I understand that this isn't the classifieds, but as you can see I lost my job and don't have the $ to post there. If anybody has interest in a 57 4104 in good condition deeply discounted please let me know.
Sorry to hear about your situation. If you want to advertise it is free at the "other" site. HTH
http://www.busnut.com/classifieds/ (http://www.busnut.com/classifieds/)
Sorry to hear, Jordan. (My flying job evaporates in June, too.)
Jordan,
I am sorry to hear about your job. That is too bad.
I am sure that you have considered every possible option, that you can. However, what about keeping the bus, to live in? That would probably be cheaper then other housing....Just thinking out loud.
Anyways, I hope things look up for you.
God bless,
John
Where's Les, he's looking for a 04?
Thanks guys. Fortunately I will be able to live with my folks. It will be cheaper than paying rent/utilities somewhere and paying to keep the bus up. The price is right for anybody looking. The bus is in great shape. Here's a link to CL adhttp://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/2252428699.html
Honest advice. you're young, you're going to lose a lot of jobs. Don't let it define you. If you own the bus, as in owe no money on it, keep it. If you borrowed money to buy it, run away from it. The bus is going to be fine for a month or a year, let it marinate for a while. No need to rush to a decision, you can sell it for a loss in a month or two as well as now and maybe you will find a job in the meantime...
Brian
Sorry to hear about the job situation. If I were you I would try to keep it, but I sold mine a fews years back because I needed the money, so I fully understand.
That's a nice 4104 Jordon. Do you have some more pic's of it?
Mike
Im sooo sorry to hear this awful news Jordan. I know things will change for you. You are still young and life has lots of ups and downs in it. This is a down time for you. But you have done something amazing in aquiring your bus at such an early age! Really, you should keep it especially if it is paid for. If you lose your parents or their condition gets bad or whatever (believe it or not life can get even worse), your bus will be your ark. With it you always will have transportation AND a place to live! That is a tough combination and desperately needed by everyone/anyone. As long as you have those 2 things, everything else is gravey. Seriously reconsider letting everything else go, but holding onto your bus.
Jordan; Jobs are just where you work. It is how other people make money from you working for them, Ain't nothin but a thing 8)
Maybe you can think up some kind of business to start. Some don't even cost a lot to start or maybe someone would want to fund you for part of the profit? Just a thought. What do you love to do and use it to begin to think what might work.
We move into our Bus full-time are having a bast for a whole lot cheaper than when we had a house. We have some friends that are allowing us to park it on their Grass on the big side yard. The 2 of us and 3 Cats Who by the way 2 are having there 5th B-day tomorrow. My wife works her Notary business out of the bus from the desk I made her and I take on any home repair work I can find out there or type up stuff for her and copy, Print and scan for her business things. Our TV only gets 6 channels but the right ones and we read alot and are on the boards, and internet talking to friend when we can.
So look in the mirror and say It will get better soon and Hey I have a Bus and it's mine.
Dave
I may be the lone desenter.
Im not sure things will get any better. The economy is flat lined, housing market is dead and continues to worsen, fuel costs are rising with no relief in sight, foods going up, etc., etc.. All those things effect everything else. I'm not saying it cant or wont turn back around, but there is no good reason right now to believe it cant get much, much worse than it is before better times ahead come to pass. I hate to say it, but an economic Depression, perhaps greater than in 1929, is not out of the range of possibility if we dont get this ship turned around. And its almost a foregone conclusion if they dont get it going soon.
I would take a good hard look at things and think real hard about what youll do if you cant find work. Your living in the Bus now, where will you live if you sell it, And how long can you hold out if you cant find work? If you do find work, how trusting are you that it will last? You have a pretty comfy roof over your head and can chose your location at the push of a button. Not a bad option to have in todays shifting landscape.
Just how far do you really think less than 11K will go......
That has to be hard ! Hope things turn around for you.
I would try and wait a little while before selling if you can. You never know, you may find a job sooner than you think.
Also, if you keep the bus and have to move to another area for work, you already have a place to live.
Best of luck to you!
Quote from: artvonne on April 18, 2011, 10:03:04 PM
I may be the lone desenter.
