Hey, for all you fellow nerds.... we now have exactly 1K members :D
Or if you prefer, that's 400 in hex, or 2000 in octal, or 10000000000 in binary!! ::)
And what I find really ironic, is that as I type this post, we also have EXACTLY 2K topics!!!!
Today a Kilo--- Tomorrow a Gig!
Onward and Upward.
Craig,
I guess I am half a geek as it took me a few minutes to get what you where saying. 8)
Very Funny ;D
Cliff
Grumy
Actually 1000 members would be
HEX------> 03E8
OCTAL--> 1750
BINARY-> 0000 0011 1110 1000
When It's 1024 members you would be correct
Pete RTS/Daytona
30 years - IBM Systems Engineer/Instructor
You can take the Instructor out of the Classroom - But - You can't take the Classroom out of the Instructor
Hey Pete,
I think Craig said 1K members, not 1,000. That was the geekness. We do have 1024 members. :D
Best Regards, Phil
OOOOOPS - Sorry Grumpy -
I just Looked at the stats - 1024 members
Damn - maybe I've been away from the classroom too long
Sorry - I'll be more carefull
Your RIGHT - I'm WRONG
Pete RTS/Daytona
Quote from: RTS/Daytona on October 20, 2006, 06:02:20 AM
Grumy
Actually 1000 members would be
HEX------> 03E8
OCTAL--> 1750
BINARY-> 0000 0011 1110 1000
When It's 1024 members you would be correct
Pete RTS/Daytona
30 years - IBM Systems Engineer/Instructor
You can take the Instructor out of the Classroom - But - You can't take the Classroom out of the Instructor
Hee hee hee.... There were 1024 members... and 2048 threads before I started this one.
Yeah, I know the common world thinks of kilo as 1000. But geek purists think of it as 2^10.
Maybe I should have coined a new term - kilomember = 2^10 members, but the abbreviation of Km would conflict with Kilometers, so maybe it should be kilobusnuts, Kbn.
Great, just what I needed . . . . another thread to point out something else I don't know. :-\
If ignorance is bliss, why aren't I more blissful? :D
On the bright side, I know who I can ask when I get to the part of my conversion that deals with this 'geek speak' ;D
And while we are on a frivolous topic, its Gumpy, not Grumpy or Grumy. I find him to be quite civil, and not the least bit of a curmudgeon. The name misspelling probably bothers me more than it does him.
I think I need to go back to school ???, ;D
HUH???!!!?? ???
sorry, I keep a dictionary by my computer...
Interesting, No one has inquired where the quote came from.
Anyone, besides Marc and Cliff have an idea?
Kbn (Kilobusnuts) is such a great term that I had to look it up and see what the acronym already stood for (it was bound to stand for something). Rather appropriately I find it stands for 'Knowledge-Based Network', which is a pretty good description of this site.
Jeremy
PS. If you mean the 'Today a Kilo--- Tomorrow a Gig!' quote, presumably it relates to computer memory / storage space.
It will take approximately 3.14 Sam Adams to think about this! I better get started!.....
Hi Folks:
You guys really know how to confuse us Senior Citizens!!!!
Happy & SAFE!!! Busin this weekend and always>
LUKE at US COACH
"OLD" Newbie
I don't know how old you geeks are but I was building process controll with Texas Instruments 74xx with two gates in a 14 pin DIP. When 1k chips came out, I retired because I couldn't work with such big numbers. I eventually got talked into buying a Comodore 64 with casette tape storage so I could learn how to program in BASIC.
Quote from: H3Jim on October 20, 2006, 08:38:58 AM
And while we are on a frivolous topic, its Gumpy, not Grumpy or Grumy. I find him to be quite civil, and not the least bit of a curmudgeon. The name misspelling probably bothers me more than it does him.
sorry H3Jim and Gumpy
Like many engineers - I'm very dyslexic - (we make the best engineers - [Thomas Edison, Leonardo da Vinci, Alexander Graham Bell, Michael Faraday, etc])
I didn't even see my Gumpy spelling mistakes.
