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Title: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: fredcliff on February 27, 2011, 02:05:37 PM
I checked out this site and found MY BUS  It is NOT for sale!! and NOt a 91  I have emailed them to no avail to remove it


    www.bargainbusnews.com/Buses/2263-1991MCIMCI (http://www.bargainbusnews.com/Buses/2263-1991MCIMCI)
Title: Re: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: Jeremy on February 27, 2011, 02:25:28 PM
Not to hijack the thread, but another bus for sale on that site is this one:

http://www.bargainbusnews.com/Buses/1732-1980BristolVRT/ (http://www.bargainbusnews.com/Buses/1732-1980BristolVRT/)

Its a 1980 Bristol VR, for sale at $59,900


Here's an almost identical bus for sale in the UK at £6,000:

http://www.usedcoachsales.co.uk/coach.ihtml?coach=797 (http://www.usedcoachsales.co.uk/coach.ihtml?coach=797)


Anyone want to start an import-export business with me??


Jeremy


Title: Re: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: Oonrahnjay on February 27, 2011, 02:50:48 PM
Quote from: Jeremy on February 27, 2011, 02:25:28 PMNot to hijack the thread, but another bus for sale on that site is this one: (snip) Its a 1980 Bristol VR, for sale at $59,900    Here's an almost identical bus for sale in the UK at £6,000:  (snip)

It's very common, Jeremy.  You see these ads all the time, such as a tatty RouteMaster (in North America) for $125,000 (but, of course, that's only £75,000 UK Sterling).  If it's an "antique". it must be worth a lot, right?  Anyone who falls for these deserves what he gets.
Title: Re: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: Barn Owl on February 27, 2011, 03:07:10 PM
Why would someone go to the trouble to do this? Some sort of scam?
Title: Re: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: fredcliff on February 27, 2011, 03:38:36 PM
Well all I can say is mine is not For Sale and I bought for alot less then they have it listed and with the upgrades I have done would be asking lot more
Title: Re: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: thejumpsuitman on February 27, 2011, 03:56:39 PM
Why don't you email them posing as a buyer?  See what they are trying to do?  Get some info and get them busted.
Title: Re: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: happycamperbrat on February 27, 2011, 03:59:14 PM
There must be a law broken somewhere with this...... I would imagine the site did it to up the potential cliental and do a sort of bait and switch. There might be like a copywrite law broken on the photos or something... if someone went to them posed as a customer and asked about your coach wanting to buy it only to be told they dont have because they sold it there could be damages for travel I suppose. Maybe you should consider contacting the Better Business Bureau to alert them. Ive looked at the site plenty and admired some of the buses on there when I was first looking to buy, Im glad I never did business with them! The coaches they advertise are way overpriced anyway.
Title: Re: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: somewhereinusa on February 27, 2011, 04:03:52 PM
That guy seems to troll the web, steal the pictures and description then offer on his site for more money. Others seem to be doing it too. A couple of months ago there was a Gillig listed on his site as well as about four others. Same pictures same description misspellings and all. This guy says he's in PA, one was in CA, and another in TX. It was also listed on e-bay.  I guess if he can get his price, he can buy it from whoever has it and make a profit.
Title: Re: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: luvrbus on February 27, 2011, 04:19:27 PM
Took me 3 months to have him remove a Prevost I bought from a guy for 1/2 the money he had advertised fwiw he has a Eagle there on the site that is not for sale
Title: Re: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: RJ on February 27, 2011, 04:29:40 PM
Fred -

Here's the guy who owns the domain.

Suggest you WRITE him a letter, return receipt requested, insisting that he remove the listing for your bus from his website within 10 business days from the receipt of your letter.  In addition, politely let him know that if he doesn't, you will turn the matter over to your attorney for legal action.  Then do so, if necessary.

www.busesforsale.com (http://www.busesforsale.com) LLC
      Tom DeFulvio
      1501 Baltimore Pike
      Springfield, PA 19064
      US
      Phone: +1.6105446625
      Email: busesforsale@comcast.net


Good Luck!

FWIW & HTH. . .

;)
Title: Re: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: busnut104 on February 27, 2011, 04:31:20 PM
I see that he has my listed also # 2182 Boy I would like to be able to get that price.
Title: Re: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: Barn Owl on February 27, 2011, 04:37:40 PM
He must be fluffing his site to make it look like he is a major player and to increase traffic. How does he handle it when a buyer shows interest for a bus he doesn't have and cannot show? Play a buyer at first and find out how much dancing he can do before you pull the rug out.
Title: Re: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: John316 on February 27, 2011, 04:38:18 PM
Has anybody figured out who this guy is?

