhound Lines. Omaha,NB
Fleet number O-1539.
1953 year built.
jlv
24 new buses this month
Conversions 278
Noted on web 37
Scrapped 32
Still a bus 16
Total buses 363
Leaving 4702 to find
I purchased GM PD4104-765 in 1995.
It had two previous conversions that I know about; one by Don Redon and the other by Richard L. Burton. Don purchased the bus in Lincoln, Nebraska. I purchased the bus from Don in Fresno, CA.
I have completely gutted it and have reconverted it. I have also repowered it with a mechanical 8V71TA / V730 combo, larger brake drums, Sheppard steering and much more.
RJ Long supplied the following info; Originally sold to Central Greyhound Lines of New York; hdq. in Cleveland, Ohio in Dec. 1953. Their fleet number C-1067.
It is CA DMV registered as a 1954 year model.
It's current home is in Central California.
Craig Craddock
Craig,
Thank you for the info on your bus. Its always nice to add another bus to the list and in California too. So far California is in the top 5 for 4104 buses still alive and kicking.
Siberyd
I just bought PD 4104-3390 and it is a converted coach
congradulations Welcome to the 04 owners club.
Some of the most useless people in the world according to the Eagles owners.
All we are good for is the to supply spring water for them and kill mosquitos.
Also most of us are full of _hit.
great bunch of busnuts and most of those people are in Kansas this week without me to keep them out of trouble.
uncle ned
Ps boy am i missing the rally but plan on being in Tenn in Oct.
Scott,
Congratulations on your new bus. Thanks for the vin, Adding a stretched 4104 to the database.
Siberyd
here is one on ebay, I sent seller a question about serial number
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Motorhome-1955-Gmc-PD4104-Bus-/130963698014?pt=RVs_Campers&hash=item1e7e0b715e&vxp=mtr (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Motorhome-1955-Gmc-PD4104-Bus-/130963698014?pt=RVs_Campers&hash=item1e7e0b715e&vxp=mtr)
prepare your eyes for the pictures...you have been warned
WOW a pink 4104, thanks for the warning. Thanks for the heads up and serial number inquiry.
Siberyd
found this here
http://community.fmca.com/topic/5634-new-to-the-pd4104-motorcoach-world/ (http://community.fmca.com/topic/5634-new-to-the-pd4104-motorcoach-world/)
Posted 22 June 2013 - 01:09 AM
Hi All
I just bought a 1960 PD 4104 Motorcoach conversion from a gentleman in Washington State.
The coach was converted in the late 70 early 80's.
The Vin # PD41044817 and it has a FMCA # 23181.
Any history on this bus would be great. It has been setting for 8 years so I'm redoing things that need replacing.
I hope to have it back on the road next summer.
Thanks Allen
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one and only post from this person
Doug,
Thanks, attempted contact through the FMCA forum. I have a posting there for 4104's too, guess he missed it.
Siberyd
What does "FMCA" stand for?
Im, guessing being a new busnut is going to bring a lot of "duh questions" :) ::)
I have PD 4104 number 960 and live in Lancaster NH. I am looking to see if anybody might know the history of this coach? I am looking the period from 1953 thru 1977 when the former owner purchased it from Conestoga Coach in Pa. Thanks!
Quote from: bigfreight0 on August 20, 2013, 05:30:24 AM
I have PD 4104 number 960 and live in Lancaster NH. I am looking to see if anybody might know the history of this coach? I am looking the period from 1953 thru 1977 when the former owner purchased it from Conestoga Coach in Pa. Thanks!
PD4104-960 was delivered new in March of 1954 as fleet number E-5406 to New England Greyhound Lines, HQ'd in Boston, MA.
Back then, Greyhound kept their coaches 10 years, usually selling them off in the fall after the summer season. In this unit's case, that would have been sometime after Labor Day on 1964 when it was sold to what the industry calls a "second-tier" operator.
FWIW & HTH. . .
;)
Don't know if this one has been reported.
PD4104-1375 Converted been sitting for a while, may be sold for scrap.
St Ignace, MI
Someone please post the first serial number and the last serial number. And, tell me again how many were made. Feebble minds can't remember ;D
Thanks for the vin
5,065 buses made, numbers 0001-5065,
Siberyd
Quote from: bansil on August 08, 2013, 09:34:14 AM
here is one on ebay, I sent seller a question about serial number
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Motorhome-1955-Gmc-PD4104-Bus-/130963698014?pt=RVs_Campers&hash=item1e7e0b715e&vxp=mtr (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Motorhome-1955-Gmc-PD4104-Bus-/130963698014?pt=RVs_Campers&hash=item1e7e0b715e&vxp=mtr)
prepare your eyes for the pictures...you have been warned
Okay this is what I was emailed:
VIN# T420492
Doug,
Not sure what that number would be, but I can easily say that is not the vin. The vin is usually listed as an example my bus: 41042240.
Good try though, they did not respond to another busnut on another inquiry of the bus.
Siberyd
Sounds like Tamiami fleet number
Some one please post the history of this serial number PD4104-1375. I might make an offer on the bus.
I'll take a shot till the big guys come long 1955 4104-1375 went to Mertx White Way Tours of PA fleet number 90 it wasn't a hound if my info is correct
I've got nothing to add, it's not on any list I have other than the delivery list. But I am happy to add another surviving bus to the list.
Siberyd
John -
Clifford was darned close: PD4104-1375 was delivered new as fleet number 90 in April of 1955 to Merz White Way Tours, HQ'd in Philadelphia, PA.
FWIW & HTH. . .
;)
Thanks guys,
The Keeper of the Checkbook says I can't make an offer on it. If someone is looking for a 4104 this would be a good one. It even has all the marker lights and none are cracked. Needs to be brought back from the brink....
Talked to a 4104 owner in Canada today. He has a 1959 coach with:
R & M Caps
Remco mirrors
Electric wipers
Air throttle
Added a Turbo to his 671
Cant wait to see the pictures on this rig.
Siberyd
4104-4646 is alive and well. Should be hitting the road soon as a conversion. That BCM ad still getting me VIN's.
Siberyd
Got 2 more 4104 Vin this week.
4646 (noted below) is alive and well in Colorado.
766 In Quartzite, AZ
Siberyd
Hi Guy's,
#4519 1960' was owned by my dad from 1977' to 2002'
It is still alive and kicking in Northern New Jersey in the hands of Dan Webber.
Nick-
Nick,
Thanks, yours makes the 4th 4104 this week.
Thanks
Siberyd
Quote from: Nick Badame Refrig/ACC on October 21, 2013, 11:52:51 AM
Hi Guy's,
#4519 1960' was owned by my dad from 1977' to 2002'
It is still alive and kicking in Northern New Jersey in the hands of Dan Webber.
Nick-
#4519 is now living strong in West Nyack NY.
Thanks Nick,
I will reflect that in my records.
Siberyd
4104-1862 is alive and well in Victoria, BC.
Siberyd
Can someone refresh my memory. What was the total number made? Total number known to be alive and their status? Converted? Seated? Other?
All that info is in his previous posts. Just go back a couple pages and check them out. I don't think he broke down the different combos....stock, conversion, original engine, turbo, std or auto, etc., unless they are laid out on a spread sheet.
Scott and everyone else,
Off the top of my head.
5,065 made from 1953-1960.
So far I have received info on 12 still seated coaches.
At least 300 converted coaches.
Been a little lax in posting, my laptop died so I am working a lot of overtime.
And thanks to requests on 6 websites, I get a new VIN every month.
With holidays coming will post more.
Quote from: siberyd on November 07, 2013, 05:50:14 PM
Scott and everyone else,
Off the top of my head.
5,065 made from 1953-1960.
So far I have received info on 12 still seated coaches.
At least 300 converted coaches.
Been a little lax in posting, my laptop died so I am working a lot of overtime.
And thanks to requests on 6 websites, I get a new VIN every month.
With holidays coming will post more.
So there are currently only 312 known to be in existence? Would this make our buses worth more as a rare collectors model?
Older Eagles and MCI's will become rarer than GMC's because they'll rust away to just a few left. For 4104's to be rare, there would need to be only a few left. Probably a better chance on a scenicruiser or MC-6.
Some numbers to add for this week.
1959. 4104-4188 converted, in Evelson, WA
1959. 4104-4267 converted, in Gresham, OR
1960. 4104-4759 scrapped, Oregon
Siberyd
November 16, 2013 Update.
295 Converted coaches
37 Noted on the web
16 Still a coach
This equals 348 buses alive and well.
Now have VINs for 33 recycled coaches.
Siberyd
1802 - alive and well as a converted coach. In Tennessee.
3063 - alive and well as a concerted coach in east Texas.
One from FB and one from FMCA.
Siberyd
4104-1820 converted alive and well in Windsor, Ontario
#298 onching up to 300 coaches.
4104-4556 Just purchased from a 1 owner conversion in Michigan, looking to relocate it to El Paso within the next couple months. Can't wait to get it on the road!
G-Man,
You got a genuine Greyhound coach. Thanks for the info, someone will post the history of your coach shortly.
Siberyd
Thanks, looking forward to the adventures and getting to know you all! I should note, PO had done an 8" roof raise, added turbo (all associated parts), differential, and end caps. She's a beaut.
G-Man
Sounds like we need to see some pictures.
Siberyd
Here ya go!
(https://busconversionmagazine.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi25.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc93%2Fmr_magoo_04%2FBusdriver.jpg&hash=63b7e1f5ff436e97c55d554a2342027c76b41d18)
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Great pics, thanks.
Siberyd
Quote from: G-man the Visionary on December 07, 2013, 08:56:49 AM
4104-4556 Just purchased from a 1 owner conversion in Michigan, looking to relocate it to El Paso within the next couple months. Can't wait to get it on the road!
G -PD4104-4556 was delivered new as fleet number C-2378 in March of 1960 to Central-Southwestern Greyhound Lines, HQ'd in Minneapolis, MN. PO probably purchased from 'Hound in the fall of 1970 or so after the summer peak season, as GL normally keeps equipment 10 years before selling them off.