Pete RTS Daytona
Well, I'm ADHD and I can never finish a
Guys,
A couple of Shiner's makes all this garbledegook go down much easier!!
Have a great weekend.
Connel
My wife thinks I show all the symptoms of ADHD.
I learned to program on a 16-bit HP 2116 mnicomputer using assembly language. Then I learned
a littel Fortran, then HPL (a language used on HP desktop computer that my cousin called "BASIC
with cheap mnemonics") followed by BASIC, Unix shell programming, a bit of C, and then HTML.
The fourth program I ever wrote was 156 pages of assembler code (60 lines per page) that was
a "system executive" (now called an operating system) [I wrote the whole thing, including a
relocating loader] and it supervised the test stations for testing NMOS chips back when Motorola
was learning how to build them too. That was in 1973.
Then some years later I went to marketing to write computer manuals and design online help
for the next 20 years. There we had "standards". "K" and "k" aren't the same:
1 kohm = 1000 ohms
1 Kbyte = 1024 bytes which in binary is 2^10 as previously mentioned.
At least that's how we managed it.
Only computer geeks even care, so if you care, you might be a geek. (Sorry about the
take-off from Jeff Foxworthy "You might be a redneck if..." routines.)
Clarke
There once was a day that I could "Toot my own horn "
after nearly 30 years with computers, I am lucky of I can "Poot my own horn"
I used to build some pretty wierd stuff with those old 74XX chips. And I thought I was a genius...
My microscope vision for seeing that fine stuff left me about 10 years ago.. Can't see sh$$ anymore
without help. So I work on "BUS" it has parts big enough to see......
Dave....
DrDave-Reloader: You were a genius building with 74xx. You had to see the whole problem and design a solution. You didn't have the luxury of an entire engineering department with gigabytes of program to do it. I once redesigned someone else's design made with discrete germanium transistors. I guess being in at the beginning of the silicon revolution does make us old as dirt.
Good luck with your eyes. I lost depth perception anoput five years ago and had to sell my bus and I'm down to driving a class B. Without depth perception, it is impossuble to get a joint, solder and soldering iron in the same location.
You guys are a bunch of babes in the woods! LOL
My first computer work was with analog ball and disc devices. And lots of vacuum tube devices. Talk about being old as dirt.
Richard
Quote from: Stan on October 21, 2006, 08:23:36 AM
DrDave-Reloader: You were a genius building with 74xx. You had to see the whole problem and design a solution. You didn't have the luxury of an entire engineering department with gigabytes of program to do it. I once redesigned someone else's design made with discrete germanium transistors. I guess being in at the beginning of the silicon revolution does make us old as dirt.
Good luck with your eyes. I lost depth perception anoput five years ago and had to sell my bus and I'm down to driving a class B. Without depth perception, it is impossuble to get a joint, solder and soldering iron in the same location.
Richard,
The way you tell all of us young guys, your so old that your first computer had a wooden frame with a bunch of beads on it and you sold the idea to the chinese! ::) ::) ::)
:D :D :D :D :D :D Sorry, I was just kiddin', but still I couldn't resist!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: DrivingMissLazy on October 21, 2006, 09:57:40 AM
You guys are a bunch of babes in the woods! LOL
My first computer work was with analog ball and disc devices. And lots of vacuum tube devices. Talk about being old as dirt.
Richard
Quote from: Stan on October 21, 2006, 08:23:36 AM
DrDave-Reloader: You were a genius building with 74xx. You had to see the whole problem and design a solution. You didn't have the luxury of an entire engineering department with gigabytes of program to do it. I once redesigned someone else's design made with discrete germanium transistors. I guess being in at the beginning of the silicon revolution does make us old as dirt.
Good luck with your eyes. I lost depth perception anoput five years ago and had to sell my bus and I'm down to driving a class B. Without depth perception, it is impossuble to get a joint, solder and soldering iron in the same location.
