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Hey folks.  I have been looking around here for a good location to have a BCM Bus Rally.  I found a great location - Camp Jordan in Chattanooga.  Electric & water hookups, easy access drive up sewer dump, easy bus accessibility, etc. Dogs (on leashes) are welcome.  Lots of grassy athletic field grade park areas to walk on.  A small lake in the park.  It is part of a pretty large events center, depending on the week we did it there could be other interesting events going on in other parts of it.

However the park has a strict "No Alcohol Allowed" policy.  That is a non issue for me, but would it be a significant turn-off and reason not to attend for very many?  I would appreciate your input.

Do they allow guns and fireworks?


Personally, that seems a bit over-restrictive. I can see it for events, but if they also mean in and around private motorhomes, I think I'd have to think twice about attending.
Of course, it's their right to restrict such things on their property, but it's also our right not to rent from them.

Not that I'm going to get to attend anyway, but that's my thoughts on the matter as of today... tomorrow might be different, though.

wouldn't bother me. but I'm a non drinker. Close run for us about 4 1/2 hrs  Bob  Ps our 4-H center is the same way. What you do in your coach is ignored though.

Interestingly they have had gun shows and fireworks exhibitions there.  I have found that all of the govt. owned parks around here have "no alcohol" rules.  And that pretty much accounts for all of the facilities suitable for a rally around here.

My favorite campground here is Chester Frost County Park.  But there are no reservations accepted and only a 2-3 dozen spots that are bus friendly and they aren't all in one place.  Then there is Harrison Bay State Park, but their electric service is weak and trips out frequently.  And there is a close to level campsite in the area of the park that would accommodate buses.  The State Park at Nickijack would be an option, but there again no reservations accepted and like all the others, no alcohol.

Here is an aerial shot of the part of Camp Jordan that we are talking about.

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As long as they don't ask what I do inside the coach then it wouldn't bother me but if they intend to ask me on entry if I have booze onboard then it would definitely be a deal breaker for us.

They don't regulate access to events, that is up to those putting the event on.  They simply have signs and literature that says "please don't bring alcohol into the park."   I am sure the issue would only come up if someone was observed drinking an obvious alcoholic beverage (like from a beer bottle) while outside or if they were acting drunk outside.

By the way, the time period I am kind of thinking about would be September or October.  Would Labor Day weekend be a plus or a minus for folks?  Both months are generally dry and clear here.  October is a little cooler weather.   Early September can be pretty hot sometimes.  But the days are longer and there are more area attractions going on in September, especially around Labor Day.

Also, the photo I posted above is showing an "at capacity" event.  If we took it, we would have the whole space, and so we wouldn't have to pack people in that tight so there would be room to have awnings and slide outs open without crowding your neighbor.

I'm not a drinker per say but that does not mean I do not enjoy a drink occasionally. It wouldn't stop me but I think drinking in your bus should be ok as long as it is not brought outside.  Most places don't police your site to see if you are drinking and most places seem to not care if you put your drinks in a discreet container.

How about Monteagle? Or a little closer to Nashville, I could check out some places south of Murfreesboro for you.

It would be nice to have some rallies closer to where I am and more centrally located.

Would not stop me from attending.

Quote from: Charley Davidson on April 17, 2011, 03:00:57 PM
I'm not a drinker per say but that does not mean I do not enjoy a drink occasionally. It wouldn't stop me but I think drinking in your bus should be ok as long as it is not brought outside.  Most places don't police your site to see if you are drinking and most places seem to not care if you put your drinks in a discreet container.

How about Monteagle? Or a little closer to Nashville, I could check out some places south of Murfreesboro for you.

It would be nice to have some rallies closer to where I am and more centrally located.

That is probably the case here.  I'm not so sure how welcome the disposition of the empties would be, but we could handle a discreet collection and dump them in the shop's dumpster.

If this didn't work out we could look out that direction.  But with my tires and not being in position to replace them at the time, I am pretty much looking at keeping whatever I do local for now.

Mike Hill and I have even talked about the possibility of a small weekender dry camping "non-rally" right here at the shop sooner than that (like May or June). Food, beverages & bus stories, more like extended tailgating bus style.  As long as at least half were in after 5PM Friday and out by 8AM Monday, we could probably fit up to about 12-14 buses plus toads in.  But there would only be two spots with electric (besides me).