Im not sure things will get any better. The economy is flat lined, housing market is dead and continues to worsen, fuel costs are rising with no relief in sight, foods going up, etc., etc.. All those things effect everything else. I'm not saying it cant or wont turn back around, but there is no good reason right now to believe it cant get much, much worse than it is before better times ahead come to pass. I hate to say it, but an economic Depression, perhaps greater than in 1929, is not out of the range of possibility if we dont get this ship turned around. And its almost a foregone conclusion if they dont get it going soon.
I would take a good hard look at things and think real hard about what youll do if you cant find work. Your living in the Bus now, where will you live if you sell it, And how long can you hold out if you cant find work? If you do find work, how trusting are you that it will last? You have a pretty comfy roof over your head and can chose your location at the push of a button. Not a bad option to have in todays shifting landscape.
No, Im afraid you are not alone in this thinking......
I'm with Art on this one...I have never seen times where the general outlook of the people I know, friends and family, has been so dark, I think we are in for a bumpy road ahead. Inflation has almost always in the past been a result of a strong economy, we are starting to see what I think will be record breaking inflation with a terrible economy. Not a good combination. What amazes me is that in spite of our elected officials past actions and non-actions and the dismal approval ratings of Congress we continue to send the same people back to Washington time and time again.
I second the thoughts of keeping the bus if you can, it could be good to have down the road.
Rick
Jordan,
Before you get rid of the bus, I would set a breakpoint date after which it absolutely must go. Until then, find a place where you can store it for free or cheap(should be some that can help you here). Consider that right know you know what you have, it is liveable, and from the looks of the pictures very nice. If you want another bus later, you will have to go through all the trouble again.
Granted, you don't know where your next employment may be, but wherever it is, living in the bus would give you a jumpstart on recovery financially.
I have some friends that are currently flying small fixed wing, and rotary wing as contractors in Afghanistan. It may be worth a try, as it has been very very safe in the air there(not counting the worthless Russian choppers that are sling-loading equipment!!!)
Just my $.03 worth!
Steve
Thanks for all the words of encouragement guys ;D Boy do I wish that I owned the bus. Luckily the loan I have for the bus is from my Dad, but that coin also has two sides. With no way to pay him back, and no way to make a decent living in the close future (I may not be able to work in my chosen industry for some time), I'm afraid that the bus has to go. If i get 11 for it I will be upside down 5k to my dad, but at least then I don't have to worry about all the costs involved with living in and maintaining the bus. I wish more than anything else that I could have stayed in my current situation. I love the bus and I loved my life, but right now things are in the toilet, and it's time to move back in with the folks and start fresh in this $#!% economy. So if you know anybody that wants to capitalize on my misfortune, please send them my way. I'm not trying to scam out of this thing. It is a bus, it does have some issues, but the motor is strong, and all the systems function if not with some flaws. ;D
I know someone who has a relative that is looking for a 4104, sent him some info on one a week or so ago. Tried to get ahold of him today to let him know about yours but can't get thru yet. They are traveling in their bus so may be in a dead zone right now. Got a phone number i can give him?
Sure thing 801-628-0778
Thanks, i will pass it on to him as soon as i can.
Just talked to them, they are on the move right now but will call you later today when they stop. :)
Sounds great. thank you very much. I hope I'm not stepping on any toes by the way for talking about this here. This is just the best chance I can see for helping myself out of this situation
I know what it cost me to have my daughter over for just dinner. if she owed me 16,000 for what she was living in I would fill her tank and tell her to drive until she found a job or run out of fuel. I would be tens of thousands ahead ;D.
Jordan, has dad ever been behind the wheel? ;) Teach him to double clutch. Take him camping.... Enough said :)
Dang, I coulda bought a couple of those Buses for what the two step kids cost me in cars they cant live in plus other junk. Oh wait, those cars are gone now...
Yeah, take your Dad camping. Let him drive. In the big picture, I cant think of a smarter thing a kid could do with their parents money. A car, a home, and a place to work all in one deal, and all for under $20K. I think you need to sit down and break bread with the Father unit. Show him these posts too. Maybe the Big Picture will focus his desires in a different direction.
Now, tell us your NOT parked at the folks with that big turd. You have a Bus, there is walmart, truck stops, back behind businesses, lots of places you could slip in and become "incognito". Millions in fact. And dont forget campgrounds that may hire you to work, pay you, and give you a spot. I think you could make this work if you really thought hard.