Yea, Dallas, and the beads were square!
Richard
Quote from: Dallas on October 21, 2006, 10:28:46 AM
Richard,
The way you tell all of us young guys, your so old that your first computer had a wooden frame with a bunch of beads on it and you sold the idea to the chinese! ::) ::) ::)
:D :D :D :D :D :D Sorry, I was just kiddin', but still I couldn't resist!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: DrivingMissLazy on October 21, 2006, 09:57:40 AM
You guys are a bunch of babes in the woods! LOL
My first computer work was with analog ball and disc devices. And lots of vacuum tube devices. Talk about being old as dirt.
Richard
Quote from: Stan on October 21, 2006, 08:23:36 AM
DrDave-Reloader: You were a genius building with 74xx. You had to see the whole problem and design a solution. You didn't have the luxury of an entire engineering department with gigabytes of program to do it. I once redesigned someone else's design made with discrete germanium transistors. I guess being in at the beginning of the silicon revolution does make us old as dirt.
Good luck with your eyes. I lost depth perception anoput five years ago and had to sell my bus and I'm down to driving a class B. Without depth perception, it is impossuble to get a joint, solder and soldering iron in the same location.
Quote from: Stan on October 21, 2006, 08:23:36 AM
DrDave-Reloader: You were a genius building with 74xx. You had to see the whole problem and design a solution. You didn't have the luxury of an entire engineering department with gigabytes of program to do it. I once redesigned someone else's design made with discrete germanium transistors. I guess being in at the beginning of the silicon revolution does make us old as dirt.
Good luck with your eyes. I lost depth perception anoput five years ago and had to sell my bus and I'm down to driving a class B. Without depth perception, it is impossuble to get a joint, solder and soldering iron in the same location.
1979 & 1980's history.
I did have a computer in my design department at the time, It was a Bell & Howell Grey Apple II with dual disk drives
and a green screen monitor. A year before that I was working in a design lab using an ICE machine (8051 emulator) and building
LED computer displays for excercise machine prototypes, I also ran all the support on our DEC PDP-11/04 main frame and built
a 600 meter fiber optic multiplexor system to run 4 terminals in another building from scratch/components using TDM on a 9600
baud terminal port.
I left there and went to be avionics installer/tech. King Air-Nav & Autopilot systems and Collins Digital AirNav systems.
I have owned my own DEC PDP-11/04 (real digital) , Microdata Reality System ( RTL ) and a few other power hogs.
just for fun but couldn't afford the electric to run them.
I now have a couple of TerraByte servers at the office with 5 W2000 Pro Servers and 31 XP machines
on a Gigabit-Copper network that I built and I almost forgot 5 MAC G-series machines. A Man Roland 500
printing press, Direct Digital to Printing Plate system. And a Fully Digital Color Printing Press.
And I am only a part-time janitor if you were to see my miniscule paycheck... 10 Years There so far...
I was a GEEK before anyone had invented the word, Like from 6 years old, ( back in the 50's !!)
but do you remember a model 15 telytype and the keyboard that you could slow down because the women would over run the high speed circuit. "300 baud"
uncle ned
a realy old geek
"huggy bear"
but never learn to type of spell
Well, I don't go back quite that far, but here's some names of machines I worked on that you probably won't find today...
Wang
Radio Shack TRS-80, complete with cassette storage. We upgraded from 4K to 8K memory. They sent us a funky chip with holes in it that had connections in the holes, and using a 16d nail, you had to punch out certain connections and plug the chip into a certain place inside the box, and that effectively doubled the memory! It was all magic to us at the time. I programmed a crude version of Space Invaders on it in BASIC!
Apple II Plus and Apple IIE (finally, color and graphics!!)
CDC Cyber (even had a card punch and reader, though that was going "out of style" in favor of the remote time share terminals)
DEC PDP-8, PDP-11, VAX & MicroVAX (VMS is still the best OS ever written!!!)