That is one of Sam Walker's website. He strikes again. For those people out there, that told me, that he has probably changed....this shows me he hasn't.

I suggest calling his DA. CC his DA on your letter. Calling the consumer fraud line. Something along those lines. He doesn't care about anything else....Oh wait. LOL, see if you can get his parole officer involved ;D.

God bless,

John
Title: Re: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: luvrbus on February 27, 2011, 04:44:19 PM
I knew it was Sam but I didn't want to stir the pot lol he is posting at top dollar for the people  


good luck
Title: Re: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: RJ on February 27, 2011, 04:45:36 PM
John -

Quote from: John316 on February 27, 2011, 04:38:18 PM
Has anybody figured out who this guy is?


Oh, that's right.  Isn't this Tom character the fellow who "supposedly" took over Sam's operation?

???
Title: Re: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: wildbob24 on February 27, 2011, 05:11:55 PM
Appears to be quite the scam. Googled the address and came up with this:

http://tinyurl.com/Busforsale (http://tinyurl.com/Busforsale)

Don't see any bus yards anywhere near this address.

Bob
Title: Re: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: boxcarOkie on February 27, 2011, 05:15:14 PM
Quote from: fredcliff on February 27, 2011, 02:05:37 PM
I checked out this site and found MY BUS  It is NOT for sale!! and NOt a 91  I have emailed them to no avail to remove it


    www.bargainbusnews.com/Buses/2263-1991MCIMCI (http://www.bargainbusnews.com/Buses/2263-1991MCIMCI)

How do you suppose it got in there to begin with?

BCO
Title: Re: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: happycamperbrat on February 27, 2011, 05:27:30 PM
This Sam Walker probably lurks here and some other popular bus sites I would imagine....... Nice lookin coach Fred! How come Sam didnt use mine with my bungee cord bay doors?  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: Nellie Wilson on February 27, 2011, 05:46:05 PM
Thanks Fred!

Darn nice bus! The guy said you handled the rebate stuff... said I'd get it when I took delivery.

Nellie

PS. Don't forget to top off the tank before you arrive.  ;)

Title: Re: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: Oonrahnjay on February 27, 2011, 06:03:04 PM
Quote from: wildbob24 on February 27, 2011, 05:11:55 PMAppears to be quite the scam. Googled the address and came up with this:
http://tinyurl.com/Busforsale (http://tinyurl.com/Busforsale)
Don't see any bus yards anywhere near this address.

Yes, on Google Earth, it appears to be a fairly ordinary office building, although it's sort of odd that it is connected by a driveway to the church next door.  Google also shows that a beauty salon and spa is in the same building, as is a lawyer's office, and a building cleaning service.  The kicker is that "Avalon Lease Services" has that address (although it might not have an actual office there) with the same phone number as the "bus sales".  Wonder who "Avalon Lease Services" is?  "Avalon Lease Services" also advertises auto insurance -- I wonder how all this would go down with the PA Insurance Dept.?
Title: Re: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: desi arnaz on February 27, 2011, 07:39:39 PM
who is the real owner of this bus? should be easy to figure out as only 12 were made???
http://www.bargainbusnews.com/Buses/2103-1940GeneralMotorsFuturliner/ (http://www.bargainbusnews.com/Buses/2103-1940GeneralMotorsFuturliner/)
Title: Re: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: Barn Owl on February 27, 2011, 08:15:37 PM
Quotewho is the real owner of this bus? should be easy to figure out as only 12 were made???

Wow! He is the go-to man. Maybe he can list that NASA Neoplan half baked conversion and help the seller out.
Title: Re: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: Barn Owl on February 27, 2011, 08:25:57 PM
QuoteWow! He is the go-to man. Maybe he can list that NASA Neoplan half baked conversion and help the seller out.

Oh, I'm sorry, he already did............
Title: Re: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: travelingfools on February 28, 2011, 05:43:20 AM
Lets not confuse this with busforsale.com in Tenn. He is a legit buisness and an honest fella. Bought my bus there a few years back.
Title: Re: What I found!!!! Its Not for sale!!!
Post by: John316 on February 28, 2011, 05:49:28 AM
Quote from: travelingfools on February 28, 2011, 05:43:20 AM
Lets not confuse this with busforsale.com in Tenn. He is a legit buisness and an honest fella. Bought my bus there a few years back.

Good point. That is correct. The difference is the guy in Tenn is not a liar. LOL Big difference.

God bless,

John