Jordan I have no idea what you did for a living but if your looking for work and strong and have a good work ethic s/p get on line and look up Sanjel USA INC they are looking for able body guys to work in Texas. It's hard work but it's a job and it pays well. Just a thought . Good luck
Living w/family is free. Got that. But soon you will be employed and you will need an apartment if you find work in away from home. How much are rents? For $11k will get you probably less than a year of rent. With Bus you have mobility and may even get lucky and park near hangers with power when you find another flying job. Especially handy if someone needs an on-call pilot. Something to think about.
Really, the guys are right Jordan! And you are 24..... speaking from the other side of the gender pool, when I was that age I steered clear of guys living with their parents but I would have thought it especially cool that a guy had his own bus....... and such a nice one as yours too! It's much better then blowing cash on rent. And there are night security jobs to be had as well as the other good recomendations in this thread. You could park, hookup and patrol all out of your own bus!
If (when?) things get seriously pear-shaped, we all have lifeboats. 95% of the population doesn't. We are the ones who will do better than most. Keep the bus - it's the best thing you have now (apart from your imagination, determination, initiative, etc., which obviously you have because you have a bus in the first place).
Someone mentioned flying jobs in Afghanistan. Wow! If I had a PL I would do that in a heartbeat. If old age is just memories, better make those memories as interesting as possible! Remember, when you're there you'll be saving almost all your money, because there's not too much to spend it on out there! Some years ago I worked offshore in the North Sea for four years, after getting back from a long trip without any money left, and those four years were the best work and experiences I've ever had, or ever likely to have. Go for it!
John
Jordan, load up the bus, head towards the nearest forest fire in Texas and tell the firefighters that you know how to do weight and balance on aircraft. It wont get you a flying job and you might have to get a red card, but you could keep the bus and make some damn good money. Or find a private crew flying heli's or bombers and see if they need help. Come about September you'll be looking for a vacation. jm
Jordon,
Just saw on the news here in Boise a new plane company is coming might check in to it
best of luck
Kevin
Jordon,
Sea Port is the name of the company in Boise Id. Give it a try what do you have to lose
My your life be blessed
Kevin
Lots of companies offer guard services for remote installations. You HAVE to have your own camper. Live on site They pay all utilities. Good pay. Good job. Lonely though. Her's one of them:
http://www.alcatraz-security.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46&Itemid=27 (http://www.alcatraz-security.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46&Itemid=27)
TOM
Jordan, it sounds like you have made up your mind. But please take a little more time to think it through and listen to folks that know what you are going through. I know how frustrating and hopeless it feels to be in your shoes. I was there a few years ago when I had a different small niche business and WM and every drug/gift store suddenly decided it was good business and jumped in. I lost everything. That was when I got a bus and moved into it. Without that, Mom would have spent the last of her life in a nursing home and I would have got some job I hated and lived in a cheap apartment I hated and would have generally been miserable. Instead I live cheaply in a bus, loving it, and look where it led.
Now your situation is a lot different from mine in some ways, but your economic trial is very similar. With one good plus, you already have a converted bus. There is a lot of wisdom and experience in what everyone here is telling you. Your chances of getting a job you enjoy will be much better if you are mobile to live where you need to for the job.
Talk to your dad about it heart to heart. Obviously he believed in your dream enough to finance it in the first place. Likely he will be no more satisfied with you losing money and being upside down in the loan than you will be. And while your parents have evidently offered to let you move back in, they would quite possibly like to see you remain at least partially on your own feet. As others have said, there are options for living in it with little or no cost, or better yet even with pay.
Jordan,
Take from an old guy who has been around the block a few times. Things will get better.
Now, for the kick in the pants. You are unlikely to get $11K for a 4104, no matter how nice it is. Maybe $7-8 if you are lucky.
So I, along with some others here, say keep it. Leave it listed on all the free sites but keep the price up there at $11K. It won't sell, but it will show your dad that you are trying.
In the meantime, if a job comes up 500 miles from home, you have a way to get there and a place to sleep that doesn't cost a fortune until you are back on your feet.
You are young, you have marketable skills, and you have friends here. Concentrate on finding the job and don't be afraid to take a chance on something out of the box.
Good luck.