As a side note, if you want to experience overheating that 6-71 while living in the Southwest, then leave that mudflap hanging off the rear bumper.
If you don't want to experience overheating, then pull it off and rehang it on the bulkhead directly behind the rear axle. That's where they were installed as OEM - it helps to create a low-pressure area under the engine to help draw more air thru the radiator and engine compartment. This is one item that you shouldn't second-guess the factory about.
For some folk, shifting the manual four-speed is a piece of cake, for others, their worst nightmare. It's a "crash box," so you have to double-clutch for best results. This article may be of help:
http://busnut.com/forum/index.php?action=articles;sa=view;article=41 (http://busnut.com/forum/index.php?action=articles;sa=view;article=41)
(If you can't read it, send me a PM w/ your email address and I'll send you a copy - since I wrote it!)
Finally, help us help you by taking a couple minutes to edit your Forum Profile to add a signature line similar to mine below. Simply click on the Profile tab above, from the LH menu on the next screen, click on "Forum Profile Info" and follow the prompts. By doing so we can better direct you to parts and service sources, not to mention the added benefit of possibly finding another busnut nearby!
Enjoy your new toy!
FWIW & HTH. . .
;)
Wow, great info! Thanks, I'll be sure to move the mud flaps asap.
1955 PD 4104-1522 has moved to her new home from Lincoln, Montana where she was purchased to Saratoga Springs, NY.
Siberyd
Does this help at all? I've got some stories to go with it.
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www.herdofturtles.org (http://www.herdofturtles.org)
1984 Eagle Model 10S
Seangie,
I love to hear bus stories.
Siberyd
We are visiting my Wife's moms cousin this night. Her husband (Jimmy Ace Asip) is the lead singer for a band called "Pieces of Eight". They are a southern beach style "shag" type band from the late 50s, early 60's (and they still play 5 or 6 dates a year).
When we pulled up to their house in our bus he was excited to see it and told me all kinds of stories of the bus they drove around back in the 50s and 60s when they would tour. He said that they mostly used the bus to drive around and would stay in hotels. There were 12 original grayhound seats in the front, 8 bunks in the middle and a card table and u-shaped couch in the back. Not much of a conversion but it was mostly for travel and all the band members would take shifts driving to get from one place to another.
The picture came out of a book called "The Heeey Baby Beach Days of Music" by Greg Haynes. There is also a picture of the bus on their website http://www.thepiecesofeight.com/ on the history tab. Unfortunately the website is all flash so the picture is not saveable sans a screen shot.
I'm trying to get him to dig up more pics of the bus. It was a grayhound bus before they bought it. The 4 numbers up on the top are 5638. I'm sure this is a Greyhound bus number that was never removed and is probably not the serial number. He said about a year or two ago someone saw it on the side of the road (probably a scrap yard) recognized the band and bus from back in the day and called him and told him that they saw the bus. He doesn't know anything except that it was in the Charlotte area and still had the same paint as in this picture.
If I find out more Ill let you know. Maybe RJ can find out something about it from the Greyhound repository. ;)
-Sean
www.herdofturtles.org (http://www.herdofturtles.org)
1984 Eagle Model 10S
Quote from: Seangie on December 11, 2013, 07:13:48 PM
Maybe RJ can find out something about it from the Greyhound repository.
Well, yes & no. . .
I don't show 5638 as a number assigned to a 4104 by one of the Greyhound ("e" not "a") divisions when
new. The closest I come is 5445 belonging to Pennsylvania GL, then 5700 @ Northland GL.
It isn't unusual to GL to reassign coach numbers when the fleet is repositioned. All you have to do is look at the Scenics - some had 4/5 different fleet numbers during their Hound career. Add to that mix the consolidation of various divisions over the years, and tracking becomes much more of a challenge.
However, it definitely is an ex-GL car. Give-aways are the low-mount driver's mirror, the fleet number placement, the running dog breastplate, and the large flat panel between the headlights for multiple state license plates.
Now if Mr Asip or one of the other band members can come up with an old vehicle registration or similar with the VIN, then I can come up with which GL division originally purchased the coach from GM.
Quote from: siberyd on December 11, 2013, 03:38:51 PM
1955 PD 4104-1522 has moved to her new home from Lincoln, Montana where she was purchased to Saratoga Springs, NY.
This coach has an interesting history. It was originally purchased in May of 1955 as fleet number A-5509 by American Buslines, HQ'd in Lincoln, NE. American was the third (and smallest) of the transcontinental bus companies back then, behind Hound and Trailways. Of course, they're just a memory now. . .
FWIW & HTH. . .
;)
RJ,
Thanks for the 1522 info, I will pass it on to the new owner.
Seangie,
Interesting bus story.
Siberyd
Three more buses to add. We broke the 300 mark for confirmed by VIN numbers and going for 41040.
Buses:
4104-0646
4104-1464 Georgia
4104-4532 waiting for location
Siberyd
Quote from: siberyd on December 12, 2013, 12:03:21 PM
Buses:
4104-0646
4104-1464 Georgia
4104-4532 waiting for location
Original owner history:
0646: November of 1953 to Pennsylvania Greyhound Lines, HQ'd Cleveland, OH. #P-5319,
1464: April of 1955 to Carolina Coach Company, HQ'd Raleigh, NC. #C-5518
4532: March of 1960 to Western Greyhound Lines, HQ'd San Francisco, CA. #P-7554
So, two Hounds and a Trailways car in this group.
FWIW & HTH. . .
;)
RJ Thanks,
I will try and put up new list by the end of next week. My home computer is the only one I work on my spreadsheet with. My laptop with excel died and have been too busy to drop it off for repair.
Siberyd
Sid,
I assume that you have backups somewhere. However, you might consider putting it in a cloud somewhere. That way you always have it....
FWIW
A cloud? I R a bus driver, how do clouds work? Sounds like its above my pay grade. I thought I was up to date with the world when I got a thumb drive SUB.
Siberyd
Quote from: siberyd on December 12, 2013, 02:03:30 PM
A cloud? I R a bus driver, how do clouds work? Sounds like its above my pay grade. I thought I was up to date with the world when I got a thumb drive SUB.
Jon -"Cloud backup" is basically a back-up service that encrypts and stores your data out in cyberspace somewhere, so if your system crashes, you can restore everything w/o losing anything.
My brother-in-law, a very high-level program manager at Intel, uses a product called "Crashplan," which is the same product Intel uses for all it's laptops throughout the company. I figure if it's good enough for Intel, it's good enough for me. Very reasonable monthly rates, too.
There are other plans out there such as Carbonite, iDrive and Mozy, choose what's best for you.
FWIW & HTH. . .
;)
Rj
You hit the nail on the head. This 5636 fleet number that appears on the bus in the old photo was probably the very last number assigned to the 4104 (by GH). If you knew the year the photo was taken, or more of the original (particular period livery) was left intact, you could guess which serial you were dealing with based on the fleet number. As you said, we do this all the time with deciphering old photos of Scenicruisers. Scenics and 04s, and others, may have had beween 3-6 different fleet numbers (depending on division moves, and legth of service). Some remained the same throughout. (not many) As you know, Scenics were the expection to the 10 year rule-of-thumb service life for GH. Some went through 5 paint schemes and 20 years of service. I am very lucky to have two different photos of my PD4501-771 while in GH service. One shot in 1964 by Fred Rayman in Iowa (no surprise!), and one shot by Jim Husing in San Fran in 1977 (SF was the dumping ground for Scenics to die!) You have to look at every single fleet number in your roster to see if that one pops-up. With 04s....thats a lot of numbers. My eyes bleed, just thinking about it!
They're are a few numbers that will not appear on your roster. That old Motorbus Society list does have some errors and ommisions. But....It's all we have! Take care
4104-3151 is alive and well Indiana.
Siberyd
2 buses to add, Same owner for both.
4104-4133
4104-4292
In Cicero Indiana.
That makes 3 buses from Indiana this month.
Siberyd
Original owner info for latest '04s:
3151: January of 1958 to Western Greyhound Lines, HQ'd in San Francisco, #P-2579
4133: June of 1959 to Trailways of New England, HQ'd in Washington, DC, #TN-954
4292: December of 1959 to Queen City Coach Co, HQ'd in Charlotte, NC, #Q-4074
FWIW & HTH. . .
;)
Just saw this one, not sure if its on your list..... http://nashville.craigslist.org/rvs/4205077449.html (http://nashville.craigslist.org/rvs/4205077449.html)
Thanks Gary,
Good looking bus and a good deal for a starter project. It doesnt look familiar so I sent an email asking for the coach's serial number. We will see what happens.
Siberyd
Did you get this one, in Oaxaca via Kamloops? http://lianadevine.wordpress.com/about-us/ (http://lianadevine.wordpress.com/about-us/) It's a re-engined 1957.
So, are we going to see either (or both) of your buses at the next BGW?
John (with the un-Twinkie Crown)
John,
No I did not know about this bus, I will try and make contact with them.It'd a good
looking bus. I was in contact with another full time couple in Mexico last year. But there 04 was a 1953 I think.
We will probably bring our skoolie to BGW. But since we live close to the event, maybe accept a short field trip to check out the 4104. Replaced start batteries with AGM's earlier this year. But still have a few things to get done before I take her out in public. Replacing subfloor in house for Christmas break.
No time to work on 04. The skoolie is on the road 3 times a month for dog adoption events. Twice a month in Orange County.
I own 4104 4519, I know about the 2 previous owners , can you tell me the original history of 4519, Thanks, Nel
Nel,
What is your city and state for the survivors list?
RJ has better records than.me so he will post it as soon as he read this.
Siberyd
I live in West Nyack , NY
A little too cold right now to work on it, but I have gutted the previous conversion from the 80's.( way too much shag carpeting for me) I would start with insulating the bus from the ceiling down, the insulation there now looks original as well as the ceiling panels and looks like it gets wet from condensation, would like to know the best material to use against the metal surfaces , by the way I hope I can get a lot of feed back from members willing to give advice as I go, I will try to post pictures too. Thanks again, Nel
Sent Gordie's 4104 project to your email.
