I just bought two Toyo's for my curbside drive axle on the eagle. 11R-24.5 They were $868.38 out the door installed. I have been buying 2 tires every two years, but I deferred to three years since my last purchase. This gives me 8 years for each tire. I always put new tires on the steering axles and rotate the older ones to the back or bogies.
When I bought my first tires they were $230 each installed. I think the tariffs imposed on the import tires has raised the price a lot and of course the price of oil has a lot to do with it, too.
New shoes for the coach are pricey :o :o :o
David
Your plan about 2 new tires every 2 years is what I am going to do as well. I just bought all new last year, so next year would be my first year doing that. I read just this last week of another bus nut pricing the exact same tires I paid about $230 for last year, at $400...... OUCH :o no idea how much they will be next year.......
Hey guys I am trying to deal on a repo 2003 Prevost the po sold the tires off it would you believe 900.00 bucks each for Michelin 315/80/22.5 plus taxes,mounting and balance,found Toyo's in Oregon for 803.00 each total man that will make you nervous owning a bus lol
good luck
Same here, need to replace the bogies and got about the same price. ;)
Brat,
MORE! Their greed is boundless. And you are paying for that increase in shipping costs, as well. Funny thing....I priced the Ni Cad bats for my Maketa 9V drill. Really old school tool. Cost 17 a few years ago and $20 last year...I think it was. Yesterday they were $40. FOR THE BATTERY. One battery now and it wasn't even charged. I passed! So down to Harbor Freight I went and got a drill and bat and charger on sale for $24. Boy o Boy are those Chinese fierce competitors! Crimey!
Where does this end? How, for the love of God, can anybody living on SS make it?
John
$1,100.00 in California mounted for 2 and remount 2 new ones I have and put those on too.
I just priced out tires for my trailer as they are 10 years old. I was told a substantial price increase is coming when the distributor is out of the current batch of this tire. Trailer tires are a whole lot cheaper than bus tires.
I dread buying new tires next year or year after for my bus. I'm starting to save up now.
I recently bought 2 11r 22.5's. I think it was about $675, total for a Chinese brand.
Boy my $2,300 for 6 Hancook's before Jacks was a good deal.
and i thought that was bad.
also diesel at 3.09 was bad coming home from Jacks was bad Tuesday coming down to the eagle rally $3.69
will it ever end.
uncle ned
Quote from: uncle ned on March 31, 2011, 06:20:38 PM
also diesel at 3.09 was bad coming home from Jacks was bad Tuesday coming down to the eagle rally $3.69
$3.69 is cheap for diesel these days. $3.99 most places here in the Minneapolis area. Almost $160 difference on a 525 gallon trip.
Tonight on the news in Cally they showed diesel at $4.89 :o
I you're going to buy tires-do it now! The price of tires in the remainder of the year are going up substantially. Why-there is a shortage of tires. What caused this? American big truck manufacturers sold about 250,000 trucks last year. China sold about 800,000-which country do you think the tire manufacturers would rather sell to first? Good Luck, TomC
Now Tom. Far be it from me to take issue with what you have said. But, I have another take..... China made/sold 800,000 vehicles last year and we made/sold 250,000. Our industry is coming out of the great "recession" and theirs hasn't seen that deep a rut. We should have a ton of excess capacity and our rubber companies should be scramblin to cut margins and capture market share. You know! The good old days with the "wild west" and when men were men and the sheep were nervous. And "bidness" made sense on the surface of it.
But that ain't whats happen'n Buba. And I ain't talk'n bout the sheep being all laid back and relaxed. We are just hiking the price with seeming impunity like we didn't give a hoot about market share. Could it be...... I'm just a spitball'n now here....could it be that the tire companies have a share of those cursed price cutting Chinese companies and the domestic tire companies are making it with both hands and regardless of which hand the cash actually lands in first? Maybe, you say? Could be...possibly....just a chance.
Didn't somebody really really important right here on our very own BB say that Michelin owned a Chinese tire company? Why is the Chinese manufactured line the only one that doesn't carry the Mich name? Mich makes tires in every country in the west and Japan and probably Korea. Why would they hide their involvement in Chinese. What tire company in China is hooked up with Goodyear or Firestone/Bridgestone or Goodrich? Kelly big enuf? Dayton? Toyo? Something is cooking and it isn't simply the cost of oil....do the arithmetic.
