First, let me say, this is not "off topic"
Second, let me say, I know nothing about iggle frames.
Third, I'd be very interested in hearing your plans for the lift. I'm currently working (mostly in my head) on a set of plans for a lift I can mount to the
front of my MC9 which will include a ground level loading and power lifting capability to mount a large bike. I intend to include a roo bar on it for protection
from the rampant roos in Nebraska and Wyoming, as well as a doghouse made from my old front and rear fiberglass caps to cover the bike and keep
the bugs and roo guts off it.
Please keep us posted. Photos would be great!
craig
I have to agree, this isnt off topic. But I think putting the bike in the front as extra protection is very wise indeed!
There is not much that you cannot do with an Eagle frame. I would not hesitate to hang a motorcycle rack on there. Just need some common sense fabrication skills.
A few years ago I saw one where the guy had used a small electric winch to lower and raise the platform. Semes to me he had the platform with pins so he could un do the pins and then lower the bike to the ground, his was a Harley.
It was a few years ago and I don't remember much about it except I thought it was a good plan.
ED
I'm expecting my lift will be removable to get to the spare tire carrier behind the bumber. Also, I'm anticipating making the lift replace the front bumber when in use, and a set of headlights will be mounted into the lift that can be plugged into the bus. So when the lift is on the bus, it's headlights will be in use. When it's off the bus, the normal headlights will be in use.
I thought about the ramp idea, but I can only imagine the carnage of me trying to drive a 500 lb motorcycle up that ramp and keep it in place while I get it tied down. Not gonna happen. Better to drive it onto a 4" wide piece of channel iron that is flat on the ground, tie it on, and raise it up. At least for me. My motorcycle experience is limited and they
still try to get the best of me when I'm not looking.
craig
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Quote from: edvanland on November 19, 2010, 09:34:52 AM
A few years ago I saw one where the guy had used a small electric winch to lower and raise the platform. Semes to me he had the platform with pins so he could un do the pins and then lower the bike to the ground, his was a Harley.
It was a few years ago and I don't remember much about it except I thought it was a good plan.
ED
I've been considering that. I like the idea of using air solenoids off the bus air supply, but a small winch could certainly be made to work.
I'll also be replacing the stock bumper to do this, so it would be relatively easy to attach the winch inside the bumper to protect it from the elements.
Of course, if I do this correctly, there's absolutely no reason I could not modify my rear hitch to accept the lift, also, and I could have a choice which end I want to mount it. Or,
I could build two lifts! :)
I probably have what a lot of you guys could use as a foundation. These are motorcycle carriers that are very well built and slightly heavy. Designed to go into a receiver but too heavy for removal. Plans were and have been done with great success is to buy a cheap bolt together trailer usually found at harbor frieght and mount it all together. If anyone is interested, I can post pictures and deliver to Arcadia. For the cost, you couldn't buy the material!
Cody,
My point was that the back end of an Eagle is very substantial. I don't think you will have any problems with it. One downside to a rear install is engine access, especially if something happens on the road (with smoke) and you have to get in there in a hurry.
1987 Goldwing 1200 dry weight is 743#. Add 50-75# to that for liquids. That is a lot of weight on the front of the bus not counting the mechanism holding the bike. MTC, The rear is a better option if it is possible.
DEMOMAN
I have not seen this done on an Eagle, but I believe it could be. You might have to add some additional bracing to help transfer the weight though to more further forward. I know the frame on ours is pretty stout, but I'm sure a little help wouldn't hurt.
Can't wait to see how this turns out cody! Pictures or it didn't happen! ;D
The only problem I see with it will be the oil your engine puts out. After it gets all over that wing it will look like a Harley. I hope for you it won't make it hard to start. ;D
Isn't anyone concerned about the weight of all this? My bus weighs around 39000, give or take a black/grey tank. that's a few pounds over weight for the specs, although not for the tires. i've already got about 20k on the rear axle and about 12k on the front.
doesn't a way overbuilt rack, with lifts, and a 1000# bike do anything to suspension and some other stresses?
Just asking, i assumed buses were overbuilt for safety, but isn't this stretching any limits?
You guys need to come hang with us for awhile.