Quote from: Nel on January 09, 2014, 08:35:24 AM
I own 4104 4519, I know about the 2 previous owners , can you tell me the original history of 4519, Thanks, Nel
Nel -PD4104-4519 was delivered new as fleet number P-7541 to Western Greyhound Lines, HQ'd in San Francisco, CA. It was part of a 75-bus order that was delivered in February and March of 1960. Based on it's sequence in the order (4478-4553), I'm going to guess that it actually was delivered in the early part of March, as it was #41 out of 75.
So you can legitimately tell folk that you own a "Jen-u-wine retired Greyhound bus." ;D
FYI, if you haven't seen it in some of my other postings, WGL had one of the BEST maintenance shops in the Greyhound organization during the timeframe your coach was part of their fleet (1960-1970), so for at least the first ten years of it's life it was well taken care of.
FWIW & HTH. . .
;)
Well Thanks RJ , I will keep that info in my bus files, 4519 will be in good hands on the East coast for a while and hopefully will visit the West coast someday, Thanks again RJ, Nel
4104-2731 is alive and well in Fallon, NV. Currently for sale on Craig's list.
Siberyd
Quote from: siberyd on January 21, 2014, 04:21:02 PM
4104-2731 is alive and well in Fallon, NV.
Delivered new in July of 1957 as fleet number F-1226 to Florida Greyhound Lines, HQ'd in Jacksonville, FL.
FWIW & HTH. . .
;)
Thanks RJ.
Siberyd
4104-1802 is alive and well as a converted coach fulltiming based out of Tennessee.
Siberyd
One for sale on E-BAY 4104 -1721
Steve 5B.....
Thanks for the info.
Siberyd
4104-2023 is still around. Unknown what condition it is in, the former owner said it is a part of a special project with details TBA. Will advise when I hear.
Siberyd
Two more coaches:
4104-4218 conversion unknown location.
4104-4821 conversion Norman, OK
Siberyd
Greetings all,
I have to apologize for the last total I posted. The numbers did not match in 2 places (my way of double checking). It appears that I have a mystery formula adding buses that don't exist in my database. I found an error on Line 2215.of 5100 lines (on my Excel spreadsheet). Somehow a formula was adding buses to my total. I guess it can happen, because it did. So I spent my weekend looking at every line and found the error.
The corrected numbers for the surviving coaches are:
(These do not include new numbers received over the weekend).
Conversions - 202
Noted on web - 33
Scrapped - 50
Still a bus/shell - 16
Total of 301
2 owners are converting their coaches to being a bus again.
This week I have been helping a 4104 fan in Brazil. Our 4104's are very popular with collectors there. The shine them up like mirrors including the engine. So I have 4 serial numbers to the still a bus list with another 2. I have their fleet number and company name. Unfortunately when GM exported vehicles, most of the time the notation on the delivery list is export.
So there are a total of 6 buses in Brazil, originally I only knew of 1. The famous one from the Youtube video. Seems the goal is to make all of them like that. Last year 2 were bought by collectors and shipped south.
Siberyd
Sao Paulo, Brazil coaches:
4104-731 still a bus
4104-1919 still a bus
4104-4194 still a bus
4104-4196 still a bus
Siberyd
Just found these stored in my phone from my visit last Oct. to Ted Campbells place. Maybe you already have these:
Unknown customer motorhomes on site for repairs: PD4104-381, PD4104-743
Parts buses: PD4104-4521, PD4104-4906, one with No serial number on "frame" & no builders plate, but still painted in Trailways fleet #1148. Maybe RJ can look that one up.
Take care
Tom
Tom,
Thanks for the numbers. The only coach I had a number for is 4906, he saw my ad in BCM and sent me an email. Many thanks again.
Siberyd
Does anyone live in or around Duluth, Minnesota. It appears there is a bus in a field below the Blatnik Bridge in Duluth.
Someone in Canada passed on the info to me.
Siberyd
I live in the Duluth area and have talked to the owner of the 4104 you are inquiring about. looks to be a parts bus at best. next time I am in the area I will get you a phone number. Don
Thanks Don,
A phone number would be great or a serial number for the coach. Might be fun to find out what the owners's intention is for the bus.
Siberyd
Here are some pictures of the bus and the phone number. The area code is 218. Don
Interesting. At first glance I thought it was a 4106, because of the head lights and tail lights, but a closer look reveals that it is a modified 4104. Looks like it ought to be worth saving.
Bob
Don & Sue,
Thanks for the pictures on this coach. I will attempt to contact them this week. First I got to google the area code for that area.
Siberyd
Three buses to add to the list this week.
1958 4104-3257 a beautiful coach for sale in Carson City, NV.
1960 4104-4109 conversion for sale in Victoria, BC
1953 4104-0206 scrapped
Siberyd
The area code is 218 I put it in the previous post with the pictures.
Thanks Don,
I use a smart phone and most of the time I can't read the whole post until I get home and use the computer.
Siberyd
Talked to Max, the owner of the bus. It's a1954, basically a shell with 2 roof top A/C's. He replaced the water pump and cored out the radiator. Has owned it for 12 years and has never got around to doing the interior. He is working in California this week and will get me the serial number when he gets a chance. Bus is $5k or best offer. He said it runs great.
Siberyd
4104-3883 is alive and well as a conversion in Columbus N.C.
Siberyd
The headlight/taillight conversion on the Duluth 04 was probably done while in revenue service with GH or alike. GH did the same conversion to several Scenics as well.
Tom
Thanks Tom,
I did not know that.
Siberyd
The Duluth bus is 1954 4104-1070 Greyhound Heritage owner wants $5k or best offer.
Siberyd
Hey
Did I give you 3148? Fred Rayman looked at it a few weeks ago in Guthrie, OK (North of OKC)
An old converted band bus.
Tom
Tom,
Nope, but we got it now. Thanks. This one makes 3 for this week so far.
Siberyd
On a field trip today with my notes, so here is an update:
Converted coaches 205
Noted on web. 33
Scrapped. 55 I know this number is much higher.
Still a bus/shell. 21
For the number crunchers in the group:
1953 GM made 773 - 4104's, at least 33 survive
1954 GM made 527 buses, at least 11 survive
1955 GM made 265 buses, at least 13 survive
1956 GM made 400 buses, at least 21 survive
1957 GM made 1105 buses, at least 43 survive
1958 GM made 796 buses, at least 32 survive
1959 GM made 489 buses, at least 31 survive
1960 GM made. 711 buses, at least 42 survive
I wrote an article for BCM on this search. Watch for it.
Siberyd
I am the proud new owner of GMC PD 4104-3617 conversion. Located Citrus Springs, FL. Will post photos soon. Would appreciate any tips on history, and locating rubber parts (hinges, window seals, air line, etc.).
Best regards, Samuel
Currently of the 21, do you know many are still seated coaches, and how many are shells? Thanks
Tom
1958 PD 4104--3617 Originally sold to Oklahoma Transportation Company.
Luke at US Coach in New Jersey is a new parts source. 888/262-2434.
Send me your email, mine is jusle@aol.com and I will send you some 4104 related links.
Tom,
Will check my notes and let you know what I got.
Siberyd
Tom,
Here is what my notes say:
25 coaches in the still a bus file.
3 are shells at last owner contact.
That leaves 22 buses seated.
Of those 22, there are at least 5 in South America.
My contacts in Latin America say there may be more in Central America. Dont have any contacts there yet.
Siberyd
So 17 seated 4104s in USA so far. Any of those in Canada? That is not many for sure. I have about 25 seated Scenics on my list. Sad news for 4104s, as there were 6 times as many 04s made than 4501s. Maybe your numbers will increase with time. I find in most years I get only about 2-3 new 4501 serial numbers (over the 15 years that I have been counting). That probably does not begin to keep pace with the number that are scrapped every year. I just heard about another Scenic that was scrapped recently somewhere in AZ. (only sketchy details so far) I'm sure at some point I will stop getting any new numbers added.
Keep up the good work. Take care
Tom
PD4104-2375 shell, doing conversion. First sold to southwest G.H.
Dave Rasor
Dave,
What's your city and state? Send me an email jusle@aol. Com and I will send you some 4104 related links.
Siberyd
There,s a 4501 in the yard of a bus company on hwy 50 in Clermont, FL. The next time I go that way I'll try to get its number in case it's not on your list. I believe it is essentially a historical display.
Best regards, Samuel
Sounds like PD4501-932 at ABC Bus (near Lake Apopka, FL) I believe that is HWY 50. Bus is painted in Faribo Lines livery from Faribault, MN (1970s charter livery) Sound right?
Thanks for the info.
Take care
Tom
I just spent a couple of days in Tyler, TX, working with my father to get #3354 back on the road. The interior was fully converted to an RV sometime in the early 80s, and was used by my family for vacations throughout the 80s and 90s.
It has been off the road for the past six years, but it was working fine when it was parked. Right now it is waiting for a mechanic to deal with a stuck injector (and hopefully replace the rack with a breakway model, if we can find one). Once he has given the whole thing a thorough inspection, the plan is to move it to Northern California.
Marcus,
What's the destination in Northern California?
Siberyd
I'm hoping to find somewhere in the East Bay to park it.. I live in Berkeley but it's going to be impractical to keep it in the driveway. Initially I'm going to see if I can leave it at NIMBY for a couple of months, but that will only work as long as I am actively working on it.
Marcus,
I know of a 4104 owner in the bay area. He keeps his coach at Ted Campbell's shop in Williams, CA.
Its about 90 minutes to 2 hours north of you.
Siberyd
Marcus,
Have a fellow busnut and 4104 owner in Antioch checking into optional locations if Berkley put up a stink about your coach.
Also check your messages, sent you something.
Siberyd
May have a couple of more for you if you don't have them already......229 and 2499 are at US Coach in New Jersey being scrapped out.
Hmmmm, it might be 4229 instead of 229. Luke's handwriting is a little hard to read.
Thanks Ed,
Did not have those numbers. Will add them to the scrapped list and takenthem off the looking for list. Which reminds me, got to contact Luke about some parts.
