Here are some pictures of my project to use two 15,000btu Penquin roof top airs in the basement. Reason-Penguins are about $800.00 each, the same 14,000btu basement air is around $1,800.00. So with two I'm saving $2,000.00. The units are mounted on a plywood "table". You can see the PVC pipe adapters for the condensate drains. First two pictures are the under side-what it looks like from the factory, then with the ducts in place. Good Luck, TomC
Here's the top of the A/C with the shroud off-first what it looks like from the factory.
And here's with the shroud off with the condenser duct modified to use my designed 7" x 5.5" into 6" round duct. First with the top off then with the plywood cover to keep the air flow suction through the condenser.
And a final picture of both units ready to install but without the flex duct (and lots of mess around-but we all know about that!). Good Luck, TomC
Why did you go this route rather than mini splits, which have far higher SEER ratings and a similar price to what you paid for the roof airs? I realize mini splits are not rated for RV use, but many people report that they work fine.
That said, I admire your work on this project.
I am modifying a 5,000 btu window air conditioner to cool water, which I plan to use to cool my bus at night when the AC is not running.
Kevin Warnock
http://kevinwarnock.com (http://kevinwarnock.com) - my blog
Hey Tom,
I love where you are going with this but also curious to see your response to Kevin.
Tom,
Do you have cold feet yet? lol
Kevin-I thought about going with the mini-splits, but couldn't figure a way to make the condenser unit vent without a huge duct system. The Penguin has an incredibly strong squirrel cage blower on the condenser side that will easily vent through a 6" flex duct through the floor to an underneath 90 degree (facing back) deflector duct with screen to keep small critters out.
But the main reason is-if the mini-split goes bad and you have to get a new one on the road-where are you going to get it? The Penguin is available at any Camping World and any other RV supply shop. With the modifications I've made now to these units, if one of them goes south, I'll just buy a new one and probably take less then 2 hours to replace.
Running on someone else's power pole in a campground, I don't care what the SEER is. Even on the generator, I don't think the lower SEER would make too much difference (maybe a few gallons a year) in fuel consumption. Plus-I like the challenge of making something work that's not supposed to. Good Luck, TomC
Tom; you know I use mini now but I have room for them because of the differances in bus design and luxury there fore of a back up ac built in. In the 89 we are still using untill the new build is finished; I did a very similar project with room air conditioners from Lowes. still working great 7 years later. Only add on I did was add a small 20 inch ceiling hugger fan from Lowes over drivers seat to pull heat off roof to keep layering effect of heat and cool. Nice clean work enjoy!
Quote from: TomC on February 02, 2012, 11:11:12 PM
Plus-I like the challenge of making something work that's not supposed to. TomC
Isn't that why we all thses conversions? Jack
;) :)
Looks real good, Tom. Wish my Penguins were in the bays!
What did you do with the lower plastic covers? Been looking for new plastic but can't find them anywhere.
I didn't order the lower plastic, inside units since I wasn't going to use them. I do have two outside shrouds if anyone wants them at a reduced rate that CW charges. Good Luck, TomC
Robert, can you elaborate on the "room" air conditioners in you 89? What kind, how installed etc.?
Thanks
Fred
While I am also going the mini-split route, I think that there is a place for this swap. For example, if you had basement air setup with all the ducting already run, and the basement air unit died. Lots less surgery to adapt the penguin units than to tear it all out and put in mini splits. I also bet it's quieter than mini-splits, because no fan inside the bus. I have tinnitus and fan noise can some days save me and other days make me homicidal. Condenser airflow might be easier to manage as well. And if everybody did the same thing we'd all have Eagles with beige interior and what fun would that be?
Awesome work Tom. One of my projects in the future is to install a basement air or at least have a duct system for air distribution. I remember looking at a professional Eagle conversion once that had a basement air setup ( I think it was a custom job), but I noticed the bay the A/C was mounted in wasn't vented. I would have thought it needed a vent system for the hot air? When considering air distribution, how far can the A/C blow the cold air and still be effective?
Do you have these pics on the net somewhere in larger form?
I had to reduce them way down (from my 10.2 mega pixel camera). Is there a way to post the picts bigger? Good Luck, TomC
I use webshots. I am sure other folks will have better alternatives. It's easy to use and to the capacity I use it, it is free.
http://community.webshots.com/user/mike4104tx?vhost=community (http://community.webshots.com/user/mike4104tx?vhost=community)
Quote from: JackConrad on February 03, 2012, 05:01:32 AM
Quote from: TomC on February 02, 2012, 11:11:12 PM
Plus-I like the challenge of making something work that's not supposed to. TomC
Isn't that why we all do these conversions? Jack
You said it brother.........
You see the new S&S using the self contained units made by Airxcel (RVP-Coleman) for basement air now a dealer told me they run around 1000 bucks for the ParkPac model fwiw over 500 cfm and draw 15 or less amps