Here's pictures of the Harley on the front of a MCI and the Harley carrier on the back of an Eagle. 8)
Hey Cody I found this info in Jims Shepherds story in BCM Dec of 09 . He saysthe weight difference between a 6v92 and a series 60 is about 600 lbs and about 400 lbs with a 8v92. Iam sure that hanging a 800 lbs of motorcycle and iron off the back of an Eagle wouldn't matter much , I would think that if your welder friend would not steer you wrong if he's doing the welding . You might ask Chopper Scot for his ideas , He's a welder and bus owner . Just my thoughts
Quote from: Ace on November 19, 2010, 09:53:13 AM
I probably have what a lot of you guys could use as a foundation. These are motorcycle carriers that are very well built and slightly heavy. Designed to go into a receiver but too heavy for removal. Plans were and have been done with great success is to buy a cheap bolt together trailer usually found at harbor frieght and mount it all together. If anyone is interested, I can post pictures and deliver to Arcadia. For the cost, you couldn't buy the material!
Well crap! I had plans to come to Arcadia this year, but those plans changed due to a death in the family earlier this year.
Sounds like just the thing for my rack.
Maybe you could send them north with Belfert. Send me some photos of what you have.
Most buses are pretty close to the max load on the front axle, so I don't think it would be good to think about putting an extra load on the front.
Before we start on the back, recall that adding 500 pounds (or whatever the load) on either end is not adding the same weight to the axle. There is leverage involved and a quick "summation of moments" (engineering 101) calculation will show what the real impact on the axle is. The axles are probably strong enough to take the load, but the suspension components may not be (especially true with the Torsilastic springs)
Now lets go to the back. Adding 500 pounds is the same as putting a 5000 pound trailer on the back in terms of vertical load on the frame structure. 1000 pounds would be the equivalent of a 10K trailer etc. As we all know, the trailer subject comes up fairly frequently and the discussion always digresses into a debate (like oil and antifreeze >:().
In those discussions, i stand on the side that extreme caution must be exercised. For the most part, the structure on these buses were not designed to have large vertical loads applied back of the bumper. Then you have the impact of years of corrosion on the structure. I have seen Eagle tubing (structural members) that are perhaps 1/2 the wall thickness of the original tubing or less. My Eagle is not too bad as far as rust is concerned, but when I did my engine conversion, I decided to "double tube" all of the structural tubing in the area. I had to be very careful when doing the welding not to burn through the compromised original tubing.
Jim
I know that it would be a hassle but if i was going to haul a bike, i think that with all things considered i would use a trailer.
I'm with Ed as far as hauling a bike by using a trailer but then again I have several trailers. If you do decide on the carrier route I would opt for a lift type system and not a ramp with that size of bike. I have no idea what the frame of your bus looks like but after seeing pics of others doing such I'm sure you can also.
Cody ;are you still planning on towing jeep also??? might be a deal breaker.
Cody, Any thing can be done, properly. Since your welder sounds more than qualified to do the needed fabrication, that is gonna be half the battle right there since metal shavings are not your forte. As Jim mentioned the reinforcing of the engine compartment will be critical in building the lift you want on the rear. Talk to Sonny Gray and a few others about what has been accomplished successfully back there. ;) :) :)
My concern with the extended hitch is that it is harder on the steering components of the towed. The further the ball is from the rear axle, the harder it is.
When you make a right hand turn with the bus, the towed first makes a left hand turn followed by a right hand turn. The more the ball pivots, the worse it becomes, theoretically to the point where the towed goes lock to lock.
We really have two issues here. One is how much we load up the rear axle and Torsilastic and, two: is the rear structure strong enough to support the load.
Lets look at the first one. If we take a very simplistic look at the loads and assume there is no bogey, then the "summation of moments becomes very easy. I just measured my Eagle and the distance from the front axle to rear axle is roughly 293 inches (within a couple of inches - good enough for this example). The distance from the front axle to where the load would probably be concentrated is approximately 416 inches. If we sum moments about the front axle and assume a 1000 pound load (I think that would be low with the structure that Cody is looking at) it looks like this:
1000 pounds * 416 inches = X pounds * 293 inches. X (the increase on the rear axle) would then calculate to be 1419 pounds.
Obviously the bogey will handle some of that load. Will that be too much - probably not, but I just wanted to point out what happens when you put a load about 10 feet behind the axle.
