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Title: Flat tire
Post by: desi arnaz on September 05, 2011, 11:56:47 PM
What is the best way to patch a hole in my steer tire?   I have a 1/4 20 bolt neatly installed in my front left tire, is it safe to remove it and plug it or do I need to de mount it and patch? I have no leak now but I suspect it will lose a lot of air when I remove said bolt.
Title: Re: Flat tire
Post by: Busted Knuckle on September 06, 2011, 05:20:54 AM
TAKE IT OFF THE STEER AXLE!

In passenger service it's ILLEGAL  to repair a steer tire that needs to be repaired the way that one does!

It needs to be vulcanized!   And with vulcanizing comes the possibility it will blow out.                                           

I know your bus is not in revenue service any more, but seriously. Is the safety of you, your family, and others worth taking a chance?
;D  BK  ;D 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Title: Re: Flat tire
Post by: wal1809 on September 06, 2011, 05:28:06 AM
Quote from: Busted Knuckle on September 06, 2011, 05:20:54 AM
TAKE IT OFF THE STEER AXLE!

In passenger service it's ILLEGAL  to repair a steer tire that needs to be repaired the way that one does!

It needs to be vulcanized!   And with vulcanizing comes the possibility it will blow out.                                           

I know your bus is not in revenue service any more, but seriously. Is the safety of you, your family, and others worth taking a chance?
;D  BK  ;D 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

Ditto!!
Title: Re: Flat tire
Post by: robertglines1 on September 06, 2011, 05:56:58 AM
Is it in the tread or valley?.  If it isn't leaking it might not be that deep yet. Take  out and see if it leaks. if it does refer to above post.
Title: Re: Flat tire
Post by: AndyG on September 06, 2011, 06:00:21 AM
I don't think that a reputable tire shop will attempt to plug this tire for highway use.  Plugs do not tend to wokr well in radial tires.  The layers of a plugged tire are much more likely to separate.  I have had this happen on a car tire I plugged.  You may be able to have it patched from the inside and then you will have a good tire for the tag axle.  
Title: Re: Flat tire
Post by: AndyG on September 06, 2011, 06:01:51 AM
Dad is right, make sure that it actually goeas all of the way through.  If it does, I don't think that a reputable tire shop will attempt to plug this tire for highway use.  Plugs do not tend to wokr well in radial tires.  The layers of a plugged tire are much more likely to separate.  I have had this happen on a car tire I plugged.  You may be able to have it patched from the inside and then you will have a good tire for the tag axle.  
Title: Re: Flat tire
Post by: trucktramp on September 06, 2011, 07:52:03 AM
What BK said.  If you're gonna plug it, buy a new steer and move the old one to a different position.  A steer tire blow out is usually not a pretty thing.
Title: Re: Flat tire
Post by: Busted Knuckle on September 06, 2011, 08:04:47 AM
Plugging is not even an option on these tires! Plugs are for car tires and not great for those in a radial either.

I'd take it to a reputable tire shop and have the repair it and move it to the tag or drive axle. (but if moving to drives you should have 3 more closely matching.
;D  BK  ;D
Title: Re: Flat tire
Post by: Lin on September 06, 2011, 08:09:35 AM
As above.  Just remember Murphy, "What can go wrong will go wrong".
Title: Re: Flat tire
Post by: desi arnaz on September 06, 2011, 05:02:29 PM
i pulled it out and didn't hear any air coming out, i will l have to go outside and check again as i just got home from a 250 mile trip to pick up a tow dolly.
Title: Re: Flat tire
Post by: MEverard on September 06, 2011, 05:38:18 PM
I don't like to take any chances with tires. I know that we talk about the cost of them all day long, but my life and anyone else I might kill is not worth it. Please be safe.

Good Luck,

Mike
Title: Re: Flat tire
Post by: desi arnaz on September 07, 2011, 01:34:51 AM
no leak, must of gone between the tread and not much into the tire.!!! yeah!!!
Title: Re: Flat tire
Post by: Busted Knuckle on September 07, 2011, 06:35:04 AM
Quote from: desi arnaz on September 07, 2011, 01:34:51 AM
no leak, must of gone between the tread and not much into the tire.!!! yeah!!!

Great news.
Now if it were me I'd find a way to mark it on the side wall that will stay a while and periodically spray bubble solution or soapy water on it and make sure it doesn't start leaking.

(you did use a guage and check the pressure while you were at it didn't you?)
;D  BK  ;D
Title: Re: Flat tire
Post by: eddieboy on September 07, 2011, 07:02:09 AM
Things have changed.  For what it's worth, I just had to have a tire plugged on my work vehicle.  Not anywhere near the weight of a bus, but, the new tire repair looks to be the only thing left when that tire does finally go.  The new way of plugging is in a kit form.  There is an end mill type of drill bit that makes the hole uniform.  The plug is in the shape of a "T".  It is put on from the inside and vulcanized all the way through the hole and to the inside of the tire.  There is also a sealer that is put on the inside after the repair is done to give the tire back the inner "skin".  With air pressure helping to hold the plug in place, I don't know how it could ever give way.  By the way, I did lose that tire recently to a wood screw.  Drove on it for 40 miles and ruined the sidewall.  It was a Toyo and I couldn't even feel that it had gone flat.  Just my two cents worth.  I wonder if the legal guidelines ever change with the technology!!
Title: Re: Flat tire
Post by: eagle19952 on September 07, 2011, 12:27:52 PM
Butt plugs are not new..... :-*
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Title: Re: Flat tire
Post by: AndyG on September 08, 2011, 11:44:05 AM
eddieboy, the plugs that we are against are the ones that you push through from the outside with a tool that looks like a screwdriver.