Thanks again for all of the advice guys/gals. I am sad to hear that I may only be able to get 7-8k for this bus. I must have been a sucker paying 15 for it then >:( If I can't get at least 10 for it, I will be forced to keep it. As for all the job advice, I am not going to be able to fly for some time due to the loss of my medical certificate caused by health problems that are putting me on medications that the FAA doesn't approve. My main problem with keeping the bus and living in it is that I am not a technical person, and these dang things take constant technical upkeep, and seem to suck money that I don't have. At this point my dream is simply over, and it would be a huge load off of my back to be out from under this bus (pun intended) So I guess I'll just keep trying, and hope that someone realizes that this bus is worth more than 7-8k.
Im sorry to hear about your health problems..... kinda the same thing happened to my son. All his career dreams were cut off due to health issues at 17 years old! One thing about it, you are both still young and can develop marketable skills that your health wont interfere with. It would be much more difficult to develop health problems that cause a career change at middle age.
As for the bus, no you werent a sucker. In fact you got a good deal. There has been a LOT of problems/changes in the mideast recently (even more then usual) and fuel prices have gone up sky high since you bought the bus though and the price of large vehicles has just completely gone in the toilet. When you bought your bus, a few months ago, the market was down on large vehicles...... but not as bad as it is now. The large vehicles are waaaaayyyy under valued right now. If/when fuel prices and unemployment settle down the value will go back up.
As for working on these with "technical" stuff, stay in this forum and be active. These ole guys are a TREMENDOUS help! Did you see what I just went thru with the hookup thread? As long as you are willing and able to do the work, ask for help. One of the best investments I have made for my conversion is a tool called "an internet compatible camera" that takes good pictures lol AND as an added bonus, like I tell my own son, you will be learning some dang good skills that will help you thru life and are even marketable! Good 2stroke mechanics are a dying breed!
And for another thing, this bus you own has actually given you marketable skills already as a professional bus driver! Go get a CDL
Lots of advice here, keep in mind things will get better for you..I second the idea of getting your CDL. I drive for a USPS Contractor, the pay is very good, 2 days a week off, home every night.
If this job ever goes I can drive my bus about 80 miles south of here park it, stay in it weeknights and come home on weekends, and drive a truck for one of the several Natural Gas Companies doing Shale Drilling and make good money there. I would be away thru the week but it would beat going over the road and I would kind of enjoy staying in my bus. The Gas Drilling Companies have hookups, I see a lot of campers/RV's at their terminals. You might not ever use your CDL but it would be good to have, you never know... Long story short I can see an advantage to being your age, having a bus and your CDL.
Rick
I don't go along with all the naysayers. My personal economy is doing fine. You don't have to participate in the recession!
You have learned a lesson here about debt. This whole situation would feel different if you didn't owe for the bus. I have learned after a long time of banging my head against a brick wall that I am better off NEVER borrowing money for anything from anybody! It really is possible to live that way if you are determined to. Right now you feel like a slave to your Dad. I doubt he feels that way, but you probably do. All I can say is "suck it up..." List the bus for sale, but if it doesn't sell right away, do whatever you can to make money and make some kind of payments to your Dad, even if they are pathetic. Get creative. Buy the book "The Power of Who". Great book on getting a job in today's world. Keep your head up. Life happens. Learn from it. The painful lessons are the ones you will never forget. God Bless!
Marc
Are you, qualified as a ground school flight instructor, or could you get qualified? There seems to be plenty of flight school work out there.
Im getting the feeling he is just done with the Bus and wants to move on. Weve all been there a time or two.
If not, I would get a subscription to AOPA and talk to their medical dept about approved meds, find a different Dr, change your diet, get some excercize and get your health back, etc..
My Dad has had type 2 diabetes since the late 90's, and living with us, his diet had made us more aware of watching sugar and carbs. But his Heart Attack two years ago got us watching salt and calorie intake, which led to reading all the labels on the crap the world wants to feed us. That led to an almost complete stop in boxed foods, with real meals made with fresh meats and veggies. The difference that has made in all of us from a health standpoint cannot be overstated. I would relate the change to detoxification.
Its just not normal for everyone to be sick and have medical problems and severe allergies, especially when young.
QuoteYou are unlikely to get $11K for a 4104, no matter how nice it is. Maybe $7-8 if you are lucky
Things must be really bad down there. Here in Alaska I would bet you would sell it fast for 15k. That's an idea ::) Alaska has a lot of work in the summer months, you could bring the bus to Alaska, work for the summer living in the bus, then sell the bus at the end of the season. ;)
Sorry to hear about your situation,
Gary
Sorry to hear about you situation.