Even the best hitch fabricator is attaching to the existing structure. If the existing structure has not been compromised much, it might handle the load. Personally I would not hang even 500 pounds on the back of an Eagle without reinforcing the structure to offset the affects of corrosion and possible lack of strength of the original structure.
Jim
One thing you guys forget is the bottom frame is not tied into the roof frame on each corner that has to be addressed before hanging that much weight from a hitch.
I weld tubing and tie the 2 together as tough as the Eagles frames are people do overload the rear but that said I have seen lots of Eagles with motorcycle racks on the front and rear
good luck
I agree, if your Eagle is in good shape, then 5 or 600 lbs is not even going to be noticed. On the other hand, a big bike hung on the back would make a great hidden corrosion detector.
Cody, when you install a 60 series in a Eagle they re index the boogies to carry the weight and FWIW the 15 with the series 60 used a heavier rear axle,Jim is not going to tell you wrong he puts a lot of research,time and energy into these items maybe to much LOL but I go with him
good luck
Cody, baggage bays are not structural on a Eagle they were design to carry 1200 lbs ea
good luck
Not supposed to hang anything off GM's but here is Art's bus with the Goldwing hanging on the rear. He made his own lift with an electric winch.
Cody, people have done it and you could too. I think that what is being said is that even though it is being done there is the potential for problems and those problems could be serious. I don't think that anyone is trying to rain on your parade, they are just trying to make you aware of areas of concern. I am sure that you could have it fabbed up by the best welder in the world and still have it fail sometime down the road and yet somebody else could cobble it up with bubble gum and bailing wire and run with it for years. Some people are just really lucky and some aren't. I have seen people do things dozens of times with no problem that if i had tried to do would have crippled or killed me. And i have done things that other people would never try to do because of the same reason. It all depends on your comfort level i guess. :)
put a wheel under carrier like the ones they use on tag trailers with large tongue weights when they pull them..crazy wheel. off the wall and prob not necessary.
Cody,I was just trying to inform you on how the Eagle frame was built and rebuilding your baggage bays will not add any strength to the Eagle frame it has a truss frame at floor level from front to back
Slides can cause problems on a Eagle also just like they do on a Prevost or MCI it is not a given by any means like I said people install those carriers on the back of the Eagles anything is possible if you throw enough cash at it this is not coming from the metal police but the school of hard knocks lol so have at it my friend
good luck
Kind of got behind on this thread, so this a a bit late.
Lets talk about the installation of a four stroke. The extra weight is not all that great. Often, folks remove the miter box and factory air and that offsets the increased weight. But the real factor is that the added weight is only slightly further back in the frame.
I really want to be clear here, the Eagle frame structure design is not marginal. It will take some fairly decent overloading, as many folks have pointed out. My big concern is how much the structure is compromised by corrosion and fatigue from years of use. The second big concern is how much overload is too much. We have a member of our chapter who had a frame failure. He hauled a big stacker trailer. Conversely, we have a member who hauled a fairly large trailer back and forth to Alaska many times and never had a problem.
My second goal here is to point out the impact of leverage - hanging a big load out a significant distance from the axle.
It is done all the time, but I always feel that these discussions need a perspective that cautions new members to be aware of possible issues.
Jim
Cody, we were posting at the same time.
You seem to have taken the attitude that we are badmouthing the work done on your bus. Certainly not the case on my part.
Many of us try to use these threads as a basis for not only addressing the poster's question, but for the benefit of other folks reading the thread. This is especially true of new folks doing searching of older threads.
I vaguely recall the work that was done on your bus. At the time, I recall thinking it was well thought out and was of quality workmanship.
Here is where the rub comes in: these frames (not just Eagles) were developed over many years based on both engineering (I assume) and lots of first hand experience. Then we come along and start hacking on that structure. When we do that, we begin to modify some important structural characteristics. One of the major characteristics is torsional rigidity. All of theses buses were made to flex (both longitudinally and torsionally). When we hack on them, we change the loading distribution of the "system".
Another way to say that, is that bulking up the structure with lots of reinforcing, can theoretically cause problems. It might make the structure so stiff that the loads are not shared properly.
A structural engineer would pull his hair out if he looked at some of the modifications that folks make to their buses.
