After having good mileage gain results with smaller HHO systems on my truck and car diesels. Wondering if it will work on a two stroke ?? or will the large amount of scavenged gasses just clean out my exhaust :) (first twostroke with a dpf like clean out ..lol)
i started thinking about it, when i got into a talk with some truckers, that have HHO systems on their rigs.
they claim to get gains up to 2-3 mpg. one system was on a detroit s60 and the other on a N14.
anyone???
HHO?
Fools, if this worked, it would already be installed by the manufacturer.
Those truckers are even worse at taking fuel mileage measurements than busnuts are!
Trucks are for making money and built that way
Cars are for fleecing the customer...
http://green.autoblog.com/2009/03/30/so-sayeth-popular-mechanics-hho-systems-do-i-not-i-work/ (http://green.autoblog.com/2009/03/30/so-sayeth-popular-mechanics-hho-systems-do-i-not-i-work/)
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/gas-mileage/4276846?series=19 (http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/gas-mileage/4276846?series=19)
happy coaching!
buswarrior
I'm sure Cody (ahem...Libby) will post soon. He has a deep insight into these systems, and will be able to offer valuable advice.
Jeremy
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In heavy trucking, it is generally accepted that the driver, all by himself, can change the fuel economy of the truck by 30%, just by his driving habits.
What happens when he suddenly gets fuel economy minded?
He spends his money on gadgets, at the same time his driving behavior changes...
Horrible science.
A Busnut's biggest fuel economy opportunity is the nut behind the wheel, and that's free! Instant payback.
Hardware costs money and has a payback time, often beyond our duty cycle.
Disclosure: Yup, stealing folks' money with this stuff rubs me the wrong way...
next on the soapbox?
happy coaching!
buswarrior
Good reads Buswarrior
I tried a very high output system on a diesel PU and got nothing in return. Waste of money and time Jerry
Quote from: buswarrior on February 20, 2011, 06:39:05 AM
Fools, if this worked, it would already be installed by the manufacturer.
Those truckers are even worse at taking fuel mileage measurements than busnuts are!
Trucks are for making money and built that way
Cars are for fleecing the customer...
http://green.autoblog.com/2009/03/30/so-sayeth-popular-mechanics-hho-systems-do-i-not-i-work/ (http://green.autoblog.com/2009/03/30/so-sayeth-popular-mechanics-hho-systems-do-i-not-i-work/)
http:
//www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/gas-mileage/4276846?series=19 (http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/gas-mileage/4276846?series=19)
happy coaching!
buswarrior
so you really believe the manufacturer will give you everythink they have ???
I was in F/C Colorado for an alt energy fair I had been wanting to attend for a few years, finally got to go & was highly disappointed in the fact not very many of the systems for anything (solar, wind) and specially HHO were functional.
There was a HHO Hummer there but "Conveniently" had no HHO fuel. I love alt energy and am all for experimenting (it's very fascinating) with anything that will save me money & free me from foreign fuels. But unfortunately too many people buy into every "snake oil" product/idea there is out there wasting time and money.
The only "true" alt energy fuel I have found to virtually free you from fossil fuels is WVO so far but I do believe there are many more options.
When it comes to fuel economy in heavy trucks, they're giving everything they've got.
Way too much riding on it, in a world wide competitive environment.
If someone has something to make the most fuel efficient engine, they would rule the heavy vehicle sales by deploying it.
That is a completely different environment than that of the personal auto.
Where compromises are made for what they think their customers want in "drive-ability" and the completely upside down world of auto marketing and its manipulation for profit making.
Like, why isn't there a modestly sized diesel engine choice with great fuel economy offered in a big three pick-up?
In spec'ing a heavy truck engine, those choices exist and are exercised regularly.
happy coaching!
buswarrior
Quote from: buswarrior on February 20, 2011, 07:30:43 AM
When it comes to fuel economy in heavy trucks, they're giving everything they've got.
Way too much riding on it, in a world wide competitive environment.
If someone has something to make the most fuel efficient engine, they would rule the heavy vehicle sales by deploying it.