But sounds like a chance to learn a little about your bus and how to work with it. I was off for 6 months last year sure was tuff but good to know that both the buss and the 35 ft Avion travel trailer are paid for and if the house goes there is some place to go.
Though I was going to have to take one of them out of town and stay in one of them part time while working.
My wife was diagnosed with Caliac deiese just the first part of the ear the change in the food we eat is helping. She has had problems with dibeties and it is going away and things are changing.
I suggest you let the guys here in this group help you learn about your bus as they did me and you will have the knowledge to fall back on later.
Good luck hope it all gets better. If I can help e-mail me bobgil@sbcglobal.net I hope I can help some one as I was helped from here.
I have not been around much in the last two years but I am still reading when I can.
Bob Gil
I don't know what to tell you ??? though I don't know that I'd take advice from someone who hasn't had a permanent job in almost eight years. :P
I won't lie and tell you that I expect things to get better - on the contrary, I expect them to get much worse. Our national debt is currently about 95% of our GDP, and there are economists that expect it to hit 100% in no more than five years. If it does, then the economic problems we have today are going to look like a sneeze in a hurricane. I know just enough about markets, finance, and economic theory to know that I don't want to be caught flat-footed if they're right.
That's no small part of the reason we want a bus. We're lucky enough that at the moment my wife is working on several $40/hour contracts that should last us the next several months at minimum, and we're planning on buying and living in a bus for the very reasons that everyone has spent the last two pages telling you about.
I wish you the best of luck however it plays out for you. I'd tell you that I'd love to buy your bus from you, but we wouldn't have the money for about another three months. You may find that owning it in the coming months and years could be a godsend if you can get it paid off or traded for something that needs less maintenance.
I think LesBerg needs that Bus for him and his family.
Guys I am going to tell you my take on the deal about all dad's and financing we really never expect it back I would prefer my kids to tell me give it to me they never pay me back anyways lol and me I would prefer him living in the bus instead back in the house with me and the wife I may sound cold but it is a fact of life with parents he needs to have a heart to heart and ask the parents for their take on it.
We older parents have a life what's left of it and it is not all about the kids we paid our dues now it the kids turn in the barrel
I have no way of knowing but I just wonder if he has paid anything back during the months he has owned the bus.
Don't get me wrong we do try and help the kids maybe too much something my parents never did and they could afford it and fwiw if one of the kids told me they needed a few thousand to buy a bus or they would be moving in my house you could bet they would be proud owners of a bus JMO
Cold in Az
good luck
That ain't cold at all. Specially if there is only one "kid".
BUT, he said "I would add a slightly different perspective". We all have our own special relationships with each of our children and our own take on kids in general. First and foremost.....DO IT YOUR WAY. The planet isn't doing all that poorly with the diversity. And it is lead pipe cinch that there are oodles of people smart enuf to father/bear a child that are screwing the pooch on this task. There are absolutely brilliant folk that are messing up royally, as well. Then there are people like me ::) 8) ;D
I always felt that it was the parents "job" to distribute the family jewels when the time came. I know lots of parents and also friends that borrowed from their parents with never a hint of an intention of paying back a penny, though they claimed that they would. Unless they say they are considering it a gift, I think that is teaching hypocrisy. At one time I planned to record what I gave to each and deduct that debt from the one daughter's inheritance that was frugal and responsible. I was enormously, and quietly, proud of the responsibility the youngest showed. Of course, when her Mom learned that he youngest had saved $6K, her mother resolved that issue by STOPPING the $750 per month allowance till the kid was as broke as her older sister the "spend thrift". And, yes I did interfere and bring that to a halt. 1975 dollars, folks. Yeah, I know.
I also count the relationship more than the monetary/material thingy. Some kids seem to think that the ability to forgive and tolerate is "bottomless in it's capacity" where their parents are concerned. It never was with me and they knew that at a very deep level. Eventually, I had to tell the youngest " I have always loved you. I love you now and I will always love you. Unfortunately, I don't like you. The values and priorities that you set are not even remotely associated with those that I gave you when we lived together. You have grown. Never, so long as the sun shines and little birdies fly, darken my door-step again so long as you draw breath on Planet Earth. Should you ever find yourself in a perilous, life and death situation, do not call me. You are disowned. Love, always, Daddy." I honestly think that you owe your kids a lesson in "consequences" for unacceptable behavior. in my case it was that screwing with the mind of a man on his deathbed, literally, even if it is your own father, is completely unacceptable and to not demonstrate that to them would leave me remiss as a parent. As you might gather, with the help of modern science, I survived. Me and Richard Bach.