Why do most folks not have problems? Probably lots of factors. First, our modifications are not being asked to go a million miles (failures are fatigue related and it takes a ton of cycles to to produce many failures). Secondly, most of the modifications are probably not sufficient to compromise the original structure to a level that will cause premature problems.
Please, PLEASE, do not take my comments as some sort of challenge to the work you have done and will do in the future. My goal is to let folks know that modifying our beasts should be done with care.
Jim
Wow does reading this thread ever bring back memories if when I started my conversion! Never could do anything right and the replies I mostly got were from wannabee dreamers! Guess what? Everything I did and was advised not to is STILL working as planned!
My advice, forget the many opinions and just get it done or you will find, as you already have seen, yourself in a long winded never ending debate! Only you and your pro welder will know if it's right for you ir not!
In another forum I asked a question about cutting a hole and reinforcing the frame on my bus. Wow! Two people actually got in a big fight over it and both of them ended up quitting the forum after taking multiple below the belt type jabs at eachother online. Modification of the basic body design does not seem to go over well for many people, no matter the bus or experience/qualifications involved. The old song goes something like "you cant please all the people all the time, so you got to please yourself"
Cody, i was in a different forum, (not buses) and found this. www.cruiserlift.com (http://www.cruiserlift.com) thought this might be of interest to you.
I must have missed that Cody,....or else i forgot it! :) Heck, i don't even remember what is at the top of this page. :) First thing i do in the morning is look in the mirror and then at my drivers license and if the pictures matches my face i can look to see what my name is. ;D
Folks do what they want on their coaches makes no difference to me one way or the other this post is all about weight distribution Cody refers to engine weight the 6v92 weighs in at 2020 lbs dry that is setting in a 38 inch area,the 8v92 weighs 2414 lbs in a 44 inch area the series 60- 12.7 weighs 2630 lbs spread over 57 inches. He and his welder can support the bays but when it gets down to it means nothing on a Eagle if you have not seen one of these ladies naked it is hard to understand how a Eagle distributes the weight.
good luck Cody on what ever you choose to do
Go for it I won't offer you any more info
good luck
Cody, it seems to me that your bus is completely unlike any other Eagle, so you and your friends are the ones who can decide if it can support extra weight. The point about drawing the leverage points out and seeing what the weight will do to axle loading is well taken, if you hang an extra 1,000 lbs ten or twelve feet behind the rear axles, you'll transfer weight off the front and onto the rear axle, the calculation is easy if you draw it out. As far as a bike carrier/rack is concerned there are a lot of factory made ones around to copy, you can do hydraulic or winch lift. I'd personally do it so the carrier went down to ground level and the bike rolled on then got lifted, the ramp type are pretty much a pain even for a little scooter.
Without seeing your bus I don't think anyone can have a clue as to if it was done right or wrong, or if what you put in is better or worse than what you took out. All I can do is say have at it, fill your boots, and make yourself happy! That's what I strive to do every day, some day's I make it, some days I go to bed early...
Brian
Cody, I wasn't aware that you put a completely different frame under your Eagle (two 6" I beams). Maybe others weren't aware either? Any pictures of what you did would be helpful and interesting. A picture is worth a thousand words someone said.
Wow, interesting thread!! I too have a few hash marks as a welder but, I'll leave it at that.
But, the cruise lift link was some really good info for me!!! Even tho I make my living as being creative, I had not thought about the way the "Swivel 78" works, on that site. A very cool idea!! And if the swivel will slide forward it creates it's own ramp. That, to me would be the way to go. It could also add extra room for hauling other stuff on the sides. Very neat item!!
Fortunately, I don't need one for my Harley. I keep a bay open just for it. All I have to do is drop my bars and I have 1/2" to spare. But a Garbage Barge (big bagger type bike) would never come close. (mine is a '46 Knucklehead)
Thanx for the thread and info guys!