Commodore Amiga 2000 w/ 40 meg hard drive!!
I just happen to have an Apple IIe and Commodore 64 (128??) in the basement that I'll be getting rid of soon, if anyone really wants to relive the good old days. Oh yeah, there's an Amiga down there, too. I had always hoped my son would get interested in these old machines and want to learn a bit about where the technology started, but they couldn't compete with Gameboy :P
Back in the very early days of 'home computers' (before that term was even invented), you couldn't buy a computer off-the-shelf, but you could send off for a mail-order kit of parts that you assembled yourself. My Dad had one of the first 'Nascom 2's, which was a very advanced design at the time, but failed to take off. The 'popular' one at the time was the Sinclair Z80, which in fact later became available ready-built. I quite recently heard an interview with a guy from Sinclair who's job it was to fix non-working computers that had been sent back after having been incorrectly built by the customer. Apparently it was quite common to find that components stuck down to the circuit boards with balsa cement rather than solder.
By the time I went to school my family had an Amstrad CPC464, and my best friend had a Commodore Vic20. We would spend hours typing in games in basic from magazines, then spend hours more debugging the programs, then eventually play them for a few minutes before switching off the machines and losing all our work.
By the time I went to university I was very unusual indeed as I had a computer of my own - one of the first IBM 8088 PC clones, which had two floppy drives but no hard disk. Excellent machine it was too!
The Amstrad is still in the family, by the way, and still works perfectly. It's probably quite collectable now.
Jeremy
The Amstrad is
I think it was in 2003, We were in Statesville, NC at a flea market selling the usual junk and stuff.
I also sold computers I had built out of spare parts, mostly PI's and II's. I also had a sign out that I was interested in buying parts, pieces and complete systems, hoping to generate a little bit of interest in getting rid of the old junk and replacing with something newer from one of the box stores.
One day this little old lady, (at or over 80 yrs. old), came in and asked my wife if we would be interested in buying her husbands computer. He had died and it hadn't ever been used.
Cat told her to bring it down and we would make an offer.
When the lady came back a couple of weeks later, in her trunk she had an IBM PC-XT complete with monitor, keyboard, peripherals, and a printer.
The monitor had been hooked to the CPU, (CPU= 46 lbs.), and didn't know how to unhook it. So she wrestled it from a closet, down the hall and out the door. I have no idea how long it took her to hoist it into the car, but she finally made it.
I asked her how much she wanted for it, since I could see it really was brand new, and she thought she could get around $1000 for it.
I nearly bit my tongue out of my mouth, trying not to laugh. I told her I couldn't offer her more than about $20 for it, as I wasn't sure it would even make a good POS terminal.
Of course, she didn't take the offer so I unhooked the monitor and put everything back in the original boxes and reloaded them in her car.
While I was repacking the CPU I found the original invoice, total price? $3231.00
I sure wish I could give her what she thought it was worth.
Dallas
just drug my kaypro out of the attic. two large floopy and cpm operating system. think i will get the TI down and play a few games
uncle ned
Oooo, Kaypro w/ CPM! I forgot about that one. I wrote a batch processsing operating system on one of those in college.
That was one of the frist truely portable computers! :D
Just got rid of my last Silicon Graphics "mini" mainframe. Thought about making an office refrigerator out of the CPU case, but not worth the trouble. Funny when you consider that the one on my desk has over 10 times the storage capacity as the SG's 10 drive storage system. My how its all changes.
Tom Weeks
BusCrazyTom the Analog Dinosaur
Stupid Bus Newbie :)
"Geek" for 44 Years :-\
In the 70's when I was in college, I paid $500/semester for 500ns time on the school mainframe for one of my classes.
We were required to write the program, debug it and recheck it. Over and over and over.
The passing grade was linked to the computer time. If you took all 500ns to run or had an error, you got an F
Depending on what the rest of the class did, the less time it took to run your program, the higher your grade.
You only got one shot at the computer.