That may be a county law some places in Texas are what is called a dry county and no alcohol allowed any place in those counties except for the bootleggers.
That would sure exclude a bunch of Eagle owners I know including me lol


good luck

To bad it is so far from us.
We sometimes feel left out because we don't drink anymore so it would be great for us to know all are on the same page and none of those problems that go along with it.
In California state parks and Sacramento surrounding area parks you can no longer drink alcohol. In the State parks that have camping they don't check and most just put it in a glass and pitcher type set up or drink inside. Anyone that is stopped inside the park can get a fine if driving or creating a nuisance. Like the idea of the shop too. Might be the way to go now that money is tight just a little smaller or Mini rallies.

Dave

It's their sandbox ... If you want to play in it ... then you have to follow their rules.

Pretty self explanatory.  Life is full of choices, you make one and then abide by it.

BCO

With me as I drink very little, a beer every now and then I just have problems with rules so I would not play in their sand box I know what cats do in a sand box.
Move to the Caverns Mike I'll help you

good luck

Quote from: luvrbus on April 17, 2011, 04:29:20 PM
With me as I drink very little, a beer every now and then I just have problems with rules so I would not play in their sand box I know what cats do in a sand box.
Move to the Caverns Mike I'll help you

good luck

It was a metaphor Cliff, nothing more.  The Caverns are okay, but isn't he in Georgia or something like that?  He said that he didn't have a good working set of tires, so the Caverns is not going to work for him.  And then there is the fuel issue, which will progressively come into play more and more, he will need a small bank loan to travel that amount of miles (round trip AZ to GA).

As for rules, you and I know all about "rules" and how suffocating they are, don't we?

Hope you had a great weekend.

BCO

A little far for us to go, but...


What we do inside our buses is nobody's business. And I promise I would behave on the grounds, ;).

JC

Not being able to have a glass of wine or a beer with dinner would be a show stopper for us, Mike.  Lots of comments here about drinking inside the rigs, but I would assume that a rally would have one or more (or all?) group meals, and I just can't see having a dry dinner, say, three nights in a row.

JMO.  Which counts for very little since I can't really commit to coming at this point anyway.

If you needed me there to do a workshop I'd find a way to work around it, but I would not be happy about it, especially if we can't sit out around the campfire after class chatting with a beverage of our choice in hand.

FWIW.

-Sean
http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com (http://ourodyssey.blogspot.com)

We have a no alcohol policy at our campground. We also know that sometimes people discreetly consume some. That is our intention in the first place. If you want a policy to be followed you make a rule beyond what you actually want to have happen. The sign reads NO ALCOHOL but we have never had to police it because anyone who is consuming is doing it discreetly. What a person is doing in their own camping unit is none of my business. If they are bothering other people because it has altered their common sense it becomes my business. We would like to have a rally and this has been my concern whether people would be turned off because of our sign. Not against drinking but too old and tired to babysit anyone thats drunk and unruly. Strictly my opinion, but I'm allowed as long as I pay the taxes and insurance. KEEP ON BUSIN'!

Mike, my experience is that most parks that say "no alcohol" really don't care what you do as long as it's not obvious.  walking around with a beer would be a nono, but your favorite coffee mug filled with something else would be ok unless you advertise it.  No one checks coaches and rigs.  at least i've never heard of it.


no drunks, no trouble.

however, i am like a lot of the others in that i probably can't make it.  we'll still be working out west.

Ron, in all my years of rallies only one time have I ever saw Bus people get out of line with drinking and he was not really a bus owner but a guest of a owner so the bus owners put him in his place quick.
Quartzsite is a huge rally and it never happen but the one time and this year the guy came back and he was a totally different person,me I can kinda deal with a happy drinker but the obnoxious and loud ones I have a problems with even in a restaurant JMO. Then I have a problem with paying money for a spot and cannot sit under my awning in a lawn chair and have a cold beer if I chose no way would I try and hide it is just not my nature

good luck

I cannot imagine anyone staying away from a rally just because they can't drink in public.  I feel that anyone that can't go a few days, or meals, without alcohol has a problem they need to look at very seriously. 

That is why we were all created different Kat me I drink very little none right now lol but I don't have a problem with people that do drink the problem I have is someone trying to dictate to me what I can do when I paid for that spot and fwiw I have never been thrown out of a RV,State,Fed or County Park that had the signs " No Alcohol" never happen but it may someday

good luck 

Like a few other replies, we probably could not make the rally anyway.  All of our plans are on hold while our daughter fights her battle with cancer.