Chaz
Here are my 2 cents worth. I have an eagle and a big problem with getting all my toys to where I am going and back. One solution I cam up with was exactly what your speaking of. If you look at the frame in front of where your 6v is mouted you will see a hole in the frame that is 1 inch. That frame is solid steel. Utilizing the holesI want to be able to mount a carrier for the rear but leave the original reciever hitch in place. I was thinking of using c channel with a 1 inch hole drilled to match the frame holes and bolting the channel onto the frame. The c channel would then of course be extended to the rear where it would hole the expanded metal platform for a 4 wheeler (GRizzly 650) A slide in and out ramp is all I would need to load that beast. An extension in the reciever hitch would then be added witht he pin to hook the boat trailer to. That way the weight of both the 4 wheeler and the boat trailer tounge would not be working together when you hit a bump in the road. It would also allow you to take the 4 wheeler platform off and on as needed
wal1809, I am concerned about your design. As you point out, the engine rails are pretty strong. However, they are supported by the tubing structure in the compartment and that is the area I have been expressing concern about in terms of corrosion and fatigue degradation.
Next, you are moving the load out another foot or so from my calculations (four wheeler is wider than a motorcycle). Next, I would think the weight of a four wheeler and the support structure would be more than a large bike and that adds to the problem. Lastly, you are then going to add the tongue weight of the boat trailer at a point at least 3 feet from the rear bumper. Even with a small boat trailer, that would be a lot of bending moment on the frame.
I think a much better approach would be to have a platform designed that would be added to your boat trailer. It could be permanent or removable. You would then have the four wheeler on the boat trailer and part of the weight supported by the trailer axle. If you used an equalizer hitch system, it would remove some of the downward bending moment on the hitch.
A word of caution (are you guys tired of hearing me say that ??? >:() on equalizer hitches. They put what I will call a "positive" bending moment on the frame structure (think wheel barrow handles and a lifting effort on the back of the bus). That type of loading must be considered in the hitch design. For the most part, any good hitch design would be OK with an equalizer hitch, but it is possible to fabricate a hitch and only consider the down force loading.
Another possibility would be to fabricate a small trailer for the four wheeler with a hitch on it for the boat. The double trailer might not be legal in some states and you would have to a address the storage issue in a campground.
Jim
Hello rvsafetyman !! I still think it will work. We did discuss the possibility of extending the tounge on the trailer and putting the platform for the 4 wheeler there. The only problem is I usually have 2 boats at all times. It was not a problem witht the Ford Excursion as I welded in a hitch reciever on the rear of the 16 foot flatbed. I tow two 4 wheelers on the flatbed and the boat behind it. This whole problem stems from needed a launch vehicle. That is what the 4 wheeler is used for.
I really have not figured out how to cure this problem so I have decided to leave it be for now.
By "equalizer hitch" do you mean something like the "crazy wheel"? Seems to me that something like that would certainly help. (??)
Better look at the frame rails a little closer Wayne it is not solid that bolt hole is just a insert welded into the box
good luck
Chaz, my term equalizer hitch is an old term that we used to use. I think the correct term is "weight distribution hitch". It is a system that uses two spring arms that attach to the trailer and "lift" up on the hitch. Here is a link that will show the concept:
http://www.southwestwheel.com/store/c-156-weight-dist-hitch.aspx (http://www.southwestwheel.com/store/c-156-weight-dist-hitch.aspx)
I am not a fan of auxiliary wheels unless they are designed as a SYSTEM. I have seen platforms that are mounted on the rear of a vehicle using two vertical pivots and a single caster wheel. If the platform is not pivoted, the vertical movement of the bumper in dips would kill most any suspension system on the load carrying wheel.
Properly designed, I think a caster wheel platform would work pretty well. It could have a hitch on the back for the boat trailer. The photo below shows the concept and why the platform/trailer would need to be pivoted.
Jim
Quote from: luvrbus on November 22, 2010, 01:44:36 PM
Better look at the frame rails a little closer Wayne it is not solid that bolt hole is just a insert welded into the box
good luck
I am assuming those holes is where an 8v would be mounted?
That is correct Wayne for a 8v92 or the 8v71
good luck
Most of the time I just sit back and read these posts. I have an Eagle that was down to the frame only. Don't know what it will hold. tote, lift, or push!! It just does what I need it to . I did see one comment I would like to reply to:
(The only problem I see with it will be the oil your engine puts out. After it gets all over that wing it will look like a Harley. I hope for you it won't make it hard to start. )
You know that riding a kawasaki, sizuki, etc. is sorta like dating an ugly girl. I'm sure she is nice, but you just don't want to take her to the family reunion!!!LOL
Oh oh the Harley guys have been awaken
good luck from a Harley lover
No charge for the rustproofing Cody! ;)
Should I comment... Ok can't resist this one, sorry ;D Load the Spertster and stay away from the fat girls, that will be a load we can all live with LOL!