Rush said it is the teachers unions that are doing and he has proof. i saw him wave that proof at the camera and heard him rattle the pages on his talk News show. retch. It isn't just fuel for our buses or rubber but more at everything. We just gotta cut Social Security cause all those greedy seniors are gonna suck the system dry. Save it by cutting it completely cause that is the only action that makes sense.
Tires? arggguh! We are circling the drain, folks. What good is our bus going to do us if we run out of drivable roads and cross-able bridges.
Lets not forget that US Steel was running it's domestic manufacturing facilities, currently called the rust belt, into the ground and accepting greater and greater amts of Korean and German steel into the market at cut-rate prices. Now the Chinese are forcing their way in with even cheaper steel and the price for that commodity has skyrocketed despite all this international "competition". Remember when GM bought Opel and Chrysler bought Renault and since they own big chunks of Toyota and Nissan and here come the Koreans again and you will never guess who is the biggest mfr of autos in the world today. China! Brace yourself for some really big and short lived bargains. No wait....Harbor Freight is still pounding the competition.
Tricky Dick saw the HUGE potential that China represented and he gets credit for opening up Communist China to western investment....though he claimed to be opening it up to Western competition at the time. Again, it's the BANKERS. Follow the money, Stupido.
Not to worry though cause the "right" people have us focused on the National Debt and deficits and balancing the budget and the ever popular "CUTTING THE FAT". We are currently headed towards solving our fiscal problems with a meat ax to Medicare, the health care system, the Dept of Education, eliminating the Dept of Ag and the Pure food and Drug Admin. Oh yeah..we are going to save a ton on eliminating the NPR. Then we ax the PBS and the food stamp program. We are on track to ignore the real culprits and if you open your mouth about it you are branded a cursed "LIBRAL".
Don't get me started,
Guess
As my wife is fond of saying, everything seeks its own level. There are always spikes when something like fuel goes up. But then the economy falters, people lose jobs, people buy less, or cheaper items, and then trucks sit parked. I dont think I would join the kneee jerk society yet. If tires are going up just wait a while.
The thing that worries me about the price of tires on the buses are the owners trying to save money by using cheaper and smaller tires than the bus was design for.
I have no choice but to go with the 315/80/22.5 as the bus has 9 inch wide rims and the sucker is heavy the 315's are almost maxed out the front is real close
good luck
OTOH, in how many other countries in the entire world would owning your own bus for personal use not be the ludicrous idea you could think of?
As the price of Crude Oil goes up so do the products that rely on Crude Oil.... (That means EVERYTHING)
ALL products rely on Crude Oil at some point...
Transportation is the most direct link we see but there are others...
All plastic uses petroleum, so all of the plastic packaging from the Blister pack that contains your individual product to the Stretch film used to hold a pallet of product together for shipping is relying on Crude Oil.
Tires are even more dependent of Crude Oil because the tire is made from rubber and that is made from... you guessed it... petroleum.
If you think that going to alternative fuel vehicles is going to stop our dependence of Crude Oil you need to look around and see all of the products that we consume that are made from Petroleum....
.
You used to laugh at the prices we paid in Canada...
When our dollar was low.
Now your dollar is low, it ain't funny any more, eh?
US dollar has lost a lot of purchasing power, so things that come from elsewhere will cost more of those cheaper dollars, as well as the run on fuel.
The huge profit margins being squeezed tight due to economic conditions are a variable thrown in for further confusion.
Running a coach has always cost, and always will.
Of course we can choose a pleasant spot and put it up on blocks...
but then, the spot will cost too...
happy coaching!
buswarrior
Still lots cheaper than a comparable boat.
still lots cheaper than a comparable boat.
you got that right no way can you pump 3800 gals of diesel in a bus at one time see how far go can go using 58 gals a hour @ 26 knots and cost over 2 grand a month for parking lol,but you don't need tires
good luck
My history book and Bible taught me that people used to sail around without petro....
Not this guy lol
good luck
Quote from: happycamperbrat on April 01, 2011, 09:42:09 AM
My history book and Bible taught me that people used to sail around without petro....
Have you priced a suit of sails recently? Trust me, tyres and diesel are cheap. And I had no idea that there was any yachting in the Bible - I really must read it sometime.