Amazingly, I have a lot of auction links to government surplus and not too long ago a Cray SC came up for auction. ........ It went for $500.
If only we had that available then!
Dallas
Didn't Radio Shack have a kit back in those days also?
Richard
I remember paying for time on a PDP-11 and how awesome it seemed at the time. 8)
The first computer I built was a clone of the Altair/IMSAI. No screen, just front panel lights and switches, 1Mhz 8080A processor and a whopping 4K of RAM. No drives. Just paper tape. Later I bought a Commodore Pet 8K and it seemed amazing with it's screen and cassette drive, not to mention the 8K RAM. :o
I've often thought that if I ever got "rich" and had the room, I would like to set up a museum of personal computers. Starting at the Abacus and coming up to relatively current models. I know that sounds geeking, but then I am a high tech redneck. ;)
S-50 & S-100 Bus machines.. Must not forget the kits from the 60's
Apple Lisa ( Precursor to the MAC and if you had a Color one you had the ferrarri of computers.
Timex/Sinclair ( and all the expansion ports and & boxes to make it run faster and better...)
Atari 400 /600 & 800 series.
TRS-80 Model 1 thru 4. TRS-80 Model 3 Business system with terminals, 8"Floppies and 20 Meg HD Ran Unix/Xenix,
I loved that machine and the DataBase program that ran on it in true multi-user.( on 64K of ram! ).. 8)
Atari ST and 1040 ST Full color with GUI interface. Had 9 of them and was warranty dealer for them in Florida.
Went to IBM clones after all that.. Did anyone see the popular electronics article on the Russian copy of the XT clone
chip (CPU) That was so crude and I was surprised that they got it to work.
Ah... C/PM good old Digital Research. ( the guys who didn't have time to talk to IBM !! ::) )
DR-DOS .... Another failure...
IBM OS/1 and then OS/2 ( I liked OS/2 !) because it didn't crash like ( MS stuff ).
FreeBSD (unix) 1.02 and then on from there.... I couldn't afford " System-V "....
Now everbody is a puter expert.... We Old guys had to work and worry.. You young guys only have to find the ON button!!! ::)
DrDave, your knowledge of those systems reminds me of another Dr Dave that was a friend and mentor of mine many years ago in New Mexico. He had a doctorate in Mathmatics and was a computer genius. It must go with the name. ;)
Since we are wandering down memory lane don't forget the original laptop - the Osborne. Mine is still in the basement - I have the best intentions of firing it up "someday". I used to think I had the world by the tail - with 2 DD drives at 193k each I could have a spreadsheet, wordprocessor and database all on the same boot disk. Try that with today's bloatware. I lugged mine all over western Canada & the western US as carry on luggage. Now they'd think it was a bomb.
Quote from: bobofthenorth on October 23, 2006, 01:05:10 PM
Now they'd think it was a bomb.
Yeah, but now it's ok to take a laptop that spontaneously erupts in flames! :o
There are only ten kinds of people in this world; those who understand binary and those who don't!
Len
Quote from: Len Silva on October 25, 2006, 05:32:35 PM
There are only ten kinds of people in this world; those who understand binary and those who don't!
Len
01001001 01110100 00100111 01110011 00100000 01100001 01101100 01110111 01100001 01111001 01110011 00100000 01100001 00100000 01110111 01101111 01101110 01100100 01100101 01110010 01100110 01110101 01101100 00100000 01100100 01100001 01111001 00100000 01101001 01101110 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01101110 01100101 01101001 01100111 01101000 01100010 01101111 01110010 01101000 01101111 01101111 01100100 00100000 01101111 01101110 00100000 01101101 01100101 01101101 01101111 01110010 01111001 00100000 01101100 01100001 01101110 01100101 00101110
Now my brain hurts...... :o
It amazing how many on this board have had careers in computers. I have been a programmer, analyst, security officer, system administrator on IBM midrange systems for over 30 years, and still working :'( . Maybe I will get to retire someday! :) Personally I hate PCs, they are just a necessary evil to get to my REAL computer. ;)
Tom Hamrick
1984 Eagle 10S
Quote from: HighTechRedneck on October 25, 2006, 06:45:46 PM
Quote from: Len Silva on October 25, 2006, 05:32:35 PM
There are only ten kinds of people in this world; those who understand binary and those who don't!