Siberyd
Here is one in Toto land http://stlouis.craigslist.org/rvs/4389053498.html (http://stlouis.craigslist.org/rvs/4389053498.html)
Thanks Scott,
Sent him an email inquiry for his serial number.
Siberyd
Do you have 4104-4963?
Parts bus I bought. Will probably never see the road again.
Gordie
Thanks Gordie,
Been a real busy week on the windy surface of the sun know as southern California.
May has been a very busy month for both me and the list. For me the end of the school year (May 29th)
meant a lot of field trips to Disneyland and Knott's Berry Farm = overtime.
For the list, I am still sorting out the info.
At least 2 buses on the list have changed owners.
About 4 or 6 new buses to add to the list.
When someone calls me on the phone about my ad in BCM, I dont always have my list hand and jot info on that scratch piece of paper......
Aiming for an update this week.
Siberyd
Four new buses to the list since May 31.
4104-4993 conversion. 6V92TA / Allison V730
4104-4003 conversion, at an auction in Oregon
4104-4660 conversion, Moncton, New Brunswick
4104-1620 conversion, for sale Oregon
A few less to find
Siberyd
June 8, 2014 update
4104-3272 converted, San Jose California
4104-4102 converted, Kamloops BC Canada
4104-4787 converted, Yuma, AZ
Working on an updated summary
1957 4104-2687 converted, getting a re-do. Jupiter, Florida
1960 4104-4534 converted, Ontario, Ca
will be visiting the Ontario coach this week, may be going up for sale. Also may have some spare parts on the property. Will also be checking in to that.
My wife has been keeping me busy this month with honey do's
Siberyd
Hey Jon, let me know about the spare parts.i am still looking for a bay door.
Jon, do you have 3236?
John Z,
I checked my records and.do not have that serial number. Do you know what its current status is?
Also got the patch, great design of a 4104 on it. Gonna have to put it on one of my hats to show it off to other bus nuts.
Siberyd
Yeah, 3236 is converted, and has been parked in northern Minnesota since 2000. Owner said it would start right up, but he is not interested in selling it, or any parts.
Glad you like the patch.
There's the 3 Scenics in Gila Bend Arizona. I also saw 4 in Wyoming while I was passing through when I bought my bus back to Connecticut. Did not have time to stop, 3 where at a farm along I80 and could be seen from I80 in the distance and another was along I80 same state. Maybe someone knows of these sorry I cannot provide more exact location's
Steve
We know about the Gila Scenics. the four in Wyoming? What were those? Scenics or 04s? Near any towns on I-80? Thanks for the help.
Thanks
Tom
The ones in Wyoming were all Scenics but as I was driving I was not able to keep track of any towns. I do know it was a wide open area and you could see the farm with the Scenics parked next to the house. Looked like they may have been using them for storage. The other was close to the road beside a gas station. Sorry I probably should have taken better info. This was while traveling east on I80 farm on the right, gas station on the left.
Working on data entry last night, not my favorite part of this hobby. We are up 14 buses. Will try and log in more tonite. I have received 3 new numbers this week.
Siberyd
I just picked up PD-4104-772. Conversion that was done recently and sporting a WVO tank. She needs some TLC, but we hope to have her back in shape soon. I will post pictures shortly. According to someone on FB she was G-7228 at Great Lakes Greyhound Line. Is there any way to find out what routes she ran? The PO, said the got it from someone who had purchased it from a touring gospel group. Would love to know who that was too.
Thanks,
Vern in Central Florida
Vern
Is this one of the famous Little brothers.
How is the scenic cruiser doing now after the overhaul at Palmetto cove LOL LOL
uncle ned
New busnut here in Northeast Kansas
We bought 4104-3596 off an old farmstead a couple months ago.
It is an old conversion and we are working on her. Had been sitting for a while but shes already running and driving. Amazing machine!
Saved from the scrapyard!
Different Vern, Ned. This is my first bus and my first diesel. I am learning a lot of new things.
More new to me 4104 owners:
4104-4109 British Columbia
4104-4213 New York
4104-1753. Eugene, Oregon
4104-3272 Eugene, Oregon
4104-3061 Kentucky
Siberyd
Found 1957 GM PD 4104 for sale in NC. Here is a link in case you don't have it on your list.... http://hickory.craigslist.org/rvs/4594055573.html (http://hickory.craigslist.org/rvs/4594055573.html)
Thanks Gary,
Wow an ex Trailways with placards. Sent an email.
Siberyd
Jon do you have 4104-4104 listed in your records? Is it owned by Mel Tillis? Sorry, i couldn't resist that one!
Ed,
Love your humor.
Yes I do have 4104-4104 in my records. I show it being a converted coach in Parksville, BC Canada since 2012.
Siberyd
Do you have the list published anywhere? If not maybe I can host a list. I have something similar for a boat list.
It would be cool to be able to see who's who and pictures of the buses on the list.
Vern
Vern,
The list has been offered a home on 3 sites, its still in my brain, in 3 notebooks and a thumb dropped.The hardest part of my hobby project is making time to log it all down. One spreadsheet has 5,100 lines to fit
the original delivery list of all 5,065 buses made. Then I have a list of still a bus, converted and scrapped
Plus pictures. If the river dont rise to much. Will have something available for viewing in December.
Siberyd
Sweet. Well if you need any help let me know.
Help sounds good. Where to start. Will think about on route this afternoon.
Siberyd
Ultimately I would like to have something of a site or page that would show a picture of that coach or sister coach in delivery colors and how it looks today or when data on the coach was received.
But I am an oprrations guy & bus driver by trade. I have no clue how to take it to the next level. I know there is an interest in 4104's. Just look at the viewings on this subject line.
Siberyd
I have an IT background and can help with that kind of stuff. I could build a web based application with a database backend that would work for the list.
Are there any 4104 specific sites? If not would there be interest in starting one? I would be happy to set one up if there is enough interest. A place to collect information, with a forum, picture gallery, etc.
Vern
Nothing 4104 specific exists that I know about other than Gordie's this old bus blog, a 4104 blog in Spanish. GM wise we have Western GM Coach an FMCA chapter and ViewsRV where Fred has the 4104 manuals available for download.
Siberyd
More 4104's in my sights at the end of August.
4104-3236 Northern Minn.
4104-3260 Sighted by RJ Long in Fresno, CA
4104-0750 for sale Ebay, Logan Utah
4104-0008 oldest in my database has new owner in Texas
4104-0768 bought in OR, traveling to FL
4104-2754 for sale, Monterey, CA.
Siberyd
Found 4014-4228 sitting a few miles from my house. It is a conversion that now has someone living in it. He doesn't plan on ever driving it again just living in it. I am working with him to get his extra parts. I told him if he ever decides to sell the whole bus to let me know and I would see who wants her.
Hey Jon, does it have a tach drive on it? :)
Vern,
Thanks, will add another to the list. That makes 2 buses added this week so far.
Siberyd
Yeah, I won't go into the interior condition. Not pretty.
This weeks buses so far:
4104-4612 converted with front and rear caps. for sale in Oklahoma city OK
4104-4228 converted down the street from Vern
4104-3856 recently purchased location TBA
Siberyd
Bus 4104-0008, rebuild part 1. Jack Nelson Band Bus
:http://youtu.be/44rTV9RwAnI
I hope the Jack Nelson band registers that bus as commercial. Oh wait that was another thread.
Hi, we just picked bought 2754 that was listed on craigslist in Monterey. It has a recent conversion. As far as I can tell it was delivered to southeastern greyhound in 1957. And before being currently registered in California it was registered in Florida, and Tennessee before that.
Quote from: Lowball on September 22, 2014, 07:36:41 PM
Hi, we just picked bought 2754 that was listed on craigslist in Monterey. It has a recent conversion. As far as I can tell it was delivered to southeastern greyhound in 1957. And before being currently registered in California it was registered in Florida, and Tennessee before that.
Welcome aboard! Sounds like you got a serious upgrade from the SUV and old travel trailer. It will feel like luxury. Now don't spend all your fuel money on repairs. ;D
Found another 4104 while searching craigslist..... http://columbus.craigslist.org/rvs/4636105271.html (http://columbus.craigslist.org/rvs/4636105271.html)
Bronson thanks for the heads up.
Beautiful coach all the way around. Has an 8 speed hydro-shift transmission. This is one of the few with that special transmission. I sent him an email as usual requesting his serial number. Paws crossed.
Siberyd
Got info on 2 buses this week.
4104-1665 gone the way of the recycler.
4104-3361 converted and being well used in the Dakota oil fields as a home away from home.
Siberyd
#4150 sitting at a scrap yard waiting to be munched. Unless......
(https://busconversionmagazine.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi61.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh72%2Fstfagen%2F934ea64b-2842-481c-9ef9-edea50af54cf.jpg%3Ft%3D1415567339&hash=31b9618dced78db90364a0ca946f2dd81ec56f7a)
Where is this one Thor?
Siberyd
Great Falls, Montana
Strip everything off of it before it gets crushed.
Quote from: mung on November 09, 2014, 04:20:38 PM
Strip everything off of it before it gets crushed.
No parts or anything can be sold or removed due to insurance restrictions. Not for sale. Am trying to figure out a workaround for that particular problem. I am not even supposed to know that the bus is there.
Sounds like a brain teaser, please keep us posted on your results. I hate seeing them recycled but it is a fact of life for these old beauties.
Siberyd
Please add 4012. Somewhere in Nebraska.....about to be converted.
John,
Thanks for the serial number and location for the list.
Speaking of the list, I am changing the way, I am tracking the buses in the database. Been using Excel as my primary spreadsheet. A guy at work has created an Acess supported database.
So I am in the process of re-entering the 300+ buses.
Then with Mung's help and a couple others we will have the list posted for all to enjoy and have for reference.
Siberyd
You shouldn't have to re-enter them, you should be able to import the excel into access. But either way, once you have it in access, I can easily take that database and put it on a searchable web page.
I have no idea where it came from, and I have never seen it before, and it certainly can't be the same one that was mentioned before, but a bus will appear at the storage yard tomorrow. Certainly not the one that was scheduled to be scrapped because that one must have been scrapped cause it certainly isn't at the scrap yard anymore. Am I making myself perfectly clear?