Interesting thread. . . .
Looks like the potential problem areas have been pointed out & as long as those areas are properly considered, there is no reason it can't work.
BTW, FWIW, the tag on a PD4501 carries the same weight as the drive. They came with a feature that would allow the driver to reduce (by ~30%) the air to the tag air bags & put more weight on the drive to get better traction. If the tag is left in this 'unloaded' state, the bus will porpoise down the road & be very difficult to steer. So, axle loading can be very important . . . .
Good luck with the project.
As always, pictures of cool projects are appreciated.
Sorry Eric but I could not resist it. The Harleys I have had made me feel like I had a real old girl with a new dress on. Not as great as they looked like they would be. Your bus looks great!
Quote from: Ericbsc on November 24, 2010, 05:28:10 AM
Most of the time I just sit back and read these posts. I have an Eagle that was down to the frame only. Don't know what it will hold. tote, lift, or push!! It just does what I need it to . I did see one comment I would like to reply to:
(The only problem I see with it will be the oil your engine puts out. After it gets all over that wing it will look like a Harley. I hope for you it won't make it hard to start. )
You know that riding a kawasaki, sizuki, etc. is sorta like dating an ugly girl. I'm sure she is nice, but you just don't want to take her to the family reunion!!!LOL
Cody;
Maybe a wheel chair lift modified tat would lift and possibly swing out of the way also to get to the Motor. They already have the lift rails and hydrolics FWIW
Dave
Dave, I am not sure what wheel chair lift you are thinking about, but I suspect that it will not lift a heavy motorcycle or quad. Probably designed to lift 300 pounds with almost no lever arm capability.
After I posted the photo of the platform that has pivot mounts on the bumper/frame and a dolly wheel, I did some more thinking about the design. I think that, properly designed (mostly the wheel suspension and components), it would would be a great option for carrying large loads on the back of a bus. The pivot arms could be mounted via square tubing trailer hitch type receivers. Would be easy to remove and get to the engine area. The wheel would support quite a bit of the weight.
Several of you have talked about the metal magicians that you are associated with and they could probably fabricate the platform using "farmer engineering". Lest you think I am talking down to farmers, just the opposite is true. They are, generally, the best engineers that I have ever met. I worked in the Ag Market for years and many of the really good companies were started by farmers. I used to call on Vermeer in the early 70s and their blueprints were chalk layouts on the floor. They built (and probably still build) some of the best equipment in the world. Same was true of Hesston (started by a couple of farmers with a some good seat of the pants ideas).
If a person wanted to pull a boat trailer behind the platform, a trailer hitch that pivots latterly to a small degree would help with the issue of the platform swinging out as the turn is made.
Jim
Good grief Cody all you ever told us was you replaced the baggage compartment rust and Jim said farmers where some of the best at engineering which I agree if it wasn't for a farmer named Holt there would no Cat tractors relax and enjoy the turkey today
good luck
My thoughts . . . .
What is laughable is for someone to ask " the guys on the board that are familier with iggle rears to give me their thoughts and what reinforcement they would suggest . . . "
-Only to rebuke all that was said that pointed potential problems to watch for.
-Then to claim the bus being discussed isn't an Eagle frame after all.
-That some with engineering degrees aren't engineers because they don't have their PE but a skilled fabricator is one of the best engineers in existence with no refrence of the prior mentioned PE.
No small wonder many don't post - If their efforts to help are met with belligerent defiance.
My question - cody, if you have such excellent engineering & design resources at hand, AND are going to trash caring posts interested in helping avoid failures . . . Why post the question?
My ever consistant feeling is that there is a LOT of feeling, emotion, etc. lost in the "typed word". There really is. I'm not sure where or when one of us started to feel........ I dunno...... "belittled", maybe is the word, but, I am certain that if we were all having this conversation face to face we would ALL feel the better intentions and the conversation would not have come to this. Personally, I LOVE this thread and it has inspired me in some more creative ways.
