Most may know I just purchased a series 60 from a 1996 truck. In the next couple of years, the plan is to install it into my bus. I've been trying to find all the parts I'm going to need for this conversion. Right now my concern is the oil pan, I don't want to pay 1,000 for one.
Yesterday I drove through the local boatyard here where I live. There are a bunch of old boat motors lying around. Amongst them are some series 60's with flat pans on them.
My question; is there any reason I couldn't use one of them on my bus?
Thanks in advance
I see no reason that they would not work. I would think a series 60 is a series 60. Make sure you get the pick up tube. Also what kind of dipstick do they have. I would be intrested in a dipstick if they are the correct one.
Wayne
As long as they are aluminum I think they would work fine. As Wayne said the pickup is a must. The bus is so low to the ground the plastic pan will not last long. Mine had the plastic pan and is was busted just sitting in the truck.
The 60 series marine engines most were a dry sump pan that is the reason they are flat
good luck
That makes good sence in a boat. Did you see a ECM for a DDEC IV laying around?
Wayne
If they are dry sump do they need an external oil tank? is there a second oil pump? My dry sump systems have scavenge pumps and then pressure pumps.
Brian
Quote from: rusty on November 09, 2011, 12:14:20 PM
That makes good sence in a boat. Did you see a ECM for a DDEC IV laying around?
Wayne
No ECM's, these motors are pretty much stripped.
Quote from: bevans6 on November 09, 2011, 01:12:20 PM
If they are dry sump do they need an external oil tank? is there a second oil pump? My dry sump systems have scavenge pumps and then pressure pumps.
Brian
I would think they would need an external tank and pump. But these motors are not dry sump.
I went by there today at lunch, I asked the guy if he wanted to part with a pan, he said he would trade for my pan if I wanted to switch it. The only problem is my engine is still in a running truck, and I'd like to keep it that way for now. So now I'm in the search for a truck pan. If I can't find one, I'll measure and see if the marine one will go in the truck without too many issues.
I really don't understand what you are calling a flat pan the dry sumps I seen are about 3 or 4 inches in height, they have a flat bottom but it is around 8 inches and tapers to back.
My brother has 3 dry sump 650 hp series 60 in 2 of his boats all 3 use the same oil tank (try figuring that one with a oil sample) with external oil pumps on each engine,anyway you change the pan you have to change the pickup the truck probably has a front sump
Clifford,
I'll try and get a picture of it an put in on here. The pan is approx 10" deep front to back.
I figured I would have to change the pickup and the dipstick.
A 10 inch deep pan would hold a lot of oil. I think that is about what mine is and I am between 10 and 11 gallons. If it were a wet sump, you should be able to see the plumbing connections for the hoses.
I really don't think that the dipstick is a function of the pan. The dipsticks should be calibrated so that the oil level is 1 inch below the pan rail regardless of pan.
Be a bit careful about changing dipsticks. Obviously you need to install the matching combination of tube and dipstick. But it is more complicated than that. A Series 60 has several locations where a dipstick tube can be inserted (4, I think). The bosses for the tube are not all the same height - you can't mix and match.
The only reason to change the dipstick/tube is to make it easier to get to. On my project pages (page 7) I list the part numbers for a dipstick/tube from a Prevost bus that makes it easy to check your oil in any bus.
Jim
Gary, I have the truck pan I took off my engine. I can look to see if it is all there. You are welcome to it.
Wayne
Wayne I don't think a 14L pan will work on his 12.7 series 60
12.7 and 14L liter oil pans interchange. Also the part number list from Jim Sheppard for the pick up tube, brackets and misc parts worked on my 14L. The aluminum low profile pan I used required the gray gasket. The newer pans may use the black gasket.
Ken
So a 11.1 L will work also on a 14L thanks that is good info I found some bus pans from 11.1 series 60 for 25 bucks each brand new
I mite not have the gasket. I think I used it on the bus pan. I will have to check. Thanks for the information on the pan sizes.
Wayne
I would go to the distributor (Pacific Power) and ask the parts dept. to copy the pages of the oil distribution system for truck, coach and marine. Then you will be armed with enough information to make a decision. Personally I have interchanged a few and would not install anything but the coach pan. You should be able to find one somewhere on the used market. Try the coach operators up there, Princess, RCT, Grayline, Premier, etc. They might have a core engine outback that would have one. For that matter, Pacific in Anchorage might have a dead one out back, lot of S60 coaches running up there. Good luck.
If anyone needs it, the part number on my aluminum shallow pan is 23505009 .
Ken