Las Vegas Bus Sales has several of these, with Series 60 engines, Auto trannys. Mileage range is 700-800,000. I'm in the (very) early looking stages. Can one expect another 100,000 miles before rebuild time, assuming good maintenance? I want a four stroker, and while I'm willing to work to keep one running, I'm not looking for another career (or hobby). :)
Not sure about the engine being a hobby but having a bus is.
John
Jim probably at that mileage they already have bearings rolled in them..ask seller.others more knowledgeable than I will comment..if you can get a engine serial # if work was done by a Detroit dealer there will be a record..Bob
Those 102D3 he has on the lot have 11.1 series 60 350 hp big difference in the 11.1 and 12.7 he had one that had 12.7 but it is gone now
good luck
I bought my 102D3 from Marcus at Las Vegas Bus sales. Drove it from there to Rogers, Texas did not use a drop of oil. It is an 11 liter but I had no problems climbing with it. Rod
Rod, not saying a 11.1 is not a good engine but being off the market for 12 years parts are getting hard to find at a DD and they are becoming a little pricey lot of aftermarket stuff out there but that engine does have a few problems always has.
I was just passing info to the guy me I would hold out and find a bus with the 12.7 JMO take that a 1.50 and you can a cup of coffee at Denny's
good luck
Have the 12.7 in the hockey team's 102D3. Awsome torque and power. I blow the doors off most transport trucks up the hills, and that's with 25 people and hockey gear.
JC
And its good for killing elk too! ;D
OUCH !!
Getting back to the OP question, for my money at 800,000 miles betting on another 100k trouble free is long odds. There's a reason why they were traded, and its not because the last owner thought they had 100k left in them.
Thanks for the responses. As I said, I'm in the earliest stages. First hard part done: convincing DW that a larger coach is for us. Two conditions: the project has to be fast-tracked, and a couple of the Corvairs have to go to make room. OUCH! Looks like a 12.7 would be the best overall choice (for me.) I'd like to do my own conversion. Having RVd for over 40 years, I've got some pretty good ideas of what works for us.
Next dumb question: how to tell a 12.7 from an 11.1
Jim the 12.7 I have has all the specs on the valvecover view from passenger side of bus includes hp at rpm etc. Bob
HandyJim -
Nah, don't get rid of the Corvairs!
Just use them as toads!
FWIW & HTH. . .
;)
PS: Which model 'Vairs? Early? Late? FC?
The '63 convertible is already my toad. I have also used my 64 coupe. The 65 is a sedan. Great shape, set up for A/C, but not connected. And finally, my '62 Greenbrier, which is my work van. Looks like if the bus arrives, the coupe and sedan go. :( Won't happen soon, though. Gotta fill the cookie jar and find the bus.
Bob, thanks for the info on finding engine specs.
Anytime I bought a truck with an unknown engine I had the mind set that I would have to do a rebuild at some point. If I got some good miles out of it, that was a feel good bonus. Whenever the rebuild comes around you aren't devastated by the news (didn't say you would be happy either). I had a broken valve seat go though the turbo in Salt Lake a couple of years ago, was terrible timing but not something I wasn't expecting. If you buy something that you think you can drive forever, you are setting yourself up a lot of disappointment. Not trying to be negative just realistic. Good Busin' Wilbur
Jim, the 12.7 will yield you better fuel mileage than 11.1 and has a better DDEC system
good luck
Externally the 11.1 and the 12.7 are identical. The only way is from the engine serial number. Now going to the 14 liter-you can tell that since it has a narrow valve gear case in the front of the engine then the 11.1/12.7. Personally-try to find a 12.7 in the 430-470 range for best fuel mileage and torque range. The 500 gets a bit less fuel mileage.
The only difference between the 11.1 and the 12.7 is the crankshaft and connecting rods-just like Detroit did with the DD15 to DD16. Good luck, TomC
Quote from: TomC on November 03, 2010, 07:41:13 AM
Externally the 11.1 and the 12.7 are identical. The only way is from the engine serial number. Now going to the 14 liter-you can tell that since it has a narrow valve gear case in the front of the engine then the 11.1/12.7. Personally-try to find a 12.7 in the 430-470 range for best fuel mileage and torque range. The 500 gets a bit less fuel mileage.
The only difference between the 11.1 and the 12.7 is the crankshaft and connecting rods-just like Detroit did with the DD15 to DD16. Good luck, TomC
TomC
Can a 11.1 DD be rebuilt in some form to make it a 12.7. If the price is good etc....