But....as I said at the beginning... the planet is doing very well with all this diversity. Maybe we need the "bad examples" to keep us straight.
Thanks, Clifford,
John
Wow John, thats pretty rough. My Dad and the rest of us had to tell my oldest Brother to disappear. And like you, it followed a long chain of abuses.
Quote from: jordansinthesky on April 20, 2011, 10:08:59 AM
Thanks again for all of the advice guys/gals. I am sad to hear that I may only be able to get 7-8k for this bus. I must have been a sucker paying 15 for it then >:( If I can't get at least 10 for it, I will be forced to keep it. As for all the job advice, I am not going to be able to fly for some time due to the loss of my medical certificate caused by health problems that are putting me on medications that the FAA doesn't approve. My main problem with keeping the bus and living in it is that I am not a technical person, and these dang things take constant technical upkeep, and seem to suck money that I don't have. At this point my dream is simply over, and it would be a huge load off of my back to be out from under this bus (pun intended) So I guess I'll just keep trying, and hope that someone realizes that this bus is worth more than 7-8k.
I have two buses well three the reason I have kept them is one i love buses and two I have a nic house I almost lost and am a paycheck away from losing it again. I have one bus to store all my treasures that are anyway to me. and the other to live in incase I lose my house. My buses run and run great. I have enough diesel in each one to move to Minnesota incase I lose the house. We are living in the last times and need to be much more "portable" as this once wonderful country loses it's mission. Things are not going to get better and we need to batten down the hatches for the worse that is to come. A bus is portable and a house is not.. Keep that bus and at the very least it is yours . If you are forced to live atyour parent's home you have a place that is all your own. You can't right now get what the bus is worth. i have also an F250 and feeding it. is breaking my bank and there is no relief in sight. I am in NC helping my Father with his business and yesterday Diesel is now 4.16 a gallon. Even as attractive a bus is most folks are much more practicle than I and will sethe rising cost of fuel and pass on a bus for now. KEEP IT!!!
Quote from: mikewarmblood on April 22, 2011, 08:36:32 PM
We are living in the last times and need to be much more "portable" as this once wonderful country loses it's mission.
I couldnt have said that better. I hope I never need the Bus for anything other than going to see the kids. But if needs be, the Bus can be "plan B".
Quote from: artvonne on April 22, 2011, 09:52:27 PM
Quote from: mikewarmblood on April 22, 2011, 08:36:32 PM
We are living in the last times and need to be much more "portable" as this once wonderful country loses it's mission.
I couldnt have said that better. I hope I never need the Bus for anything other than going to see the kids. But if needs be, the Bus can be "plan B".
ditto
Quote from: happycamperbrat on April 23, 2011, 01:41:52 AM
Quote from: artvonne on April 22, 2011, 09:52:27 PM
Quote from: mikewarmblood on April 22, 2011, 08:36:32 PM
We are living in the last times and need to be much more "portable" as this once wonderful country loses it's mission.
I couldnt have said that better. I hope I never need the Bus for anything other than going to see the kids. But if needs be, the Bus can be "plan B".
ditto
Mass pessimism is absolutely the worst thing that can happen to us as a nation. It has a way of becoming a self-fulfilling prophesy.
This country has been through FAR worse than anything we are experiencing today. Two world wars and a major depression make today's problems look silly. We recovered from them and we will recover from this.
The only thing that can insure our downfall is a lack of faith by the American people that we can come back stronger. The only way that can happen is to defeat the enemy within us. They are still winning but the people will rule again one day.
Life is good and it will get better.