The search goes on, I have received a couple of duplicate numbers this week. This is not a really big thing as I am rebuilding the database to add up to 2 owners per serial number, plus the original purchaser.
Siberyd
4104-3175 conversion alive and well in Florence, Oregon. Currently for sale. Someone that saw my ad in BCM sent me the info.
Siberyd
4104-3080 rescued from the scrappers torch and will now reside in Phoenix, AZ
Siberyd
You may already have these, here are three I found on craigslist.
http://columbus.craigslist.org/rvs/4757979708.html (http://columbus.craigslist.org/rvs/4757979708.html)
http://nashville.craigslist.org/rvs/4782197342.html (http://nashville.craigslist.org/rvs/4782197342.html)
http://hickory.craigslist.org/rvs/4750216325.html (http://hickory.craigslist.org/rvs/4750216325.html)
Bronson, thanks.for the links. Cant hurt to ask for serial numbers for the cause.
Siberyd
The Columbus Ohio bus claims to have an 8-speed Hydro-Shift transmission. Maybe one of the only ones left out there. Will attempt a phone call on Monday to get serial number.
Siberyd
4104-2948 is alive and well as a seated coach in Ohio. The gentlemen purchased it from a church in Florida that has owned it for the past 35 years. His intent is to leave it as a seated coach. They filmed Shawshank Redemption in his town. His other bus is the Ford/Bluebird bus used in the opening scene of the movie.
Siberyd
4104-3508 is alive and well as a conversion in Chicago IL. Regularly pulls a 24' trailer full of antique motorcycles to shows. A previous owner updated it with caps on front and back.
Siberyd
There is one in strafford n.h. Near blue job mtn , I have stopped and not any ne home but he has several buses from one 4104 to fishbowl and mci has caught my attn I will try and find out number for 4104 . It is a conversion...
Thanks forn keeping an.eye.out.
Siberyd
I just picked up 4104-3247. I'm guessing it was converted in the eighties. Originally delivered to western greyhound in 1958. I can see where the old greyhound lines decals used to be down the sides and on the bay door which says Chicago greyhound lines llc. If you have any additional info on my bus please let me know. The bus is now in Sidney B.C.
Thanks.
Carlito's
Congratulations and welcome to the crazy world of bus ownership. 4104-3247 was part of a 125 bus purchased 1958 by Western Greyhound Lines based in San Francisco, CA.
Traditionally Greyhound Lines would sell off their coaches at the 10 year mark at the end of summer. Then a smaller charter companies would buy them and hold them for an average of 10 years.
I will be checking my records on any info on your coach. I will also be sending you some 4104 related links.
Siberyd
Carlito's,
Checking my notes, I. don't have any other info on your coach. But including your coach, at least 12 coaches are still around from that Western Greyhound order of 125 buses.
Siberyd
Thanks for the info.
4104-0129 is still alive and well as a converted coach. Has had the same.owner for the last 30 years. Still has the original Vickers power steering.
Siberyd
4104-4004 converted for sale on Craigslist in Morgan Hill, CA.
Siberyd
Do you have your list posted anywhere? I'm sure you mentioned it in an earlier post I just can't find it.
Carlito's,
List is not yet posted, have approximately 300-350 coaches on the list. My Excel file got a gliitch in it and.I am rebuilding it in Access. Coaches are tracked by Still a bus, conversion and scrapped in an attempt to track most of the 5,065 coaches originally made.
Soon as I get them together, the list will be posted online. I have 4 groups offering it an online home.
Info on list that will be available for viewing by public from list will be:
Year
serial number
original owner
original fleet number
current status - bus, converted or scrapped
date added to list
owner
location: City, State/Province, Country
Notes: example - mine has factory installed skylights
Siberyd
Looking forward to seeing the list once completed. Skylights! Wow, that's a cool feature!
The.skylights brighten up the coach something else. Basically the front half of the coach has them. It was an option ftom the factory. Yosemite Park and Curry Company (my coach's original owner) ordered 4 coaches with them. Vermont Transit ordered 6 coaches with them. Don't know if there are any others that came with them. A lot of Scenicruisers came with that option too.
Siberyd
I am curious if your skylights are single pane glass, or thermopane? Skylights were standard on Scenics. From our research, it looks lile the first 500 Scenics had single pane glass thoughout, then the next batch had thermopane. Are your skylights slightly curved too? I wonder if they are the same as 4501.
The glass follows the the curved roof line, so I am leaning toward the glass being curved. There are 3 panels. 1st one behind the driver and last one in the center.of the coach (above the kitchen).
Siberyd
Can you tell if they are single pane or dual? Thanks
Emailed you photos, when I get home tonight, I will pull off the sun screens and check the ceiling.
Siberyd
Pulled the sun screens back and took a close look. Looks like a single pane of curved glass for each of the 3 skylights.
Siberyd
My photos are not compatible to this forum, if anyone is curious of what they.look like, shoot me an email and I will share inside and outside photos.
Siberyd
Inquiring minds wanted to know. These are September 1, 2014 numbers:
Conversions-278
Scrapped-33
Still a bus-19
Noted on web-20
Total-350
Conversion breakdown:
1953-42
1954-18
1955-15
1956-31
1957-47
1958-40
1959-40
1960-45
Siberyd
A friend and fellow bus nut in the Orlando area told me today that he saw GMC PD-4104-246 at a scrap metal yard this morning. Stripped of all desirable parts, being prepped for its journey to the shredder. It was a conversion, with yellow paint. Original 671 with stick shift.
Kirby,
Thanks for the update, will add it to the scrapped list.
Siberyd
Ser No 1038. Inverness FL. Converted but......
John,
Thanks for the number, did not have it on my list.
Siberyd
Inquiring minds wanted to know. These are January 27, 2015 numbers.
Conversions-326
Scrapped-33
Still a bus-22
Noted on web-20
Total-401
As I rebuild the database, I am expecting a higher total.
Siberyd
The newest bus on the list is:
4104-5050 a conversion, unknown owner and location.
Siberyd
May have it already but here it is anyway.
http://hickory.craigslist.org/rvs/4850753903.html (http://hickory.craigslist.org/rvs/4850753903.html)
Bronson,
Yes I have this one on the list. I am just amazed that.no one has bought his coach yet. 8,500 miles on a rebuilt engine. I know he wanted 60k for it a couple years back and has come down to the current price.
An ex-Trailways coach with placards on both sides.
I am seeing a trend. Coming about with prices going up on bus conversions across the board, maybe he will sell it this year.
Siberyd
Jon
Do you have this one yet? Take care
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-GMC-4104-RV-COACH-VIN-PD41041245-/181663992787?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2a4c048bd3&item=181663992787&pt=Buses#ht_69wt_1312 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-GMC-4104-RV-COACH-VIN-PD41041245-/181663992787?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2a4c048bd3&item=181663992787&pt=Buses#ht_69wt_1312)
Tom,
I do now, thanks. Check out the folding down wall. If I remember right, this bus was once owned by a preacher and he would fold down the wall and preach to his flock.
Siberyd
Tom,
I do now, thanks. Check out the folding down wall. If I remember right, this bus was once owned by a preacher and he would fold down the wall and preach to his flock.
Siberyd
Finally got all the 1953 coach's logged into the new database. Here is the breakdown :
Still a bus: 1
Scrapped : 3
Conversion : 58
Siberyd
Finally got all the 1954 coach's logged into the new database. Here is the breakdown :
Still a bus: 1
Scrapped : 4
Conversion : 22
1956 done:
Conversions: 31
Scrapped : 1
Bus:3
1957 done
Conversion : 61
Scrapped 5
Bus 6
Siberyd
1955 done.
Conversions: 17
Scrapped 0 reported
Still a bus 2
1958 Done
Conversions : 51
Bus: 3
1959 Done
Conversions;: 42
Bus 1
Siberyd
1960 Done
Conversions - 41
Scrapped - 5
Bus - 4
Siberyd
The most accurate listing today with all numbers now entered into the new database :
Conversions - 325
Still a bus - 21
Noted on web 28
Scrapped - 25
399 of 5,065 accounted for.
Siberyd
You may already know of this one I found in Albany Georgia today.
http://visitalbanyga.com/see/attractions_a-z/albany_civil_rights_institute (http://visitalbanyga.com/see/attractions_a-z/albany_civil_rights_institute)
I wanted to go to the museum to learn more history, and then saw this in a pamphlet in the hotel. Unfortunately I am here on business, and the museum closes at 4 and I won't be able to get there this trip. Maybe someone else in the area can check it out who is nearby. From the picture, it looks like the whole bus may be in there!
Great info for us 4104ers, Thanks Siberyd
Pabusnut,
Thanks for the info, I did not know about this museum. I have submited a contact request on their website. But I am learning more and more the PD 4104's made a mark in Civil Rights movement . In fact the 4104 that starred in The Shawshank Redemption and Selma is now owned by The National Center for the Study of Civil Rights and African-American Culture at Alabama State University in Montgomery, AL. I was contacted by them earlier this week looking for a place that can make repairs to their bus.
Siberyd
It has been a busy week for 4104 information. February 26th update;
Conversions - 352
Bus - 25
Noted on web- 28
Scrapped - 30
Making it 435 of 5,065 accounted for.
Siberyd
Pabusnut and everyone else,
From a bit of info, sometimes you get a lot.
About 30 years ago a bus company sold the front 1/3 of an old Trailways PD 4104-2023 to the Civil rights museum. The museum then did a controlled burn on that body of the bus to make it look right for the display. Afterwards they painted it in Greyhound colors for their Freedom Riders display. I have photos but they are the wrong format to be posted here. If you want to see what the front 1/3 of the 4104 looks like before and after, shoot me an email.
If you are in the dark about what the Freedom Riders were here is a link, I was born in 1959 and did not ever hear about this, until I started this 4104 project.
http://www.history.com/topics/black-history/freedom-rides (http://www.history.com/topics/black-history/freedom-rides)
Siberyd
4104-0528 is alive and well as a conversion in Great Falls, Montana.
