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Title: Flat tow S-10 ?
Post by: Dave5Cs on October 14, 2010, 08:40:40 PM
Hi all,

I just got a 95 Chevy S-10 LS 4 cylinder, 5 Speed Manuel, 2 wheel drive,Can't
find it in FMCA tow guide or others. doesn't go back far enough. Anybody know if it can be towed all 4 down or do I have to remove drive shaft. lots of Chevy's trucks can be towed but depends on the year. Thanks for any advice.

Dave
Title: Re: Flat tow S-10 ?
Post by: Ed Hackenbruch on October 14, 2010, 08:53:54 PM
Do you have the owners manual for it? If not, try to get one, it will tell you if you can or not.....don't just take somebody's word for it unless you have a lot of money to fix it if they are wrong.  :)
Title: Re: Flat tow S-10 ?
Post by: Dave5Cs on October 14, 2010, 09:08:51 PM
Ed; Thanks

I will look to see if the neighbor i bought it from has one. And No I don't have a lot of money to fix it!
The truck has always been serviced at the dealer, not a scratch on it, has a shell in the same condition. Inside looks like no one ever sat in it. He didn't need it anymore and knew we want a truck for behind the bus and was aking only 1,000.00. Couldn't turn it down if I can't tow it flat I may trade it for a Toyota 4x4.

Dave
Title: Re: Flat tow S-10 ?
Post by: longjohn on October 14, 2010, 09:54:10 PM
Dave, if neighbor does not have one found this, (no interest or connection) while googling flat towing. good luck!
http://us.ebid.net/for-sale/1995-chevrolet-s10-pickup-owners-manual-95-chevy-26065151.htm?from=googlebase (http://us.ebid.net/for-sale/1995-chevrolet-s10-pickup-owners-manual-95-chevy-26065151.htm?from=googlebase)
Title: Re: Flat tow S-10 ?
Post by: ArtGill on October 15, 2010, 02:57:05 AM
I have been towing my 2002 S-10 five speed 4 down without a problem.  When I have the truck lubed, I request that they overfill the transmission by a inch or two.  So far, so good but my mileage is only been about 10,000 miles.  My recollection is that GM does not recommend towing four down.  The concern is if the bearing get grease when in neutral. 

Art
Title: Re: Flat tow S-10 ?
Post by: Geoff on October 15, 2010, 04:51:57 AM
I have a 96 GMC 4cly, 5spd and the factory does not recommend towing without removing the driveline.   I installed a Remco driveline with the disconnect that I have been using for the last ten years.  However, I have heard of people (like Art) that tow without disconnecting the driveline and haven't had a problem.  Supposedly the rear bearing in the transmission does't get lubricated when towing.  I have seen other 5 speed transmissions blow up from towing without removing the driveline.
Title: Re: Flat tow S-10 ?
Post by: Dave5Cs on October 15, 2010, 08:37:40 AM
Long John;
Thank you or the link, but I got one from the neighbor and it does say trailer or short tow rear up but doesn't actually say no flat tow.

ArtGill;
Not a bad Idea because it would be that when turning in Neural only the primary shaft would be turning and gear oil would not be reaching the top without the other shaft turning. So extra would help but might get some leakage or blow the rear seal if not stopping to let cool at times. FWIW

Geoff;
Didn't want the extra cost but if something happened would be even more cost to replace tranny eh! think I will try finding a used Toyota 4x4. Even though they say you can't either I know that a lot of people do and don't have any problems because of positive lockout with the Transfer case neutral.

Thanks to all Dave
Title: Re: Flat tow S-10 ?
Post by: Geoff on October 15, 2010, 12:10:57 PM
I went to Remco's site and looked up a driveline disconnect for a S-15 and they want $750 for it!  Ten years ago I paid maybe half of that direct from Remco.
Title: Re: Flat tow S-10 ?
Post by: Len Silva on October 15, 2010, 12:21:59 PM
The truck is fifteen years old.  I think it will be just fine and personally would chance it.  The weak spot is the rear bearing.  I would follow Art's recommendation and keep the tranny a little overfull.

If you are still concerned about it, start shopping for a spare.  Probably cheaper than a disconnect and you could change it on the side of the road in an hour.
Title: Re: Flat tow S-10 ?
Post by: Dave5Cs on October 15, 2010, 01:27:38 PM
Len:

I am laughing reading your post. I know you are probably serious and I also know that is what I was thinking too, LOL

Thanks Dave
Title: Re: Flat tow S-10 ?
Post by: Cary and Don on October 15, 2010, 01:32:38 PM
Call Remco and see if your transmission can use the lube pump.  They will need to know the model of transmission.  We have a 72 chevy truck that we will be using the pump on.  You can pick the pump up used and the actual plumbing of it isn't hard.  We are going to do the install ourselves.