I think the part of the problem may lie in having the last word. I can be guilty of that, at times, too. But if "Thank You" would more often be the last word, some threads could be ended a little more civil. But, that said, I still love the exchange of ideas that this thread and others provoke. It really is good stuff!!!! When ego's get involved, well, that's when things can go south unfortunately.
Oh, and Charles, I resent that remark!! My old girl still has her old dress on and I'd take her before a new girl any day! Especially foreign girls!! And what's wrong with older girls with experience and class wearing new dresses!!??
;D LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL ;D Just kiddin around!!! Just kiddin around. Obviously I like my old stuff including my Knucklehead. But then, who can't appreciate a well kept, in great shape older lady!!????? (careful now guys!! ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D)
Have a great turkey day folks!
Chaz
Quote from: Chaz on November 25, 2010, 08:31:40 AM
But if "Thank You" would more often be the last word, some threads could be ended a little more civil.
Thank You
You're welcome.
See how easy that is!!! ;D ;D lolololol
Just explain to us what you are calling a frame ? from your past posts you replaced the baggage framing and it sounds like you did a good job
good luck
Cody, if it was one of my remarks that made Libby upset I am deeply sorry. No disrespect meant to any one at any time. I have edited this post from one of describing a few designs as food for though to one of feeling like a heel now! My only intention was to help. Thank you :)
For those who do not know what is involved in a frame restoration on a Eagle you can check Bob's Bus Page on his 05 Cody did a lot of work if the old Eagles frame is gone he is to be commended Menear did a good job on his also got to love the Eagles
good luck
Well Cody, if you read my comments about farmers, you will see that I consider that the supreme compliment. Again, if you read my post, I did not even mention your converter or at least that certainly was not my intention.
I don't have the energy to look up the thread where you describe the work done to your bus. Would you mind posting the link. I think that if we could all look at that work, we can better understand how the bay renovation ties into the engine compartment structure. If you have the confidence that the structure is sound, then go for it.
It is never my intention to say that something will not work. In my early years as an engineer I often told folks that their design would not work (did so politely). Many times the customer would come back an tell me how the design had worked marvelously for years!
My approach on all of these types of threads are to let all the readers (not just Cody) know that there could be issues with a given approach. I don't say that it will not work, just be careful. If you will note, I always try to give alternatives.
Damn, why do I even bother to respond to these kinds of threads? >:( >:( >:( >:( Perhaps all the folks with some insight who have left this board are as tired as I am of the crap that goes on here.
So with that, I am sure I have made you even madder, thus I will back off.
Can't resist, I am a very bad man = what you asked, post one, was...
I'm now asking the guys on the board that are familier with iggle rears to give me their thoughts and what reinforcement they would suggest,
My Harley marks my spot cause my Eagle don't leak Oil
Andy> must be you have an older Harley, my 08 doesn't leak... ;)
After reading these post I just want to thank you guys for bringing back those fond memories when I was told repeatedly of how things I had planned to do and eventually did, wouldn't work! And might I mention that while most all you naysayers are changing motors, suffering heat issues, frame rust, shift problems, oil leaks, wiring problems, not to mention, right or wrong toilet placement, electrical wiring and plumbing or piping on the inside, wall paper or paint, carpet versus wood, plywood thickness, screws, nails and rivets, or aux air compressor's to get home on, or the mpg your coach gets compared to what YOU think it should get, MINE is doing just great and I did it MY way. Sure I listened to all of your opinions, (Key word OPINION) but the end result was still MY way! IF (big word) anything was to go wrong, I don't think any one of you would come and pay for it IF I followed YOUR opinion! My way might not have been perfectly done or to code for that matter but while all of you are bickering over what is right and what is right, I'm enjoying the hell out of mine! You all should do the same, but thanks for reminding me why I only post in CERTAIN threads and laugh at all the others! Fond memories for me for sure! :)
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone! ;D
You are one funny guy Cody you have the power to remove your own post you are very respected on this board to make yourself look like a complete a** I am gone no more for me
I saw no posts saying it couldn't be done - only cautions to potential problems which, surprisingly enough is what the original post asked for.
Then there are the same old ones who seem to think that if you mention or ask about potential problems you are saying "don't do it".