Len Silva has it exactly right - the price of bus tyres may seem extravagant now, but don't forget that the idea running these 40 foot long, 10 ton+, diesel-guzzling monsters for your own selfish pleasure is essentially absurd. Rightly or wrongly, whether things are seen as being 'socially responsible' is going to matter more and more in the future. Governments around the world are already using punitive taxation as a way of guiding people away from (for instance) driving SUVs or going on long-haul holidays. It doesn't bear to think about the number of ways they could hit the private ownership of 30-year-old buses if they chose to.
Jeremy
A friend commented to me a few days ago that "a hundred dollars sure is not much money anymore," my reply was that depends on if you are spending it or earning it. :)
Rick
What do you gals and guys think about used tyres? There is a company near me that scavenges them from state vehicles with predetermined tyre life expectancy... That is, they are only allowed to be on the vehicle for a certain # of years regardless of mileage (I guess it is to protect themselves in this sue-happy society?) and then they must be replaced.
IMO this seems much better than retreading, especially since buses tend to sit around, which can damage the retread.
Any input??
If you can find good used ones at a dramatic savings, I'd say go for it.
I have obtained used tires from a friend who runs transport trucks. 2 to 3 years old, virgins, 50% tread for $100 each. That was a couple years ago. The $100 was how much he would have got for the casings from the retreaders. That was great for me, because I don't use them in the winter.
JC
Quote from: buswarrior on April 01, 2011, 07:37:19 AM
You used to laugh at the prices we paid in Canada...
How much are you pay for a gallon of diesel up there now days?
belfert asks, How much are you pay for a gallon of diesel up there now days?
About $4.65/US Gallon in Creston, BC
About $4.53/US Gallon in Abbotsford, BC
These are from Flying J's website
I've driven from Boise, ID to Athol, ID three times in the last two months, and haven't seen diesel under $4 anywhere. Athol is running $4.25 and Boise was $4.10 two weeks ago.
But if I had a bus, I'd happily pay it. The roads out here are so bad they're damaging my truck. Three times in the last two days I've had the engine shut off when I hit a pothole. Having a bus would mean we wouldn't be out here living with my parents - not a bad thing overall, just that the roads are horrid and we're 20 miles to any job prospects in any direction.
Diesel here is still at $3.99 most places. Not quite as bad as Canada yet. I'm wondering what it will be come my next long trip in August. The last time I took the bus down to Witchita, KS diesel was around $4.25 in 2008.
I'm still waiting to hear how much my trailer tires will cost. One place quoted $93. The price now is actually lower than last summer. The other vendor hasn't called me back.
Anja,
There is one "plan" that involves trading your tires in after 5 years. They are not worn even a little. A trucker will wear out his new tires in a year or less. So you trade him your 4 or 5 year old "new" tires for a decent price and swap on his used tires that have 25%. Supposedly you can substantially reduce the cost of a tire per year in doing this. Others just buy a used tire that is only a couple years old and run it for 5 years. That sounded like my plan or at least something close. $100 for the trade in value plus the vig and mounting and balance and I think you are coming in at less than $200 per tire that will last you 4 or 5 years. 200 X 8=1,600/4=$400 per year for tires. Sound right? Your real problem is in matching the tire diameters and model. You need a large tire store or get lucky with a trucker that is about to change out all his tires and will sell them to you for the trade in allowance.
Many won't mess with recaps or take offs on the steering axle. They put only new on there. To me: a good tire is a good tire. I think recaps don't suffer if the weight is lifted and you will have Hyd jacks on all four corners when parked or stopped over night...right?
You don't need to switch out all the rubber at one time. Look for a good deal on four hiway traction tires for your drive axle. Put a couple nice used steer tires on the front and almost anything serviceable on the tags/bogies. Not all tires ride comfortably and BK could tell you what to stay away from.
If you put a good tire pressure monitoring system on her that will also alert on temp you can be more relaxed with stuff like recaps. They start to shed a cap and the temp goes up but the pressure rise isn't enuf to trigger the alarm. Then BOOM and you are crippled and lost maybe two tires. Just any TPMS is better than nutt'n but I would hold out for temp as well.
If you can create a machine shop to allow you to overhaul your engine then congering a tire shop that is friendly should be no challenge to the like of you, Samantha.
Good luck, young lady,
John
Quote from: belfert on April 01, 2011, 06:32:52 PM
Diesel here is still at $3.99 most places. Not quite as bad as Canada yet. I'm wondering what it will be come my next long trip in August.