That is a completely different environment than that of the personal auto.
Where compromises are made for what they think their customers want in "drive-ability" and the completely upside down world of auto marketing and its manipulation for profit making.
Like, why isn't there a modestly sized diesel engine choice with great fuel economy offered in a big three pick-up?
In spec'ing a heavy truck engine, those choices exist and are exercised regularly.
happy coaching!
buswarrior
then i am just wondering why most fuel efficient engines or trucks are not allowed to be brought into the us ?? or does anyone still believe that a truck that uses less fuel wont meet us emission standarts !!!
grown up driving trucks for living in germany, i have seen whats possible in mpg in the semi world!!!
it looks like this post is going into the wrong direction !!!!!!
i dont wanna get lectured about hho and if it works. i am not talking about some ebay kit for $200 , that claims to safe you fuel.and in the real world it would not even let your lawnmover run on it. i have done my research and lots of tinkering. had a lot of trial and error, but got where i wanted.
came into fuel cells as storage for the excess power of my solar system for my off grid home.
and yes , lot of people told me re systems wont work. and no you cant live off grid.
after more then 5 years now off grid , with no utility bills to pay, i can prove them wrong!!
yes you can!!!
so again this post was to ask about specific problems with a two stroke on hho.
will the blower or the long scavenge times for the gasses give me problems?? what to watch for etc....
Isn't there "water injection" systems that supposedly help your fuel mileage? Or is this the same thing your talking about?
Wow, I don't think anyone is lecturing, just offering advice, opinions or knowledge on a subject you asked about. I can tell you my personal experience with the systems( which we installed almost 20 of) but none of them were on 2 strokes. I did all my research hands on in real equipment not google surfing. My intent was to install it in my 8V92TA but after never showing a mileage gain on any vehicle and actually causing damage to one I decided it was a waste. If you have done your research and know your system works then install, see what happens and let us know. I always willing to learn. My best fuel saving upgrade so far is miles per hour, 55 to 65, works evrytime. Good luck
Quote from: Charley Davidson on February 20, 2011, 04:51:36 PM
Isn't there "water injection" systems that supposedly help your fuel mileage? Or is this the same thing your talking about?
Water injection isn't really about increasing mileage, more about preventing detonation destroying the engine - it's used on forced induction engines running very high inlet manifold pressures, where the injected water cools the charge enough to ensure it burns rather than detonates.
Some systems inject a mixture of alcohol and water.
Jeremy
The best money to spend on research and engineering is someone elses. I would prefer someone else break thier motor working out the bugs.
How are people supposedly generating HHO in a vehicle? Exhaust heat? Im just trying to figure out how you get a net gain from a greater net loss.
Quote from: buswarrior on February 20, 2011, 06:54:00 AM
In heavy trucking, it is generally accepted that the driver, all by himself, can change the fuel economy of the truck by 30%, just by his driving habits.
What happens when he suddenly gets fuel economy minded?
He spends his money on gadgets, at the same time his driving behavior changes...
Horrible science.
A Busnut's biggest fuel economy opportunity is the nut behind the wheel, and that's free! Instant payback.
Hardware costs money and has a payback time, often beyond our duty cycle.
Disclosure: Yup, stealing folks' money with this stuff rubs me the wrong way...
next on the soapbox?
happy coaching!
buswarrior
Excellent insight into a driver's habits. My experience is driver input, mph and keeping the engine in it's operating range (fuel consumption curve)
Quote from: buswarrior on February 20, 2011, 06:54:00 AMDisclosure: Yup, stealing folks' money with this stuff rubs me the wrong way...
Come on, BN. It's very easy to make these HHO units work - especially the ones that run on power off the alternator. All you have to do is repeal the laws of thermodynamics (and a couple of the other laws of physics) and it's a breeze. Only thing easier is separating a fool from his money.
One question that I have: if you're generating enough HOH (Brown's gas) to do any good, and you introduce it before the blower; could you not have an explosive gas situation under compression? Not that I know, just asking.