Siberyd
There is one just outside of Asheville N C on the Marshall highway in Alexander .It is in a fenced area and looks like it is being cannibalized for parts.I know that two left side bin doors are gone.Where are the serial numbers on these things? If I can get close enough to it without getting shot ,I will see if I can find it .
The tool door outside and under the drivers window. Open the door and the number is stamped on the frame. Will appear 4104-xxxx.
Siberyd
There is one here listed for sale. Maybe you don't have it.
http://www.tejascoach.com/consignbus.html#Conversions (http://www.tejascoach.com/consignbus.html#Conversions)
Thanks, sent an inquiry.
Siberyd
4104 -3228 conversion in southern California Listed for sale
Siberyd
4104-0443 is alive and well as a conversion based out of Fallbrook, CA and San Felipe, Mexico.
Siberyd
Hi Jon,
This one is now on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1956-GMC-PD-4104-Conversion-Ready-for-Tiny-House-Living/111656889262?_trksid=p2054897.c100204.m3164&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140407115239%26meid%3D288325b1986b4abc9ede7331d1e36858%26pid%3D100204%26rk%3D25%26rkt%3D30%26sd%3D261868315332 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1956-GMC-PD-4104-Conversion-Ready-for-Tiny-House-Living/111656889262?_trksid=p2054897.c100204.m3164&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140407115239%26meid%3D288325b1986b4abc9ede7331d1e36858%26pid%3D100204%26rk%3D25%26rkt%3D30%26sd%3D261868315332)
Will you be coming to BGW at Paul's on Memorial Day weekend?
Hope to see you there,
John
John,
Thanks for the link, will send an email and see if I can get a number.
I will be at the.event at Pauls. Not sure.which day and which bus.
Siberyd
Got this one? 1957 PD4104 on Craigslist http://columbus.craigslist.org/rvs/4952013438.html (http://columbus.craigslist.org/rvs/4952013438.html)
Bronson,
Yes I have that one. It is the only 8 speed on my list and currently resides in Loxahatchee, Florida.
Siberyd
Hi Jon
I have been communicating with a fellow who lives in Puerto Rico. He bought Fred and I's Scenicruiser book, and sent me a nice letter through the publisher. We have been talking; first by letters, and more recently via email. I am not sure if he speaks English, but I'm guessing he does, as his hand writting is beautiful. His favorite coach is the GM 4104s. So I asked him if he knew of any around his area. He sent me the following info about one at this location:
Autobuses De Puerto Rico Inc. Carolina,PR ph#787-701-3605 (I'm guessing a repair outfit or salvage yard). He will be sending me photos of the bus soon. So if you have a spanish speaking friend, you could probably call down there, and get the serial number. I'll bet lots of 04s went to Cuba, PR, South America, Mexico, and elsewhere. Take care
Tom
Okay. My first contributing post. This one is #PD 4104 - 4612. For sale in Kansas. http://kansascity.craigslist.org/rvs/4957010591.html (http://kansascity.craigslist.org/rvs/4957010591.html)
Tom,
Working on finding an interperter.
John,
Thanks for the info, I have seen photos of this coach before, but never with the serial number.
PD 4104 update
Conversion 361
Seated bus 24
Noted on web 28
Scrapped. 31
Still around. 413
Accounted for 444
I can't remember if I've reported mine for your list.
We purchased PD4104-1553 in Rathdrum, ID, in May I think. It's a 1955 model.
It has the one-piece door and driver's windows, except for the inset toll/ticket window. It has a full set of windows, though they look like the glass has been shuffled around. One even has a bullet hole... The escape door is intact and functional.
It's been converted to an RV and completely remodeled at least once. We're going to do it again. We have some fun plans in store for it.
It was never a 'hound or Trailways bus. It was purchased new by Indian Trails Bus Company in 1955 as coach 106. At the time, Indian Trails named all of their coaches after Michigan native American chiefs. I have a call in to them trying to find out who ours was named after.
and finally, a plea for help:
The accelerator cable is frozen in the housing, so we can't drive it. I've tried various penetrating oils at each end, to no avail. I've tried a slide hammer on the back end (after disassembling the cable ends) and all I've managed to do is shorten the cable.
Does anyone know how get the inner cable out of the housing when it's this stuck? I've inspected almost the entire length of the housing, and it's not crushed or bent anywhere I can see. It has to be corrosion or a dirty cable.
My next step will be to apply heat to the ends of the housing in the hopes that it's solidified grease holding it up. I'll try a better clamp on the inner cable and constant tension instead of the slide hammer. Other than that, I'm out of ideas. If it doesn't work I'll probably have to run a completely new cable parallel to the original one.
Les
Les
Worth a try. Check with motorcycle repair shops they have a fitting that goes on a motorcycle cable to lube. Maybe modified and a little more pressure you can put some fresh kerosene or penetrating oil through it
Rick
Quote from: Rick 74 MC-8 on July 29, 2015, 09:02:11 AM
Les
Worth a try. Check with motorcycle repair shops they have a fitting that goes on a motorcycle cable to lube. Maybe modified and a little more pressure you can put some fresh kerosene or penetrating oil through it
Rick
Great idea, thanks!
Hey Les. My cable was pretty much the same. After putting up with it a few years, it finally got so bad, I replaced it with a new cable for a 40' MCI. I should have done that right away.
Quote from: John Z on July 29, 2015, 09:06:58 AM
Hey Les. My cable was pretty much the same. After putting up with it a few years, it finally got so bad, I replaced it with a new cable for a 40' MCI. I should have done that right away.
I'll look into that too.
Thanks,
Les
Les,
Thanks for the info on your coach. What City and State do you call home?
Siberyd
This week I have corresponded with 6 PD 4104 owners. I am hoping to have an update to the list by next Friday.
Siberyd
4104-4198 is alive and well as a conversion in Gasden Alabama.
Siberyd
4104-2594 survives and is awaiting finding someone to finish its conversion in Trimble Missouri.
Siberyd
4104-3327 alive and well as a conversion in Northern California.
Siberyd
4104-2212 alive and well as a conversion on Prince Edward Island in Canada.
Siberyd
4104-1320 is a conversion alive and well in Lake Placid, Florida.
4104-0540 has been converted into a mobile kitchen "food bus"? And is running around somewhere in Germany. Waiting on photos and details.
Siberyd
4104-0003 the first coach sold to Greyhound Lines is alive and well as a conversion in Lake Placid, Florida. Making it the oldest coach on my surviving 4104 list.
0001 was exported to Mexico
0002 was exported to Cuba.
Siberyd
Do you have this one? May need to do some traveling to get it if you don't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82_MYrhIQCs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82_MYrhIQCs)
Chessie, think that someone sent me it.
Siberyd
1954 PD 4104-1186 Survives as a bus conversion for a heavy metal band out of Arizona by the name of Four Skin. They are currently on tour in the Pacific Northwest. A fellow bus nut saw them in a heap of black smoke on the interstate earlier in the week. Sent them RJ Long's Shifting Guide, hopefully it will help them.
Siberyd
Chessie,
The green bus in the video is 4104--4196. It lives in a temperature controlled garage and has 2 detailers polishing it when not on the road. Another 4104 seen on YouTube is Turismo Santa Rita 4104-1916. This coach is actually used on request for charters.
PD 4104's are very popular in South America. There are currently 10-15 buses in private collections or in storage in Brazil alone. Uraguay has several running around, and yes I have a bus guy trying to track down those serial numbers for me.
Siberyd
PD 4104-3093
Converted,
Lives in Monroeville, Alabama
Been setting for several years.
May be for sale.
Please tell me what you know about it.
4104-3093 a 1958 coach. Part of the first 1958 coaches manufactured. Originally purchased by Eastern Greyhound Lines. Total of 75 coaches in that order. Will check my computer tonight and see what else I may have.
Siberyd
Do you have this one Jon?
http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/rvs/5299702386.html (http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/rvs/5299702386.html)
Saw it posted in another post here. Take care
Tom,
Thanks, and serial number is listed on the ad to boot.
Siberyd
I've seen this one.
I think it will be parted out, but I'm not sure.
November 2015 seems to an interesting month so far. It is November 9th and I have 9 new to me 4104 coaches. Hopefully by Turkey day I will have an update to post.
Siberyd
Been a busy year, lost some notes so I am a lil bèhind here with my updates. Hopefully will get something posted soon.
Getting all the GM buses in my database is a lil rougher than I thought.
Siberyd
April is a busy month for 4104 purchases. 2 folks have announced on forums and a couple more on Facebook. As soon as I get the serial numbers from the Facebook folk I will update the list.
Siberyd
Is this one on your list?
https://m.facebook.com/The-Mothership-1960-GMC-Pd4104-Conversion-bus-for-sale-1547086058886820/?ref=m_notif¬if_t=group_activity
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No, don't have this one. Will send an inquiry. About 40% respond to my inquiry.
Siberyd
Thanks Scott, I appreciate the help. Having wifi issues today. My time online keeps skippin
Quote from: siberyd on April 21, 2016, 07:10:02 AMNo, don't have this one. Will send an inquiry. About 40% respond to my inquiry.
Siberyd
Interesting. The note says that the bus is in Chapel Hill, NC but the phone area code for is the part of the state west of I-77. Good luck getting this bus on your list.
Got crickets, or no response. But got a few more hits on Facebook and 1 on my BCM ad. Now just need to sit down with my notes and masterlist and get a new set of numbers to post.
Siberyd
I just picked up a 1958 VIN PD41043853. It was converted to an RV by Custom Coaches in the 90's and is currently sitting in Albuquerque with a catastrophic drive failure that may put it's future in doubt...