Ive seen it high, and ive seen it low. I just cant trust anyones crystal ball telling us whats its going to be tomorrow, or whats its not going to be. I am buying a Bus with the full knowledge we may see fuel pushing $6 gallon someday. I feel that if I can roughly double the fuel economy I get now, then it wont cost much more then.
I really like Johns idea about used rubber. It isnt so much the cost, though thats a real factor, so much as the trust. I have much greater faith in a tire after its been traveled a ways and proved itself than I do a fresh skin thats never seen blacktop. They dont run race cars, Indy Cars or Formula One cars in a race on new tires for the exact same reason. And no one but a fool will trust a new airplane engine. Many pilots dont feel safe until the engine shows 25 - 50 hours without issues.
Quote from: artvonne on April 01, 2011, 10:14:55 PM
I have much greater faith in a tire after its been traveled a ways and proved itself than I do a fresh skin thats never seen blacktop. They dont run race cars, Indy Cars or Formula One cars in a race on new tires for the exact same reason.
Actually that's not the reason at all. Race teams 'scrub' new tyres to remove the outermost layer of rubber, which is shiney and slippery and covered with mould-release wax. It only takes a lap or two at most, and I believe it can be done by machine as well. It's nothing to do with not being able to 'trust' the tyre. (Although I understand your logic on that issue, and don't disagree with it)
Jeremy
I think you are both right. Except that I don't believe that a tire can be "scrubbed in" by a machine. That's the opinion of the man on the street, mind you.
Just in the last two days I payed $326.17 for one off brand Samson tire plus an additional $45.00 for a good used Budd rim. All just to get the bus in driveable condition. Has any one ever heard of Samson?
We put a couple on our drive axle. So far, so good. We haven't put more than 200 miles on them.
Good luck.
Tom Caffrey
Quote from: Len Silva on April 01, 2011, 06:36:22 AM
OTOH, in how many other countries in the entire world would owning your own bus for personal use not be the ludicrous idea you could think of?
Now Len,
I admire your posts and appreciate you contributions and we agree with frightening regularity, you gotta small a "but" coming, right?, while I strongly agree with the fact you are stating, I gotta nearly throw up at the inference. Reminds me of so many conversations I have had where my simple (Ace, take note) statement of fact got met with BLOW JOB, BLOW JOB, BLOW JOB Grrrrr Oral sex. Or BLUE DRESS BLUE DRESS. OR, Whitewater. More of late if you say Health care initiative you get BIRTH CERT< BIRTH CERT. Same-o, same-o. To the point here, we get all hissy about the price of tires and along comes q defense of the tire industry robber Barons and their price fixing gouging ways and we get America the Beautiful wrapped in a flag. Our opportunities, such as they are, are a topic change to this thread. Talk BP oil spill and a Brit will inform you that the British retirement system is heavily vested in BP as though that had a bearing. Am I ever off topic.....often and heavily...and it is OK to call me on it...really.
So here is the Axiom that I live by(when I do) GOOD ENOUGH IS THE ENEMY OF BETTER. And excellence in one area does not legitimize failure in another or ever lawlessness. We can buy buses, and that is great, but that doesn't make the price of a tire more legit. We are TWENTY FIRST in the world in terms of FRIGGEN LIFE SPAN. France is number 10 and I'll bet the frogs are up in arms and storming the Bastelle over that national disgrace. THE FRENCH! The average waiting time for emergency room service in a French hospital is under 6 minutes if not life threatening and instantly if it is. We have the same expediency for accident and heart problems but our wait time is 12 to 14 hours if I can believe what I read. And this from the country with the "most advanced health care equip/sys in the world". Aren't we all to be a little upset about those numbers? I am. Or is the answer something like Monica, Monica, Monica.
Not many years ago I was perusing the international stats on child death rates. I am still short of breath on this but there it was in black and white....Bulgaria was ahead of us at number 48 or some such. Bulgaria is the most backward of the Soviet states and the Soviets were not anywhere near the front o the pack. As C. Everett Coop said: "the concern for the life of the baby stops at birth among XXXXX in this country. XXXX being a political persuasion of he whose name must not be spoken. That list goes on and on and it gets progressively more and more depressing. Prenatal care, an absolute must for the health of the babe and Mom is woefully lacking in out beloved. Post natal care is also abysmal. Mention this in mixed company and you hear about how much better out TV programs are than those in Europe or how few children die from cobra bites in Massachusetts. Or the absolute best of answers "That is just a pack of liberal lies and I won't stoop to refuting it with facts". And why, I might ask, does my interest in the medical care we provide to children and infants "PROVE" my politics?