That said, I have very mixed emotions about the rule.  About the only time of the year that I have a drink is at a bus rally.  Somehow, it just seems to feel like a special time to have a good scotch during social hours.  So, in my case it is not being able to go a few days without a drink.  It is sitting around with good friends having a happy hour.  Quite different in my mind.

Jim

 Well sometimes there is a way aroung GENERAL RULES, seems that this year because of county rule  changes and the change in Rally hosts, The Arcadia rally was almost cancelled for the same problem, Seems when there is a   Management change then all grandfathered rules were out,But after several meetings with the county commissioners and the center, all alchol problems were eliminated  along with lots of other policies. alcohol will be allowed as always at Arcadia 2012.  We wish to thank all the Drinkers for their excellent record at  the Arcadia rallys.But to answer the original question, The NO ALCOHOL RULE, would devestate any  rally not just Busses,

Quote from: bubbaqgal on April 17, 2011, 07:24:40 PM
I cannot imagine anyone staying away from a rally just because they can't drink in public.  I feel that anyone that can't go a few days, or meals, without alcohol has a problem they need to look at very seriously.

Kat, that's a really judgmental comment.  There's a difference between "can't" and "don't care to" -- I would hope you could understand the distinction.

I taught motorcycle safety for the CHP for nearly a decade, and I can probably recite from memory the spiel about separating activities like riding a motorcycle (or driving a car, or a bus) from drinking.  I can separate drinking from anything; I don't care to separate drinking from socializing around the table after hours, when I don't have to drive (or operate heavy machinery).  Lot's of events call for my time around the country, and I have standing invitations in almost every state to spend some time and enjoy myself with friends.  Why should I go out of my way to attend an event where my relaxation is constrained to fit someone else's morals?  If you like a cup of coffee in the morning, would you go to a rally where coffee was forbidden?  How about a rally where women and men must sleep in separate beds?  A rally where women should have to cover their faces at all times with a burqa?  Surely you can do that for a few days, right?  So because you can do it, if you choose not to, you must have a problem you need to look at seriously, if I understood you correctly.

-Sean
http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com (http://ourodyssey.blogspot.com)

No alcohol a deal breaker? Really? Come on guys, the world has more to offer than that. I know why those rules are there. Has anyone ever camped around a bunch of drunken rednecks? It only takes once to see why a campground would just ban it outright. Folks that get by on one glass I tolerate, the minute I sense the alcohol talking, I'm done. There always seems to be one that just doesn't know they have become unwelcome. Now, if they ban chocolate milk, then I boycott.

Quote from: Barn Owl on April 17, 2011, 08:33:51 PM
No alcohol a deal breaker? Really? Come on guys, the world has more to offer than that.

Laryn, that policy is not a deal breaker for me when I work for the Red Cross.  It's definitely not a deal-breaker for me when I'm driving, or working on 12,000 volts.  It's not a deal-breaker when I visit friends who have a dry house, for whatever reason.  But when choosing how I will spend completely discretionary social time, yes, it is a deal breaker.  And, yes, the world does have more to offer -- specifically, rally venues that do not have this proscription are offered.

Remember, Mike simply asked if anyone would not attend due to this policy.  People are trying to give honest answers, which is unlikely to happen if what they get back afterward are either (1) judgmental comments implying they are alcoholics or (2) a bunch of people trying to talk them out of their position or opinions.

I would venture a guess that after the last few comments here, many (most?) people who might have posted they would not attend will simply keep that to themselves now, to avoid either being seen as having a drinking problem, or an argument about it on the board.  By contrast, people who don't mind coming to a dry rally, or those who don't drink at all, will continue to post.  So Mike won't get a good answer, because the results, non-anonymous as they are, will be skewed.

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I know why those rules are there. Has anyone ever camped around a bunch of drunken rednecks?

I know why the rules are there, too.  Mike didn't ask, though, if we wanted to come to a redneck gathering -- I think he was talking about a bus rally, which, if I understood correctly, would be a complete takeover of the facility.  I'd like to think we bus folk could police ourselves on such matters without need of a city ordinance.

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It only takes once to see why a campground would just ban it outright. Folks that get by on one glass I tolerate, the minute I sense the alcohol talking, I'm done. There always seems to be one that just doesn't know they have become unwelcome.

Well, OK, but then I would ask: how often has this been a problem for you at a bus rally?  Again, we're not talking about camping with the Tappa Kegga Bru fraternity from the community college down the street here.

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Now, if they ban chocolate milk, then I boycott.

