I wouldnt have normally done thins, but the proposed engine swap this clown started sounded like it would make for a very interesting discussion. I'm gonna go start some popcorn.
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Art,
I saw that one too!
Why he thought taking out a Detroit 6v71 and attempting to put in a GM 454 was a good idea.......I don't know.... :o
Another one bites the dust. :'(
Serious accident ??? ?
I wonder if it had anything to do with an engine falling on him?
;D BK ;D
Quote from: Brassman on September 19, 2010, 09:30:13 PM
Another one bites the dust. :'(
Parts Bus for sure......
Its a shame though.....
Quote from: Busted Knuckle on September 19, 2010, 09:31:45 PM
Serious accident ??? ?
I wonder if it had anything to do with an engine falling on him?
;D BK ;D
Now that would sting........
Gee Whiz.
What a shame. Amazing, isn't it, how worthy vehicles can turn to dust? Makes you wonder what the Hell happened...
The really sad part is it sounds like it ran and drove before he attempted the abortion.
Oh my ??? As a former owner of a S&S that had a 454 gas engine in it I am really confused about the solution he arrived at on improving mileage over the 671.
Wonder how everything was going to bolt up? I have read that some of the very early GM buses had 2 gas engines when one was not enough, maybe 2 454's would have worked.
Fully seated 4104, hmmm....too bad he doesn't mention the shape the tires are in. If the tires are decent, you could pop that 671 back in there and pick up a load of passengers, get it right back into revenue service where it belongs. ;). Also without a radiator the bus won't have any coolant ....so right away no coolant overheating problems!
On a more serious note, this may still be a good coach, all he did was pull the engine,(and clutch and tranny) A little love and tenderness and that might end up a nice coach....also maybe the intakes were protected from the beginning, which shows a little forethought.
It appears to have good rear glass. That would be about half the value of this bus.
First off I have to ask, What was he thinking?? If you're going to do a motor swap in a classic piece of equipment you need a classic motor. Since he wanted to go to a gas engine, I would have to suggest something from an early vintage John Deere. Then he would have that cool putt-putt sound.
Kyle Do you think we could get the bus recover group and add this to my collection.
Would be a good canditate for a series 50 transplant.
Ken how is you transplant coming along.
uncle ned
It don't look right to me with the dual head lights.
Long live the '04!
You think the 6-71 was slow with 570lb/ft of torque (stock)? Much slower with the 454 with about 400lb/ft torque. Most 4104's get in the 8-10mpg, just cut that in half for the 454.
I'm one of the driver's for my mens chorus (Masters of Harmony) that has a Chevy pickup with a 454 throttle body injected pulling a fifth wheel-weighing in at 16,000lbs. If driven easy cruising around 60mph, I can squeeze 6mpg out of it. So someone was blowing smoke thinking that ANY gasoline engine would get better fuel mileage than a Diesel. Too bad! Good Luck, TomC
Quote from: FloridaCliff on September 19, 2010, 09:34:48 PM
Quote from: Busted Knuckle on September 19, 2010, 09:31:45 PM
Serious accident ??? ?
I wonder if it had anything to do with an engine falling on him?
;D BK ;D
Now that would sting........
And leave a mark!!
I've contacted the seller and I think that I've convinced him that his best option now is to part it out. Looks like he's just off I-80 between Davenport and Cedar Rapids.
I need to know where to send the guys in white suits to pick you guys up!
Guess it dawned on him how he was going to make the 454 turn left
good luck
This guy gets the Jerkoff of the month award! And is almost certain to win Jerkoff of the year 2010! What a foolish waste.
I see no reason to bad mouth the seller. He's just a guy that screwed up and I think now he knows it. We've exchanged a couple of notes and he seems like a decent sort, having some hard times like many of us. I even invited him to come to this board for advice on what to do.
If you have a 4104, he may prove to be a good source of parts.
I agree, it hurts me to the core to see a bus like this go to the scrapper because of a foolish mistake, but it is certainly not the first or last time it's going to happen.
A little compassion might be in order.
Hey has anyone thought of buyin' it as is and re-installing the engine laying there! Shoot sounds reasonable enough to me! (ain't those 6-71 hard to hurt?)
;D BK ;D
He probably just looked at HP but not at torque or RPMs, something a lot of people would do.
A 671 is no HP monster for sure.
You guys can probably guess I was looking for a 4104 when I found that beast. Im actually looking at one back up in Minnesota. But that one runs and drives. Im thinking in the end it might be better ( or just as good) to start with one thats never been molested. We'll see.
maybe I'm missing something, but the bus doesn't look much worse then the Scenic I just bought. The difference being someone didn't remove my engine and let it sit in the weather. For the purists. I would think this bus to be quite the find?? If the bus wasn't chopped up removing the cradle/engine, why not try the original engine, with a back up plan to find a running used engine for it? Seems it would be easier to put a good powerplant back in this bus, than try to unconvert a motorhome to a seated arrangement....
Boyce
Looks like alot of work, but then, "alot" is a relative term.
Appears at first glimpse to be all there. I'd frankly love to have it about just for bits and pieces, but a determined soul could surely put 'er back into serviceable condition. All it takes is time, money and knowledge, I suppose.
These are great 'ol buses, no doubt about it. I sure love mine!
I wonder why the front of it has been replaced? Also the panel under the driver window. Perhaps that corner took a hit? The front is missing the correct headlights and the fresh air inlet which should be behind the GM logo.