(https://busconversionmagazine.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs32.postimg.org%2Fbe7bcztkh%2FPD4104.jpg&hash=da8af6e131ca7b1fdf9fea002019f4aeb311f0bf) (http://postimg.org/image/be7bcztkh/)
Clark
Hi Jon,
I just got back from a month in Mexico, and when in Aguascalientes I saw what seemed to be a 4104 in the bus station there. I only briefly saw it while driving by, and I couldn't go back to get a better look, but it had a three-piece rear window with the wide central glass and two narrow side flanking pieces. Are there any other buses that used this same rear window design? I find it hard to believe that a half-century old bus could still be in revenue service, even in MX. Most of the other local and second-class services there are handled by older Mercedes-Benz and Dina buses, including some displaced from earlier first-class services that now have modern MAN, Volvo and Scania buses, so an old 4104 (if that is what it was) is a rarity indeed. However, anything's possible - I saw an old two-axle Sultana in local service in Huatusco, and there are still some Detroit-powered Dinas and others trundling their sonorous way around the rural backroads far from the big cities.
Have you heard of any 4104s in service in Mexico?
John
PS - will you be at Paul's for BGW VIII this coming Mem Day?
Clark believe there would ever be a catastrophic failure on a 04. Some where on this board there are people with the means to repair
a 04.
they just keep on rolling along
uncle ned
John,
Yes to BGM, and yes it is possible that an 04 is still in service down there. I have heard that there were 2 hauling folks around different villages.
I know of 2 conversions in trailer parks and 2 in private collections. I have serial numbers for the 2 in the trailer parks and 1 privately owned coach. Each of the elusive 04's that have been spotted at bus terminals, escape from view before the contact can take another look or stop and check it out.
Your's my friend is the 4th sighting of one of 2 rumored to be in service.
Siberyd
Do you know where the other possible sightings were? If some of the others were near Aguascalientes, you may have a positive lead on an actual 4104 still in service there.
A few years ago I saw an Eagle in revenue service at Tijuana's Central Camionera, so anything's possible!
John
June 15th, the 4104 was seen in Auguascaliente yet again. And made it's stealthy appearence and dissappeared before it's pursuer could get turned around. Nice to see one of the old girls still in revenue service.
Siberyd
Where does the time go. 95k hits on my little part-time, find time project.
Here is a little update:
In December I scratched out these numbers:
By serial number.
Seated coaches. 27
Conversion. 388
Noted on web. 28
Subtotal. 445
Siberyd
Recent new conversions to my list:
4104-1584 Las Vegas, NV
4104-1162 Demming, NM
4104-0641 Milford, MI
4104-0422 Ohio
4104-1721 Florida
4104-4777 unknown
4104-1073 San Luis Obispo, CA
4104-0561 Mexico
4104-4028 unknown
The reason for odd locations, some folks won't tell me their city and state.
Siberyd
Couple of new coaches added to the list last week.
4104-1957 conversion, possibly in Ohio
4104-4552 conversion Colorado
Siberyd
August 2016 totals:
Seated coaches. 28
Noted on web. 27
Conversions. 424
For a total. 479
A seated 4104 lives in Riverside County, CA.
4104-1804 a 1956 coach originally purchased by the
San Diego Transit System. This one makes the 4th ex San Diego bus, still in California.
Siberyd
9/13/16 update
Seated coaches. 29
Noted on web. 28
Conversions. 434
Total. 491
4104 tracking update
Seated. 29
Noted on web. 29
Conversion. 440
Total. ... 498
Do you have any possible converted 4104s near Novato CA? On one of the rural roads west of Novato just beyond the golf course there is what appears to be an old GM in a small farm next to the road, complete with A/C on the roof. It's always been there every time I've driven by - next time I'm up there I'll try to get a better look at it.
I used to see what looked like a 4104 just off the I-5 when driving south, somewhere near Carlsbad or Solana Beach, parked on a hillside near some houses among the eucalyptus trees, but the last few times I've driven I-5 South I haven't seen it. I wonder if it's one of the ex-SD buses?
John
John,
I know of one in San Jose and 2 in Berkeley. None on my list for Novato.
Siberyd
Former San Diego Transit coaches 4 of 7 coaches found:
Coach 1002 4104-1804 Seated, CA
Coach 1003 4104-2326 Unknown status
Coach 1004 4104-2327 Conversion, CA
Coach 1005 4104-3578 Unknown status
Coach 1006 4104-3679 Unknown status
Coach 1007 4104-4967 Seated, CA
Coach 1008 4104-4698 Conversion, CA
Siberyd
For what it is worth, my seated coach is for sale to a dedicated buyer.
Thor, what part of the country are you?
We have a PD 4104 group on Facebook, I will post it there for you if you would like.
Siberyd
Great Falls Mt, you have me on your list. I have 4150 that was saved from the crusher a couple of years ago. I never intended to keep it, I just wasn't going to see it destroyed.
Thor, thanks for saving another one!
4104-0671 never a bus, still survives. Currently for sale in the midwest for 35k.
Looking for information on 3 coaches. What is their current status and locations. These are basically formerly ownd coaches and there is a curiosity if they are still around:
4104-2885
4104-2730
4104-2979
Siberyd
4104-0671 Originally purchased by the Fisher Body Company and made in to a custom conversion was recently sold to a new owner in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
This coach has a custom made viewing deck on the roof with access from inside a closet in the coach.
Siberyd
Sure would like to see a photo of that one...
Couple of new buses to add to list.
4104-1855 bus conversion, Chico CA
4104-0394 tour bus, Chico CA
Same owner both coaches.
Here is the link to the unique bus with the roof deck.
http://showroom.auction123.com/vehicle_selling_solutions/inventory/11537/PD41047671.html (http://showroom.auction123.com/vehicle_selling_solutions/inventory/11537/PD41047671.html)
Quote from: siberyd on February 06, 2017, 12:58:49 PM
Here is the link to the unique bus with the roof deck.
http://showroom.auction123.com/vehicle_selling_solutions/inventory/11537/PD41047671.html (http://showroom.auction123.com/vehicle_selling_solutions/inventory/11537/PD41047671.html)
Cool you could play Putt Putt on the roof!
;D BK ;D
Dateline - Aguascalientes, Mexico
I've got some more info about the elusive 4104 that I saw last year at the bus station here, apparently still in service. A few days ago I took the Primera Plus service from here to Mexico City, and while waiting to get my bag of food and goodies before boarding I asked some Primera Plus staff about the 'muy viejo camión GM Americano'. Amazingly one of them knew of it, and he said he thinks it runs only during the annual fair here, the Feria de San Marcos (maybe the largest fair in North America), possibly as a relief service to one of the smaller towns near here. He said he's not seen it at any other time except then. Unfortunately I'll be gone from here before the fair starts this year, so there's no chance of my finding out more for now - last year I was here during the fair, hence my sighting of it. If I could ride it to wherever it goes, wouldn't that be fun to be in a 60 years old GM still in revenue service? I saw an Eagle at Tijuana's Central Camionera a few years ago, still in service and sounding good with its 8V71. Who knows what other gems are still in service here? I did see a complete-looking DINA Olimpico in a truck junkyard here, so if anyone's looking for one you know where to go!
I'm off to Tampico tomorrow for a few days, so I'll keep my eyes open for anything else interesting.
Juan
Thanks for update John. See you weren't crazy after all. We got a 4th confirmation on the old gal.
Siberyd
S/N 4259 on your roster? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-GMC-PD-4104-coach-bus-motor-home-conversion-Orginal-owner-since-NEW-/222461605380?hash=item33cbbeb604:g:JXcAAOSwU8hY4b99&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-GMC-PD-4104-coach-bus-motor-home-conversion-Orginal-owner-since-NEW-/222461605380?hash=item33cbbeb604:g:JXcAAOSwU8hY4b99&vxp=mtr)
Thanks for the recent Scenicruiser S/N referral. Owner and I have been talking. I had lost track of that one since 2007. Great to know it is still around.
Quote from: pd4501-771 on April 03, 2017, 03:04:13 PM
S/N 4259 on your roster? (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-GMC-PD-4104-coach-bus-motor-home-conversion-Orginal-owner-since-NEW-/222461605380?hash=item33cbbeb604:g:JXcAAOSwU8hY4b99&vxp=mtr)
Wow. Needs some work but what a find (for someone).
On my list now, thanks.
Tom, I was happy to connect the 2 of.you. A seated Scenicruiser has got to be a rare gem nowadays.
Siberyd
Jon,
Here's another in Naples, FL. (not sure if you have seen this one). A guy on the Monkey site posted it. He has agreed to attempt to get S/N.
Nope, never seen that one before, looks like a unique one. Can't wait to get a series number. Thanks.
Siberyd
S/N 3065 just bought in Naples, FL by Adrian of Sarasota, FL. He already owns a Scenicruiser. Installed batteries, changed some tires, fired right up. Considering driving home the 126 miles, or maybe Landoll. Update photos and video over on Bus Grease Monkey site. Another great save!
2971-3070 12/57 Southeastern Greyhound Lines M1260-M1359 (Lexington KY)
Thanks Tom,
I will add her to the list.
Siberyd
Jon, I saw PD4104-3901 (motor home) today at the American Truck Historical Society Nationals in Des Moines, Iowa. Owned by Jerome Comcowich. He lives part time in Hawaii, and the bus home base is Denver, CO.
Thanks Tom,
A new one for the list.
Siberyd
You may already have these ones down but this ad is for one PD 4104 and says they have two 4104's for parts for a potential total of 3 new additions to your list. Hope this helps, apologies if it is a redundancy!
http://busesonline.com/single-bus/?busNumber=3741#sthash.R0pfIEz5.dpuf&utm_source=June+2017&utm_campaign=June+2017&utm_medium=email (http://busesonline.com/single-bus/?busNumber=3741#sthash.R0pfIEz5.dpuf&utm_source=June+2017&utm_campaign=June+2017&utm_medium=email)
Quote from: jav9956 on June 01, 2017, 09:31:21 AM...this ad is for one PD 4104 and says they have two 4104's for parts ...
It says Chapel Hill NC -- two miles from my fiancee's house. If an eyeball needs to be put on it, that eyeball could be mine. Let me know.
BH
Bruce,
If you could wander by and get the serial numbers for the scrap buses it would be awesome. I have asked for them and they have yet to come.back to me with those numbers.
Thanks
Siberyd
Quote from: siberyd on June 01, 2017, 09:22:15 PMBruce,
If you could wander by and get the serial numbers for the scrap buses it would be awesome. I have asked for them and they have yet to come.back to me with those numbers.