Really? A deal breaker?  I thought the world had more to offer than that? :)  But as long as they have regular milk, I see now I can make a ton of money selling 8-balls of Bosco under the table. ;)

-Sean
http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com (http://ourodyssey.blogspot.com)

Let's please keep it friendly.  The goal here is to get a feel for how people feel about it.  So as to make it anonymous, I am going to add a poll to it.  Please vote according to whether you personally would attend a rally at such a facility.

Doing some research on State Parks and alcohol, I found this on the Maryland gov. site:

Do other state and county park systems ban alcohol consumption?

• All Maryland county park systems either ban the consumption of alcohol or require an alcohol permit with the rental of a picnic shelter.
• Alcohol is banned in 19 state park systems: Alabama, Arizona, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Nebraska, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Texas and Virginia.
• Alcohol is banned without a permit in five state parks systems: Delaware, Florida, New Hampshire, South Carolina, West Virginia.

I tend to agree that park rangers usually aren't concerned about people having a drink privately or discreetly.  Their concerns are behavior based.  As is the case in most matters of law enforcement, they get enforced when it becomes a nuisance or the get complaints.

I too like a little "nip" now and then. I dont like a bunch of rowdy drunks, but I would like to sip a beer or a glass of wine and not have to worry about breaking rules. Deal Breaker? Maybe!

Sean, I did use a broad generalized brush, but the intention was not to sweep you up or make you wrong. I had mine written, and I posted on your heels and I hope it wasn't taken as a response to your direct preceding post. You are not the problem, and I agree that those who are in the bus conversion community are not either. There have not been any bus conversion rallies here in the Appalachian mountains where I live, but there have been many redneck "lets drink 'til were stupid rallies". The camp ground I am thinking of is Lake Moomaw, run by the Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries. I don't know what their policy is, but I know what goes on there, and that is why I don't camp there anymore. It only takes one to mess it up for the majority who are respectful. How is a campground going to distinguish? They don't, and in taking out the least common denominator, they affect even the good guys. I just hate to see some good people not show over what I see as only a small temporary nuisance. BTW, I know what it is like to be a problem and have rules created thanks to those like me. After seeing my bus, campgrounds quickly enact the "no ugly camper rule". On more disclaimer, at this time of night, I am the only one that understands and appreciates my stupid humor. For anyone else reading this, my opinion doesn't make your opinion wrong, it just makes us different. I think we are closer to agreement than I know how to communicate it.

This is what I get to camp next to:

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The Trailer:
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We more than likely will not be able to attend, as we'll be in the Northwest.

If we were able to attend, and it's a non alcohol function, we'd still attend. It's no biggie one way or the other.

Cheers! ;D

All the parks I have been into the guys and girls are to interested in Pets on leash and clean up after your pet to worry about someone drinking a beer.
I notice on the list no mention of OK and Utah on there strange to me,AZ,Texas and Idaho that has to be a typo lol.

I have been in state parks in LA where vendors come in and sell frozen daiquiris from a truck like ice cream you got to love those Cajuns

good luck

  My only comment is to more or less side with Sean. I work hard, and after a long day escaping I like to let my hair down. The only other thing I can think of is that so many of our rights and freedoms are under attack, the whole PC thing and whats safe to say anymore so you dont offend someone. Sorry, I would rather go somewhere and risk parking next to Happy the Drunk, even if I choose not to drink. Because its my right to choose.

 Dont start a poll asking a question how we think, then criticise us for our response.

I figure that if I know up front I am not welcome somewhere, I'll choose not to attend.  I have a drink in the evening, in nice weather I like to sit out side in the evening.  If I am warned up front that the people who have invited me somewhere don't include that part of me, I won't attend.  Equally I am not offended by people who choose not to consume alcohol.  That is none of my business.

In State Parks, I acknowledge the rule by keeping any alcohol inside my bus.  But it's none of their business as long as I keep it inside and quiet so I ignore the rule to that extent. 

Brian

I answered maybe, because many other factors determine whether we go to a specific rally.  Whether alcohol was allowed would not be a determining factor. I don't think there would ever be a problem with having alcohol in your coach or drinking it in your coach. As long as you are not drinking in public or behaving inappropriately, who would know?  Jack

Quote from: artvonne on April 18, 2011, 06:47:16 AM
 Dont start a poll asking a question how we think, then criticise us for our response.