See what I mean?
John
I guess it all depends on whether you are a robber baron or the victim....
You can't have it both ways.
Capitalism in all it's gory glory, or ?????
happy coaching!
buswarrior
Quote from: buswarrior on April 09, 2011, 11:39:59 AM
I guess it all depends on whether you are a robber baron or the victim....
You can't have it both ways.
Capitalism in all it's gory glory, or ?????
happy coaching!
buswarrior
BW
I don't follow your post. And I want to do that....trust me. Can you repeat your thoughts with a little more ???? Off-line by PM or Email is good as well unless you don't want to do that. I think we have gotten off topic or at least I have.
Thanks,
John
Summarized for the thread drift:
I'll suggest that we proudly pay whatever price it is we have to pay to maintain and use our converted coaches, enjoying the freedom to move about when and where we see fit, in whatever safe conveyance we desire, all over the continent. And be able to invent whatever job or service to facilitate that that comes to mind.
In my last post, I was suggesting that the winners in the games of capitalism are not complaining or worried about the current state of affairs.
Otherwise, wouldn't they be changing them?
And you really don't want capitalism "adjusted" in some way do you?
happy coaching!
buswarrior
I strongly agree with all except for the "adjust" part. YES, I do most certainly want the capitalist process monitored and policed and "adjusted: in every way possible and needed to allow the capitalist system to flourish. There is only one law that comes to my mind that isn't designed to limit the power and prevent abuse. That would be the law of gravity.
History is so full of records of abuse that it boggles my mind that any are not on edge about history repeating. The Dark ages were an example of the corruption of the Catholic church with power and it led to horrific abuse. Slavery led to .....never mind. Read "The Robber Barons" and taxes start to look vital to our survival. Antitrust? Monopoly? Tyranny? All power run a muck. And they try to eat away at the LAWS enacted out of desperation to curb the abuses.
Yes, yes I do want Capitalist monitored, controlled to a degree, exposed to transparency and severely punished for transgressions either codified specifically or implied. "Unjust Enrichment" punishes Capitalists for breaking laws that are not written.....ask the Hunt brothers about silver market manipulation.
You don't need a degree in History. But you do need to not believe that a degree in History doesn't prove you are a Liberal and untrustworthy. That is the min. That this isn't always the case is why so many of us are so thoroughly armed and equipped and proficient.
Are we on the same side of this issue and saying the same things and making the same points?
Thanks for your answer.
I don't think so, I'm more inclined to align myself with the robber barons.
In this modern day, I am a serf, a peasant, a commoner.
And I am content with that. Those who have more, set the agenda, not I.
Just as it always has been, just as it always will be.
However, unlike days gone by, with capitalism, I have the opportunity to join their ranks, by the simple application of my smarts and my labour, and a bit of good luck.
If you can't beat 'em, maybe best to join 'em?
happy coaching!
buswarrior
Quote from: buswarrior on April 09, 2011, 11:19:52 PM
I don't think so, I'm more inclined to align myself with the robber barons.
In this modern day, I am a serf, a peasant, a commoner.
And I am content with that. Those who have more, set the agenda, not I.
Just as it always has been, just as it always will be.
However, unlike days gone by, with capitalism, I have the opportunity to join their ranks, by the simple application of my smarts and my labour, and a bit of good luck.
If you can't beat 'em, maybe best to join 'em?
happy coaching!
buswarrior
That is exactly what they want you to believe, and how the robbers are able to keep power.
If you support us gazillionaires, perhaps one day you too, can become like us.
It is true that a very tiny minority have become wealthy because of smarts, labor and luck, the number is extremely small. Yes, you can cite Gates, Jobs, Zuckerberg, et. al., they are few and far between.
The vast majority of the robber barons' success depends more on cunning, wiles, accident of birth, lack of scruples, and being connected, than it does with any special talent or ability.
They will feed you crap and convince you it's ice cream, and that one day you can have all the ice cream you could possibly want.
90% of the people are being screwed and 10% are doing the screwing and making you believe it's not rape, it's really true love.
Let's move to a new thread I'll title "a discussion about Robber Barons"
Give me a few minutes to copy and paste it together, and this thread can stay about tires.
happy coaching!
buswarrior