There are other things now that are much worse than then. We are losing our family unit dabuachery is at it's highest and there such greed it is awful I can go on but this is about buses and I don't want to get in trouble, but one last thought Isreal ( I support Isreal )is a nation again and we are the last generation I feel it is the way it will play out. I am not giving up I vote I talk to people I do what little I can and of course I hope for the best. But I am also realistic and until this great nation turns back to God we are screwed and I am just hopeing for the best and prepairing for the worse. THat is what we all need to do. And this young man is wrestling with either keeping his bus or not. I am hoping that he will keep it as it may prove to be the wisest decision he can make in these times. Buses are not selling as well as they were I see motorhomes parked in front of a lot of homes as I drive by week after week. I can get right now a 2003 Van Hool with a series 60 in St Louis for 86,000 7 years ago that same bus of the same age would have gone for 200,000. Buses are worth more kept than being sold for the pittance they get right now. Unfortunatly for sellers it is a buyers market right now. SO I SAY KEEP THAT BUS!!!!!! you never have to live in a cardboard box or a tent. My opinion. Mike.
This thread has taken a wrong direction anyway so I'll add a little more.
When I came out of high school in 1958 times were tough and I have saw unemployment over 10% several times before over the years and I always had a job may have not been the one I wanted but I had one and I never drew unemployment benefits in my life time nothing wrong with you pay for it and so does you employer.
Over the years these things work out this one is lasting because of the 4 stooges trying to fix it, get government out of the picture things will change but you cannot set around waiting on a government hand out that is broke.
You can be anything you want to be in this great country without the government involved just work at it and it will happen that is my take on it
good luck
Mike and Clifford,
Those are very wise opinions and I appreciate it!
About the buses... I am seeing more and more people letting their houses go back to the bank and buying rv's and buses to live in. Even with the fuel prices as high as they are, I think people will continue to buy Rev's. They are a home, and a lot cheaper than a house.
Gary
Gary, living mobile is the way to go I would love too.
Our system is broke as a property owner I never own the properties if I don't pay the taxes I lose it, really when you get right down to it you rent your own property back from some government agency should not be that way IMHO why does a senior citizen need to be paying school taxes on their home for lol last year I paid 30,000 in property taxes alone that is 2500 per month it is a crying shame,it won't be long before they come up with a away to tax the fulltimers
good luck
Clifford, I agree about what you say but first I think the government has brought us to our knees to depend on their handouts. When you came out of highschool a man could afford while he was broke to try his hand at making money. Now with the laws and government payback it is almost imposable. My daughter just the other day was talking me into buying her a snowcone stand for her to try her hand in business. I told her to get me a business proposal together and we would look at it. Start up cost were going to be around 10,000 to buy someone else's that has figured it all out after they bought into it. long story short to have 1 employee you have to sell 15 snowcones an hour just to cover them. you still have not payed for anything else yet. Being an all cash business you hope they don't steal two cones from you or they just made 10.50 for that hour. at the end of the day your better off barrowing your dads lawn mower and cutting a lawn for $20. I am far from moving in with my dad but only because I have a craft that I can take anywhere in the world and get a job. In schools today They don't have the shop classes like I did in the 80's and back. Wen need to get back to teaching kids to work instead of a job. The only problem is there is no real work in this country any more only jobs. Go look at any business these day and see if you could start it from scratch like you once were able to. Don't even think about anything industrial. If you did not get in before all the safety training you have to provide now you could never recoup your cost. Anyway we may need this country to fall on it's face to start over. Just my rant on this government I do just want the best for it.
Clifford, your just going to keep me going lol. I know you know what HAR.COM is I was looking on there for the most expensive house in Houston was. It was around 19 million. I looked at the tax info and it was valued at 5 million. The next house was 10 million and valued at 5 mill. Now my house is valued at 200 but I prob could not get 170 for it right now. So how does all that work out fair on property taxes. I feel your pain but when it comes down to it for value theirs are cheaper than mine. It's not all apples to apples for the the rich to the poor. Not that Any of us should have to pay what we do. My 1/8 acre lot is valued at $30,000 and the 5 acers down the street Is valued at $7,000. This country has turned into a joke but I will stand behind it and make the best of it. I still have a cell phone and satellite TV. I need to go to my lake house this weekend and relax. ;D
get government out of the picture things will change but you cannot set around waiting on a government hand out that is broke.
You can be anything you want to be in this great country without the government involved just work at it and it will happen that is my take on it
I totally agree.
You can Even be president. Just ask Obama. Just dont let our government catch you using your bus to make $100 one free weekend. That will cost you.
Art,
I understand what you said and what you meant. Surprisingly, or maybe not, it is easy to do the "wright" thing to/for anyone. Really, easy as pie. Disappointing? yes, sometimes.