Just to avoid misunderstanding, I'm the one asking the question/running the poll and I'm not criticizing anybody's response to the question. (other than asking people to keep it friendly)

Pure and simple-if you can't go three or more days/nights without a drink-you probably are an alcoholic.  It doesn't matter if it is one or two glasses of wine with dinner, or consuming an entire bottle a day.  If you have any doubt as to if you're an alcoholic or not-try going 6 months without one ounce consumed.  I guarantee you'll go through mental with drawls and get extremely depressed (don't ask how I know that).  This is how I found out I was an alcoholic.  I now have 10 1/2 years sobriety with not missing hang overs and the constant cost of buying booze.  Good Luck, TomC

Simple question asked simple answer, yes, no or maybe this one is getting way off track I'm gone lol I vote no

good luck

  Its too bad this thread is taking a personal attack direction, but it was probably inevitable.

Quote from: HighTechRedneck on April 18, 2011, 07:35:46 AM
asking people to keep it friendly
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See, now that is what I mean.....unreasonable restrictions on Knut behaviors.  Gummint interference and all that. ??? ::) ;D

I used to spend a few weeks every winter in a RV park named Pioneer Village in Fort Myers, Fla.  It had a section named "Dog Patch" that allowed dogs...go figure.  What a wonderful spot.  Friendly?????  Holy Crap!  It used to take me 45 minutes to get out of there for all the folks coming over to say good Bye to Dad and I and Busy Black Bitch the Cocker Spaniel and Smokey Dog the Whippet.  That was after packing and starting the engine and most had stopped bye while we were packing up.  What a place.  I found that almost all were repeat visitors and some had been wintering for 15 years at that park.  The funny thing was that half those people did NOT own Dogs.  Half!  After getting that answer about the sixth time I finally asked "why do you always live in Dog Patch if you don't own a dog?"  The answer was "dog owners are great people and very social.  This is the only section of the park where everyone knows everyone else and we have a weekly POT LUCK and block off the street and set up tables." Yes, it was a great place and even my dogs got to know and anticipate seeing their friends every year.  Even when traveling without my pets I will not stay where dogs aren't welcome.....sets the wrong tone, for me, anyway.

I also prefer to stay with moderate drinkers or even heavy drinkers that aren't in my hair.  They seem to be a more tolerant and pleasant group, taken as a whole.  I found myself unable to drink without getting sick since 87 or 88.  I learned that I was a type 2 diabetic in 93 and also that I had been one since the mid 80's.  I can't drink, period.  But, here again, I would seek the company of moderate drinkers on the merit of their social behavior. I certainly would not avoid teetotalers, for sure.  Now as far as a drunk with a dog?  I get all misty eyed.

Mike,

I hope to travel back East and visit the Fla event and others.  i will list your rally as a lifetime Bucket List event.....unless it is at a "no-alcohol" and "no-pets" and no-German ethnicity location/facility.  Thanks for the invite.

John

Hi Mike. Had the rally been within range for us desert folk ;), it wouldn't be a turn off for us :).
 

How do they feel about smoking weed and blasting Willie and Waylan on the stereo?

My impression or feeling is exactly like Sean's.

My *behavior* would probably be to buy a six of very good India Pale Ale, put them in the fridge, enjoy the entire rally, and drive out with them forgotten in the fridge.

If the rule were to be "We have a no-alcohol policy and we reserve to right to search any vehicle that comes through our gates", then that would be a "H*LL NO".  If the rule were to be, we're going to walk around looking in peoples' coffee cups for alcohol, that would be a "definitely no".  If it's a "we prefer a place where people are responsible about drinking and the way that we enforce that against the idiots who would give us problems is to ask people to not display open containers in public and behave in a reasonable, responsible manner", then I wouldn't let that stop me.

I have been going to a music festival for over 20 years that has been held on a remote "environmental campus" of a State university.  The university's insurance policy has always been written -- "no coverage for any alcohol"; the insurance underwriters also require them to restrict alcohol.  Their rule to participants is "our insurance doesn't cover alcohol and we ask you to behave in a way that does not publicly display it and also behave in a way that is responsible in its use". (Of course, with our litigious society, if a drunk walks across a meadow in an "environmental campus" [i.e. not overly "civilized"] and trips on a drainage grate, he and his lawyer will sue the organizers, the university, their insurance company, the brewer of the beer and anyone else around -- and those defendants will have to spend more money than most of us have in our buses just to defend themselves even if they "win", but that's a political problem.)  I've never had a problem with that policy -- although I would prefer that it wasn't an issue.

Quote from: Len Silva on April 18, 2011, 01:43:00 PM
How do they feel about smoking weed and blasting Willie and Waylan on the stereo?