Don and Cary
GMC4107
Neoplan AN340
Title: Re: Flat tow S-10 ?
Post by: Len Silva on October 15, 2010, 01:43:24 PM
He has a manual transmission.  The lube pump is for an automatic.
Title: Re: Flat tow S-10 ?
Post by: Ed Hackenbruch on October 15, 2010, 01:46:46 PM
Check the usual sources, ebay, craigslist etc.  maybe someone is parting out an S-10 that had a disconnect on it.
Title: Re: Flat tow S-10 ?
Post by: uncle ned on October 15, 2010, 04:33:09 PM


I have puled my 92 s10 a lot of miles. But I seldom run the interstate and stop every 100 or so miles and just crank the engine and let it run for a few minutes. 

It still is just as quite as ever no bearing noise.

I will be pulling it to Jack's the year.  It has been to BK rally, and down the natchez trace and back.

uncle ned

ps it usualy has a motorcycle in the bed
Title: Re: Flat tow S-10 ?
Post by: white-eagle on October 15, 2010, 04:43:41 PM
we pull or gmc express van with the engine in nuetral and running.  it is automatic, not manual.  so far, we've pulled to tx to florida to ohio and back a few times.  no issues with anything.  i'm knocking on wood as i type this.  ;).

i thought it would be less pain than a trailer, less costly than a drive disconnect.  if fuel doesn't quit going up soon, my theory will be wrong.
Title: Re: Flat tow S-10 ?
Post by: robertglines1 on October 15, 2010, 04:57:16 PM
I know another guy that lets his astro van Idle in neutral when towing..flat
Title: Re: Flat tow S-10 ?
Post by: Ed Hackenbruch on October 15, 2010, 07:21:55 PM
Something to keep in mind,...... just because somebody has one a year or two, or seven or eight, or whatever, newer or older, and tows it with no problems doesn't mean that you can. Chevy may have made a change during one of those years that you don't know about until you find out the hard way. Case in point, i have an 87 Jeep Wagoneer that does not have a cap on the radiator. From what i have heard they only did this for 2 years then changed back. To put in water i have to put it in the overflow canister which is pressurized. Because of this setup i can not take off the cap and look into the radiator to see what kind of condition it is in. Only way to do that is to remove the top tank. ???
Title: Re: Flat tow S-10 ?
Post by: Dave5Cs on October 15, 2010, 08:01:27 PM
So Ok To tow this truck flat, I now have to carry an extra Transmission as per Len to stop an change it at road side, then use pump that only works on an automatic and won't do any good for mine anyway?  then I have to buy a motorcycle ( and I don't even ride those things)to put in the back of the Pickum up truck(I 'm Guessing for weight? Do I take the tires off and drag it too???

Well on an even worse note my inverter I sent to ASE supply in Oregon was found not only to have the AC board gone but the DC board is shot too and can't  or won't be worth fixing. Ah life is good????

Dave
Title: Re: Flat tow S-10 ?
Post by: robertglines1 on October 16, 2010, 05:19:05 AM
Sounds like you need to use the truck for a parts chaser. :o Just a little sourcasm..sounds like a handy little truck to have around any way..I have seen them towed backwards on a tow dolly. two guys I know do it one a ranger and one a lincoln..I do prefer flat towing:we have a chev hhr with automatic you just put it in neutral and pull a fuse to prevent batt from running down as per owners manual also the malibu auto are same way,but ck owners manual first on malibu as I have no first hand knowledge of it.  Goood luck    Bob
Title: Re: Flat tow S-10 ?
Post by: gmbusguy1 on October 16, 2010, 06:13:41 AM
Dave, if you really want to haul your new motorcycle in the bed of your s-10 LOL, I would recommend this site for specifics on any vehicle

http://www.remcotowing.com (http://www.remcotowing.com)

also I do happen to have  a set of roadmaster brackets for a s-10 brand new in the box part number 161-2 that fit any s-10 or blazer from 1990 thru 2005
that I would sell for 100 bucks to anybody that needs them

according to remco your truck needs a lube pump and I have seen these pumps on the famous Ebay auction site used for fair prices

here is a link to roadmaster for more info

http://www.roadmasterinc.com (http://www.roadmasterinc.com)


hope this helps

Chris
Title: Re: Flat tow S-10 ?
Post by: Dave5Cs on October 16, 2010, 09:34:52 AM
Thanks GMBusguy;

We have the tow bar and accessories but If I hear of someone that needs it I will pas it along. And No that was tongue in cheek about the Motorcycle.LOL

Dave
Title: Re: Flat tow S-10 ?
Post by: Jerry32 on October 16, 2010, 12:36:50 PM
I had a 94 sonoma 4 cyl 5 spd and towed it back and forth to Yuma with no damage . for me that was 1200 miles each way. Jerry