This thread was originally posted in off topic - I find it funny that some treated it seriously while the o.p. continuously bashed those giving him the best advice.
cody- for someone who has received so much from this board & it's members, I can't fathom why you would even think about involving a fedreal court - Especially after you had to agree to the new & improved terms & conditions of use of this board before you could post anything here.
Save yourself time & money & don't post! But don't you dare to try to bite the hand that is extended as an offer to help. Shame on you for acting this way!
May whatever is troubling you soon pass & a fair wind return to speed you on your way to attaining your goals easier & quicker.
I do hope your lift project is a wonderful success & you have many, many trips to enjoy it.
Very well said Ace.
LOL Yea ace it's a 65 ironhead and she runs true and fast lol . and I am one to agree with Ace and Clifford get over it Cody
Potato.Potato,Potato,Potato,Potato,VROOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Dave 8)
Sorry Cody but,
Thank you board for not deleting this thread!!!! I am a true "blonde" and love the fact that I can use these threads instead of my limited brain space for reference. Seriously! And besides the "back and forth" of all of this, I got some good info and inspiration from it.
Thank you board and thank you Cody for the thread.
Chaz
I thought you traded the sportster for the "wing & scooter?"
;D BK ;D
Moderator edit: Content from Cody removed as per his request.
Bad trade.
I would have to agree! The sportster is far bettethan the goldwing except for carrying junk. If I was gonna carry junk, I'd carry it in my bus unless of course your worried about the weight, then I would opt for a trike! :)
Ehhh... I lived on my Knuck for 6 1/2 weeks when I got out of the Navy. It was definitely sparse in the "Junk" dept., but what a great trip across the U.S. Too old for that now. Now, I carry the Knuck. She has earned her stripes. We like the more leisurely trips now.
This is her.
(https://busconversionmagazine.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi58.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg279%2FSkulptor%2FFender-1.jpg&hash=443e7a9086a1955872a1557d5314049723798fcf)
Chaz
Not getting involved in anything here, but, here is photos of my 1973 Eagle, driver side engine frame!! Take it for what it is, I am sure not all Eagles are as bad but you better take a long close inspection before adding any towing devises first. Just my 2cents as usual.
I have also added extra framing not in these photos but these photos were taken some time ago. This was my first beefing up of my frame some time ago in the two photos with the rustbullet paint on the framing I replaced, not repaired, but replaced with 1/4" wall tubing. Worry about the following: frame integrity, over weight on back of bus, welder / Engineer / fabricator experience, framing Heavy Duty & large enough to take the pulling action behind bus, even Eagle or any bus framing inspection for a Motorcycle frame that will somehow be attached to the main framing of the bus! Can you imagine hanging motorcycle frame for a gold wing on the back of my Eagle frame as it was when I first bought it in the photo below?? How would you feel not knowing if I beefed up my framing as you following me knowing perhaps I did not beef up my Eagle frame and all of a sudden my goldwing, (I do not own one though) come off at 70 MPH and you and your loved ones are right behind me admiring the graphics on my bus?? Oh Lordy.
Anyhow, I hope these photos will make you look more at your OLDER bus to be sure the integrity is there to do what you want, then as said before if you are confident all the mentioned problems above and suggestions by bus converters is OK, the Go For It!!
"Gary Lee"
Here are a few more interesting photos, to me anyhow. Wish I seen these b4 my purchase!!
Gary
Last post with 3 more photos to consider and maybe make you think if there is ANY rust on your bus, research and investigate the man engine framing or what ever framing you hang you tow bar or aparatus for Motor Cycle on.
Now maybe you can see one of the reasons for my lengthy conversion repairs / replacement.
Gary
Hello Everyone,
I feel like I am hi-jacking this thread, it is not my intention but I was asked by a busnut friend if I had photos of my air dryer and ping tank connected up, (similar to my photos above) but I am not at that stage as yet and if there is anyone else that does have a similar set up, please post the information here and a photo as well or two would be useful. Even for me.
Thanks Ahead of time,
Garylee
Gary, I don't know how to answer any of this, I know cody bought some long beams about 5 or 6 inshes tall like a bridge beam and those go from the back to the front under the floor and the other stuff is hooked up to them, he thinks they are strong enough or will be after the rest of it is done but I really don't think he wants to talk about it anymore.