But But.....uh....you don't mean at the exact same time, do ya?  I mean that's..."nervania" for craps sake. ::)

John

My coach is nowhere ready for a rally but a "No Alcohol" rule would not keep me from attending such a rally. Of course I'm not much of a drinker so that's why it would not be a problem for me. That being said, I can see and understand where someone who does enjoy a drink or two might would have a problem with the rule and choose not to attend because they feel their freedoms are being limited.

Jimmy

I can do without the weed but Willie ,Waylon,and Lonestar Beer is not all that bad lol

good luck

Never again! my party was over before it began. Oh no not the three WWW's again!!!  ;D :-*

TomC,

You missed the point.

It is not whether or not one can go three days without a drink, it is whether one is denied the choice by arbitrary or moralistic rules.

>>>>>>>>>>>

Tom, the following is not directed at you, just a comment in general.

There is no place here for judgmental posts concerning other busnuts. One should only speak for oneself.

There is nothing immoral or sinful about drinking alcohol. The immoral part is judging others.

If the sign said "NO Drunks" it would make a lot more sense!!

Quote from: luvrbus on April 18, 2011, 02:39:18 PM
I can do without the weed but Willie ,Waylon,and Lonestar Beer is not all that bad lol

good luck

Smokin' weed makes you uh, uh, .... I forget.

BCO

I've been to many places where there was a "no alcohol" rule that was only there to provide a tool for the management to use if things got out of hand.
Never has anything been said about discrete drinking.
As for the right to choose - I'm all for it until it crosses the line.
I don't go to campgrounds looking for rowdy behaviour just like I don't go to bars & dance halls looking for peace & quiet.

That "no alcohol" rule is usually simply the result of inconsiderate behaviour of a few. . . .

Quote from: boxcarOkie on April 18, 2011, 05:09:33 PM

Quote from: luvrbus on April 18, 2011, 02:39:18 PM
I can do without the weed but Willie ,Waylon,and Lonestar Beer is not all that bad lol

good luck

Smokin' weed makes you uh, uh, .... I forget.

BCO

What were we talking about?   :D :D So no alcohol. That would be pretty hard to enforce. I wouldn't really have a problem unless they were fanatics like other things I detest when fanatics get involved. If it's to have some leverage against loud parties and such, all for it. If it's to have control over others with their ideas and beliefs then I really wouldn't want to be involved anyways. To each his own.

Quote from: luvrbus on April 18, 2011, 02:39:18 PM
I can do without the weed but Willie ,Waylon,and Lonestar Beer is not all that bad lol

good luck

  The picture I had painted of you completely flew out the window with that statement.

  Anyway, let me know when and where the BYOB Rally is and I'll try to make it.

Quote from: kyle4501 on April 18, 2011, 06:09:01 PM
I've been to many places where there was a "no alcohol" rule that was only there to provide a tool for the management to use if things got out of hand.
Never has anything been said about discrete drinking.
As for the right to choose - I'm all for it until it crosses the line.
I don't go to campgrounds looking for rowdy behaviour just like I don't go to bars & dance halls looking for peace & quiet.

That "no alcohol" rule is usually simply the result of inconsiderate behaviour of a few. . . .

You see, if Kyle had posted this before my post, I wouldn't have had to stumble all over myself trying to say the same thing. My post are a good example of where more words mean more confusion.

Anyone Netflix the West Virginia Whites yet?

In my many years of attending the EAA fly in at Oshkosh Wisconsin where federal law stipulates 8:00 hours bottle to throttle for drinking  I have never had a problem or second thought about drinking.
As rules on what someone can or can't do seems to be a restriction on personal freedoms and unless their personal freedom becomes a problem with someone else's sensibilities there should be no problems. That's my $.02

Quote from: Oonrahnjay on April 18, 2011, 02:12:48 PM
My impression or feeling is exactly like Sean's.

My *behavior* would probably be to buy a six of very good India Pale Ale, put them in the fridge, enjoy the entire rally, and drive out with them forgotten in the fridge.

If the rule were to be "We have a no-alcohol policy and we reserve to right to search any vehicle that comes through our gates", then that would be a "H*LL NO".  If the rule were to be, we're going to walk around looking in peoples' coffee cups for alcohol, that would be a "definitely no".  If it's a "we prefer a place where people are responsible about drinking and the way that we enforce that against the idiots who would give us problems is to ask people to not display open containers in public and behave in a reasonable, responsible manner", then I wouldn't let that stop me.