Thanks
Siberyd
Any idea where they're located in town??? Thanks, BH
Bruce,
Sorry, they haven't returned my inquiries. Maybe they will respond to your contact because you are local.
Siberyd
Quote from: siberyd on June 02, 2017, 10:30:02 PMBruce,
Sorry, they haven't returned my inquiries. Maybe they will respond to your contact because you are local.
Siberyd
Just going out of town through a couple of days next week. Will call on Monday and try to see them Weds or Thurs. BH
Cool, thanks.
Picked this up from Grease Monkey site. Not sure if you have this one yet:
"I am John Brewer from Phoenix, Va.I drive trucks and repair also. Love working on old cars, trucks and now a 1953 4104-655 GM converted coach. It was fully converted in 78.Currently it is in Kentucky, but will be coming home in a few weeks. Then it will be in Charlotte Court House, Va"
Take care
Tom
Thanks Tom,
I am not on Grease Monkey, I have a hard enough time keeping up with 5 Facebook groups. I appreciate you watching out for me. In June I found 5 more. I will have to do another update.
Siberyd
I have 10 new coaches to add to the list this week including the bus formally know as Savitar. Cartop has been removed, interior gutted and is being converted into a mobile clothing store. This coach is currently residing in Oxnard, CA.
Siberyd
Quote from: siberyd on August 07, 2017, 01:56:28 PMI have 10 new coaches to add to the list this week including the bus formally know as Savitar. Cartop has been removed, interior gutted and is being converted into a mobile clothing store. This coach is currently residing in Oxnard, CA.
Siberyd
Looks like the cartop was on in the 1950s. http://theoldmotor.com/?p=41562 (http://theoldmotor.com/?p=41562)
GM Survivor's list updated today:
3751 - 7
4101 - 1
4103 - 10
4104 - 523
4106 - 109
4107 - 26
4108 - 5
4903 - 2
4905A - 24
H8H649A - 5
I am still tracking down all the surviving buses. Lots of overtime flowing my way in the way of field trips lately. More driving than parking so I haven't been updating this list lately.
Siberyd
Not sure if you have our latest information:
4106-2412 - Totalled fall 2017. Going to be auctioned as parts bus in Des Moines IA at Duke point.
P8M4108A-125 Our current bus in SE Wisconsin
Richard
1974 GMC P8M4108A-125 (Current bus)
1964 GM PD4106-2412 (totalled Sept 2017)
Located in beautiful Wisconsin
KD9GRB
Howdy,
I'm new to the forum.
I have a 1957 PD 4104- #2818.
As far as I know she was fully converted to an RV in Utah, then sold and converted with some vintage seating to a 'Bustaurant' named 'Diamond Lil' working in California. She is currently mine, and I have listed her for sale in the classifieds. She is such a gem, but I probably should have checked with my hubby before bringing her home. :D
She runs well, has had recent work, and is still in SF Bay Area.
Thanks so much for keeping track of all these beautiful busses.
Thanks everyone.
Siberyd
Just finished doing the 4104 update for the Google Drive file.
Please review and let me know if I need to make any corrections.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B84ijqjo582Zd1hST3FadHFvZWM/edit
Siberyd
The list is still going and going like the Energizer bunny. No I haven't stopped or given up.
I work on the list in my free time and sometimes there is none.
I was under the weather in half of August and finished out the month in the hospital.
So I am slowly working my way back to the project.
Siberyd
Are you also putting together lists of the other GM buses? Like 4108?
Richard,
Yes I am crazt enough to be doing that. Here are the ones I am tracking:
3751
4101
4102
4103
4104
4106
4107
4108
4903
4905
4905A
H8H
Not Scenicruisers, that's Tom Mcnally's project. I got the process started and I am open to volunteers that may want to take on a bus series. This is a as time allows project.
Siberyd
Then please add ours to your list (if I haven't already sent it to you).
1974 GMC P8M4108a-125
Conversion by Custom Coach in 1974. Sold to Super Service Bus Company in 1974 as a 'house car'.
Still going strong in Wisconsin
Richard,
Thanks, I will.
Siberyd
Busy week for 4104s
4104-4135 a conversion currently in Idaho, soon to be in Arizona.
4104-3925 conversion in Michigan
4104-4013 scrapped parts bus, Michigan
4104-0254 conversion in Virginia
4104-4219 conversion sighted in Blackwell, OK
Siberyd
Here's another 04.
https://www.busconversionmagazine.com/forum/index.php?topic=33556.0 (https://www.busconversionmagazine.com/forum/index.php?topic=33556.0)
PD4104-3456 Richard Farris, Florida
Thanks Tom,
Current 4104 numbers as of 10/17/18
Conversions-502
Seated-30
Noted on web-27
Total 559
Siberyd
Richard Farris posted a lead on three more at one location.
https://www.busconversionmagazine.com/forum/index.php?topic=33556.new#new (https://www.busconversionmagazine.com/forum/index.php?topic=33556.new#new)
Tom,
Thanks, I know of Roger. He has and bus and sells 4104s. Last year he sold a former preacher's 4104 that had a fold out preaching pulpit on the right side. It went to the owner of a GM dealer in Germany.
He also has a lot of parts for 4104s too.
Siberyd
This is from grease monkey.com
QuoteThanks, Tom. Yes this PD4106 is # 984. I also have two other friends here in Las Vegas, one who has a RV converted 1958 PD4104 (6L71, Spicer 4 spd manual) that has been running about for awhile (we were in it at the Quartzite bus meetup ear The other just got theirs a few months ago--a RV converted 1962 PD 4106 (8V92 and Allison automatic). He had it towed to his place; the person he got it from said it hadn't been used for 8 years. I can get those numbers too if there is interest.
I have asked for the other mentioned serials too. #984 belongs to "Dirk" in Las Vegas. (motor home) Take care
My 04 as mentioned on BGM by my friend Dirk is 2836 and already on the list as converted living in Vegas. Name could be corrected from "groete" in to "Aart". I do still live in Amsterdam my self.
Done,
Thanks for the correction.
Siberyd
H8h-649. A128 being scrapped.
Here's one from bus grease monkey site: "Clayten" Vancouver island, B.C. owns Serial # PD 4104 3201 (motor home)
In case you missed this one on FB (S/N 794)
https://sacramento.craigslist.org/rvs/d/mount-shasta-1960-gmc-bus-in-mt-shasta/6806166687.html (https://sacramento.craigslist.org/rvs/d/mount-shasta-1960-gmc-bus-in-mt-shasta/6806166687.html)
Registration card shown in ad states as 1960. Obviously something does not add up. Either S/N or year is incorrect on card. I hate when I almost get a lead!
Tom,
Maybe 4104-4794?
Siberyd
Maybe? Date makes sense for number. You would have to verify with seller. I have not had the greatest luck getting info directly from CL sellers re: S/Ns. If you can speak to them on the phone, you have a shot. Rarely do I get replies via CL messages.
Tom,
My response rate from CL adds is 1 in 150. And those people say they will get back to me. Still waiting.
Siberyd
Greetings, June 2019 update.
Some more buses to add to the survivors list
4104-0275 - Mexico
4104-0351 - Arizona
4104 -1790 - California
4104 - 2754 - California
4104 - 4225 - unknown
Siberyd
Jon, nice find! Those production numbers are all over the place... We appreciate what you do, especially all us 4104 owner's. It's nice to know there were & still are a lot of 4104s around. A dying breed maybe but will still be around for a long time. We're currently road tripping in Alaska again from Florida. Gotta say all the time & $$$ put into the unit repairs & maintenance on the bus while in the FL bus barn is really paying off on the road. She's running like a top and have spent 1000s less so far than the 1st trip. 2 months down, 3 months to go. Thanks again...
Thanks Dan.
Siberyd
Drum roll please. 4104 list updated
643 buses now on list.
Breakdown as follows:
Seated bus - 29
Conversions- 549
Noted on Web -27
Scrapped-38
A bus was brought back from being scrapped.
Got a sudden influx of new GM bus owners to collect info on. Hopefully new numbers to add to the 4104. List mid month.
Siberyd
Hey! Where'd my Drum role go?!
Good question, I don't have control of the site. Bummer it left. It was quite good.
Siberyd
A 4104 alive and well in Cuba.
Siberyd
An elusive 4104 has finally been caught on film in Mexico. English John was the first one to tell me about a 4104 still in revenue service in Mexico over 5 years ago. . Well yesterday a photo of this bus was posted on Facebook. Trying to get permission from the poster to share a photo of the coach here.
Siberyd
I guess those things happen when your not so popular...
In addition to the 4104 I saw in Aguascalientes, looking very small in the main bus station there next to all the double-deckers and Volvo 9700s and other modern buses, I also saw a Cummins-engined three-axle Sultana in the wilds of remote mountainous Veracruz state still in revenue service, and an Eagle complete with a healthy-sounding unmuffled 8V71 leaving Tijuana early one morning with a full load of passengers. There was also a succession of newer DINAs with 6V92s leaving Mexico City's southern bus terminal one day when I was there, and a Flxible-copy DINA Olimpico also in Veracruz state, all these older buses with six- or seven-speed manual transmissions and often sounding like they have straight pipes. So, if you want to see, hear, and maybe even travel in, a bus that in this country would be preserved or converted, then they're still out on the road in that wonderful amazing country south of the border. Yeah!
John
October 15, 2019 update
Total of 617 coaches
29 seated
561 conversions
27 noted on the web, no serial number.
Siberyd
Awesome Jon! About 12% of the almost 70 year old original 4104 fleet is still on the road... 8)
4104-4231 reporting in from NH!
Rob,
Thanks, you are added to the list.
Siberyd
Cool pic Jon. How did you get that photo? I wonder if they have any info about 4501s in Cuba? Thanks
Tom
Tom,
I have a Cuban friend that is still in contact with fellow bus nuts in Cuba. I will pose the question, photos are nearly impossible to get out of the country and I am going on a year waiting for this 4104's serial number.
Siberyd
Thanks. Very interesting. Take care.