I estimate considerably more than half that have heard that story consider me a monster. Truly....despicable as a parent. Now, many have just expressed their sorrow...as you have. The one I think was the most perceptive was a lady, not a romantic entanglement, that looked almost in tears who told me "John, you are the most loving and generous and kind man I have ever met. What that girl might have done to you for you to take that action I can't imagine but I am so very sorry for the hurt you must have endured." Of course she had only known me for a few years of frequent, weekly, social interaction and most probably hadn't discovered my "true character".
My Daddy said to me, many years ago, when I was in my mid thirties, we, meaning he and my step mother, "Son....we have a pretty nice nest egg saved up for you and your stepbrother to share when we are gone... I cut him off with "whatever you want to do with your material possessions is a matter of your personal concern. Personally, for my part, I will feel that you failed in your mission if you have a single red cent the day you draw your last breath. I want you to entertain yourself to every dimes worth. Understood?" I never dreamed I would be that guys care giver for 6 plus years but i got my wish and he got a zillion of his own. He passed in a really nice care facility and he was on Medicaid. He spent enuf time in Disney World to be a part owner and he went flying for more hours than Richard Bach and he ate in more restaurants than.... you get the picture. And it cost me every cent i had to keep up with him and I set his agenda. Now there is the point of their having spent hundreds of thousands on her son and his children and that guy's intense resentment of my Dad "wasting all that money on his own entertainment instead of leaving it to my kids". Some people are just Natural Born Givers. Ya know?
Some have sufficient capitol that they would be challenged to spend their accumulated wealth on themselves without doing foolish things and paying accordingly. God bless them. I don't travel in the circles of the extremely well heeled so I don't have any feel for the ratios, BUT, it seems that a big chunk of the people that came into large sums of money were pretty much ruined by that happening. I know it demolished the lives of my kids. There must be shrinks out there that can look at the kid and the parent and determine how best not to turn the kids life into a train wreck when the inevitable time comes. And if it turns out that the advice is "you will ruin him/her' then wouldn't the kindest and most loving thing be to pass the wealth on to a charity? I am a staunch believer in "experts" and their advice.....but then there is the flick "The Illustrated Man"....if you follow.
Musings at best,
John
Anyway with the political picture with our dollar falling and oil rising pretty soon diesel will be 5 a gallon then 6 a gallon and so on so forth. I have a bus in South Dakota that I can't get right now and I want it badly!! I see motorhomes on the end of driveways for sale and see the same ones everyday I drive past. IF it weren't for the housing crash I would not been able to keep my house and I am still on the verge of losing it just one more hiccup in my life it is gone!!!. I will not ever sell my buses and will try to get one more. in fact I am thinking of something to do to make some income with buses. I am good at figureing out how to repair rust and what not. Also I want to get into rebuilding parts. Anyway I am sorry for going of the reservation on this string. Suffice it to say,, to the original poster keep that bus because two things are most likely going to happen, if more and more people are going to RVs and buses they will be harder to get. You sell it now you may never get another one for a long time. I was driving by a house the other day that was foreclosed on and there was all kinds of stuff in the yard furniture clothes blankets two crying people. It is a tough heartless Godless money grubbing self centered hateful dispicable world we are living in and if they had a bus they would have a roof over their heads and you still do to. I think selling your bus is foolish. Mike.
That is some good advise right there! If anyone is thinking about selling their bus... They should read this thread.
Gary
I have never asked my parents for a loan and hopefully never will. If I did, I would have every intention of paying it off in full. My parents will retire in a few months and they won't have a lot of money to loan anyhow. I have no expectation of a financial windfall when they pass, but it could happen.
My grandfather is in his late 80s and outlived his money a few years back shortly after he went into assisted living. Luckily the government is paying his bills.
I'm not neither optimistic nor pessimistic about the economy. The biggest reason right now I could lose my job would be because of technology moving forward. It is less expensive to have the software companies host the software than for my employer to keep it in-house. We are already losing one major application to a hosted app and will probably lose more over time. In five to seven years the economy will likely be begging for workers as a huge retirement wave begins. Unfortunately, we all have to make it until then.
Jordon::: You have received advice from a lot of very wise people who have over come far more than you have and came back to the present generally better off.. NOW you need to man up and do the right thing with your dad and you you know what that is. Rember you can do what ever you set your mind. The ball is in your court.
WOW!