I have been going to a music festival for over 20 years that has been held on a remote "environmental campus" of a State university.  The university's insurance policy has always been written -- "no coverage for any alcohol"; the insurance underwriters also require them to restrict alcohol.  Their rule to participants is "our insurance doesn't cover alcohol and we ask you to behave in a way that does not publicly display it and also behave in a way that is responsible in its use". (Of course, with our litigious society, if a drunk walks across a meadow in an "environmental campus" [i.e. not overly "civilized"] and trips on a drainage grate, he and his lawyer will sue the organizers, the university, their insurance company, the brewer of the beer and anyone else around -- and those defendants will have to spend more money than most of us have in our buses just to defend themselves even if they "win", but that's a political problem.)  I've never had a problem with that policy -- although I would prefer that it wasn't an issue.

Now hold on thur Pilgrum.  Why is it you think the rest of us would give that yahoob a single dime.  You too aren't smart enuf to git outta jury duty but I suspect your smart enuf to see thru that one.  Me too.  You put your finger on the problem though, plain and simple.....POLITICS.  A bunch of slickers have you convinced that you are the only one smart enuf to see thru this crap.  Only you and the attorneys that they hire to blow smoke up your byecrackey till your eyes are grey.  BP gets all frothy in the mouth about the money they are paying out down in the Gulf.  They want that TORT law stuff brought to a halt.  So does the power companies that own neuc plants.  If we could just agree to limit the cases to just us and the ones we like we would be just fine.  Problem is some jerk is gonna start incinerating woman and children with some appliance even after he has been warned about his products liability and his solution will be to abolish TORT laws.  I'll keep my law and let you refuse to sue those God fearing capitalists that are only trying to make a buck and send their children to private colleges like Yale.  

FOR EXAMPLE  In Texas....God bless Texas... they tried mightely to abolish Tort Law.  Big Oil and Big Pharma and Big almost everything is really BIG down in Texas....God bless Texas...  W tried mightily to get Tort nixed and failed so his fall back was to have "Punitive Damages" limited to $200K for malpractice suits.  Well, I watched Dr. after Dr. troop up to the witness table and lament their mal practice insurance bill and lament how they could treat all the li'l chillans for almost free if it just wasn't for the high cost of mal practice that was driven to astronomical levels of cost cause the malpractice awards were just so dang nabbit hi in Texas....God bless Texas...that the philanthropic Insurance companies, really Big in Texas....God bless Texas...  So just look at how the cost of medical insurance has plummeted in Texas....Blessed be the name of the Profit.....er, God bless Texas.  Anybody know how Texas....blessed be the name of the state of mind/Texas.... compares to the rest of the country in terms of Mal practice insurance.....how bout medical services to ALL chill'ns under 40.  Or life expectancy as compared to the rest of the Corp. Colonies?  The USA is # 21 in the world and I am wondering just how much Texas....God bless Texas....is dragging us down...errrr...  I mean improving our national/international standing.

Now you gotta know I haven't even looked up a single tiny bit of the stats on this but I was there for the fight to abolish Tort law cause it would improve everything, even baldness.  Yep O Rooney, folks......sounded a lot like Snake Oil Salesmen or maybe a Pol with deep sympathies for the common mans BIG insurance company.  I'll bet there is a Texan....God bless Texans, everyone... in the crowd that will take umbrage at my very insinuating that all the blondes in Texas....God bless Texas....aren't natural  
Blondes.

Boy did this get legs or what?  And this being only my seventh cup of coffee since 7pm PT.  Anyway, Oonrahnjay started it....Honest.

As they say on the X Files...."The Truth is Out There".....Way out there.

John

After a long hard drive of 10 or 12 hrs, the first thing I do when I pull into a campsite is have an ice cold beer!
Then I'll have my second one as hooking up the shore power.

I have yet to go to my first bus rally. It would be really sad to not be able to eat and drink with fellow busnuts who have driven hundreds of miles to celebrate the hobby we all love so much.
Our wonderful buses!!

Quote from: kyle4501 on April 18, 2011, 06:09:01 PM
I've been to many places where there was a "no alcohol" rule that was only there to provide a tool for the management to use if things got out of hand.
Never has anything been said about discrete drinking.

Exactly.  Which is why I said that I wouldn't have a problem right up until the point where they ask me on check-in whether or not I have alcohol onboard. 