Len
01001001 01110100 00100111 01110011 00100000 01100001 01101100 01110111 01100001 01111001 01110011 00100000 01100001 00100000 01110111 01101111 01101110 01100100 01100101 01110010 01100110 01110101 01101100 00100000 01100100 01100001 01111001 00100000 01101001 01101110 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01101110 01100101 01101001 01100111 01101000 01100010 01101111 01110010 01101000 01101111 01101111 01100100 00100000 01101111 01101110 00100000 01101101 01100101 01101101 01101111 01110010 01111001 00100000 01101100 01100001 01101110 01100101 00101110
It's always a wonderful day in the neighborhood on memory lane.
Man, now I have a headache :'(
Quote from: Len Silva on October 26, 2006, 10:48:44 AM
Quote from: HighTechRedneck on October 25, 2006, 06:45:46 PM
Quote from: Len Silva on October 25, 2006, 05:32:35 PM
There are only ten kinds of people in this world; those who understand binary and those who don't!
Len
01001001 01110100 00100111 01110011 00100000 01100001 01101100 01110111 01100001 01111001 01110011 00100000 01100001 00100000 01110111 01101111 01101110 01100100 01100101 01110010 01100110 01110101 01101100 00100000 01100100 01100001 01111001 00100000 01101001 01101110 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01101110 01100101 01101001 01100111 01101000 01100010 01101111 01110010 01101000 01101111 01101111 01100100 00100000 01101111 01101110 00100000 01101101 01100101 01101101 01101111 01110010 01111001 00100000 01101100 01100001 01101110 01100101 00101110
It's always a wonderful day in the neighborhood on memory lane.
Man, now I have a headache :'(
01100111 01101111 01101111 01100100 00100000 01101010 01101111 01100010 00100000 01101100 01100101 01101110 00101100 00100000 01101110 01101111 01110111 00100000 01100111 01101111 00100000 01110111 01101111 01110010 01101011 00100000 01101111 01101110 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 01110010 00100000 01100010 01110101 01110011 converts to:
good job len, now go work on your bus
I thought I would save you the headache... ::)
please do this in 5 level so my modle 15 teletype can read it.
uncle ned
Quote from: uncle ned on November 13, 2006, 11:08:43 AM
please do this in 5 level so my modle 15 teletype can read it.
uncle ned
Your wish is my command
107 106 204 001 002 004 106
CCITT1 (Baudot)
003 005 303 300 307 205 200 300 005
CCITT2 (Murray) But often mistaken for Baudot
How does this apply to coaches? If it wasn't for the Model 28 And Model 40, I probably wouldn't be doing what I do today, which is what also allows me to pursue this newest insidious hobby ;D
Where did you work with all of the old teletypes.
Do you know what started the oil embargo.
Teletype sold a group of the "plastic bastard " teletypes to the middle east with an arabic typewheel.
No way to keep them in adjustment.
uncle ned
Old telephone man
I was a TT in the Coast Guard, The Ships and Communications Stations used TTY for message broadcasts. I worked mainly on the ATT Mod 40, But Did play with the 28's (Mechanical) for a bit. When I EOE'd to become a high powered consultant, I think they still had some 28's (Due to reliability) in service in the USN.
Who Needs .JPG 's when you had RTTY ART
"Hint: Turn Your Head to thr right to see image, Unless you are sitting behind your Monitor" ;D
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I was an ET in the Navy and remember TTY art. It's just incredible to me how someone can visualize the image they want to create and get it done. Kind of like people who paint huge murals on buildings, they're up on a scaffold painting a four foot eyeball or something. It seems so hard to maintain perspective.
Len