Where I come from there are a couple of "no alcohol" weekends at the provincial parks because of past misbehaviour by college age students.  On the Friday preceeding those weekends the cops will actually set up checkstops outside the parks and roust the kids, checking trunks etc for alcohol.  But if you appear to be over "a certain age" they just wave you through.  Its kind of depressing actually to get waved through.

Quote from: bobofthenorth on April 19, 2011, 04:50:00 AM
...  But if you appear to be over "a certain age" they just wave you through.  Its kind of depressing actually to get waved through.

Yup, just like when store clerks no longer ask for your ID when you buy beer.

I remember one time at Wal-Mart the woman ahead of me in line actually got upset when the clerk didn't ask for her ID and was fuming to her husband about how she must be looking old now.  The clerk was uncommonly smooth though.  He said something like "Your husband looked old enough to buy it so I didn't ask for your ID".  That made her feel better and the husband appeared relieved that the clerk had defused her.  It probably would have been a miserable ride home otherwise.

When I was 16, I worked in a convenience store.  The owner insisted I card everyone.  I can't tell you how many ladies that were sooo happy to show me their id.   If only I wasn't so naive.....   I could have had a really fun time,  wow,  the memories.... ;)   

sorry for thread drift....  I do agree the policy is in place so when things get rowdy and they can eject campers based on policy.  And also agree with Bob that after a certain age, well, we have earned the right and know how to hold our alcohol.  It is really about keeping the peace in the park.   Really think it is a non-issue for knuts.  Show up and have fun.  (plus, the stories always get better after a little nip or two) 

A female friend of Paulas who is about 65 was carded at the Thompson (GA) WalMart yesterday when she purchased a bottle of wine. She told the clerk "Thank you".  Jack

Quote from: Hobie on April 19, 2011, 07:09:31 AM
 

sorry for thread drift....  I do agree the policy is in place so when things get rowdy and they can eject campers based on policy.   

  Not necessarily. Some dry counties are vehemently against any alcohol consumption. Period. And it goes far beyond simply seeing drinkers as alcoholics or rowdies, and straight into the Bible and callin y'all sinners. Saying Jesus didnt turn the water into Wine, he turned it to Grape Juice (new wine), etc., etc.. Well whatever. I dont need to handle snakes to prove my faith either.

  I dont think any campground would ask to search your vehicle, and if they did they can kiss my a$$. But if they say no alcohol, they now have the right to evict you if they catch you, and it might be after dark and maybe sic the sheriff out to enforce it. Not my deal, after driving all day I want to get rid of my worries and kick back and relax, and I wont be paying good money to park in any Campground with a bunch of Nanny rules.

  But by all means, y'all go and have a great time. Looks like some wouldnt like having the likes a me around anyway.

 

Mike  :o ??? Were you in line with me?

Quote from: HighTechRedneck on April 19, 2011, 06:07:28 AM

Yup, just like when store clerks no longer ask for your ID when you buy beer.

I remember one time at Wal-Mart the woman ahead of me in line actually got upset when the clerk didn't ask for her ID and was fuming to her husband about how she must be looking old now.  The clerk was uncommonly smooth though.  He said something like "Your husband looked old enough to buy it so I didn't ask for your ID".  That made her feel better and the husband appeared relieved that the clerk had defused her.  It probably would have been a miserable ride home otherwise.

And as far as anyone having a little nip now and then and being called a sinner for it....... ya all should read what Noah did!

Hogwash anyway. Drinking, doing dope or just being plain stupid and sober........ we are ALL responsible for our own actions But I just dont like someone assuming Im going to be an idiot and policing me expecting me to be an idiot. If I start getting crazy and acting a fool, then YES eject me..... but dang, most people arent nutz!

Just have your Doc friend write a script for it, and you are legal... ;D

I don't have a toad because I have a trailer with my still in it that I take along. I guess I'm more concerned about pull through sites and the availability of corn and sugar at the site.  :) :D

Quote from: Chopper Scott on April 19, 2011, 05:36:00 PM
I don't have a toad because I have a trailer with my still in it that I take along. I guess I'm more concerned about pull through sites and the availability of corn and sugar at the site.  :) :D

What about firewood?

BCO

Quote from: boxcarOkie on April 19, 2011, 05:42:14 PM

Quote from: Chopper Scott on April 19, 2011, 05:36:00 PM
I don't have a toad because I have a trailer with my still in it that I take along. I guess I'm more concerned about pull through sites and the availability of corn and sugar at the site.  :) :D

What about firewood?

BCO

I use diesel!

I call it a Webastill. I tried making one that used vegetable oil but the booze smelled funny!