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Title: MCI -vs- Crown Vic
Post by: MattC on August 01, 2010, 08:36:18 PM
Today while following Richard's GMC up Texas HWY 64 somewhere between Tyler and Canton a Crown Vic tried to take on my old beater MCI.  No one was seriously injured as far as I know.

I was buzzing along about 70 when this white Crown Vic swerved with serious intent into my lane at some insanely short range.  I swerved, smoked the tires and managed to deflect impact to a serious glancing blow opposed to the impending head on.  Not that it was close but the Trooper pointed out where his mirror struck directly below my window.  He creased all three baggage doors, pulled off rub rails, broke my outer drive rim, ripped that drive tire and probably hosed my wheel bearing on that side.  His car looks like there should have been a couple fatalities inside. It was crinkled from stem to stern on the driver's side and it was shaded Firestone black.  All the glass, chrome, handles etc. on that side were either in the road or in my drive rim.  

I'm betting either his or my Guardian Angel called in a few markers today.  The Reverend looked a bit dazed and had quite a few glass shard pricks all over his head / face.  I must comment on the 'witnesses' to the accident.  By the time I got to his car there were three cars full of folks helping the Rev and his passenger.  They stuck around, left info, talked to the Trooper and were better than could be found in any other state, I'll wager.  IMHO

I didn't manage to get pictures of the car before it was hauled off on a trailer, however, Liz has some pictures of the bus I'll post later after I've stopped buzzin.

One of the Firemen mentioned that he was impressed with the bus as he's seen S&S totalled by striking a mail box.  He figured, judging from the car, that the impact would have bisected a "Winnie".  His words not mine.  



Title: Re: MCI -vs- Crown Vic
Post by: JohnEd on August 01, 2010, 08:49:20 PM
Really great that you are all OK.  So what possessed the Rev to try to commit sideways by MCI?

I'll be driving this Winnie for a year more.  not happy with the trooper's observations and I think, personally, that he is correct.

Again, glad you are all uninjured.

John
Title: Re: MCI -vs- Crown Vic
Post by: gumpy on August 01, 2010, 09:00:20 PM
Wow. Glad  you're all ok.

The bright side is that now his insurance can buy you all new stainless for that side of the bus!  Gonna look sharp with it all replaced professionally and polished up!  ;)
Title: Re: MCI -vs- Crown Vic
Post by: MattC on August 01, 2010, 09:28:16 PM
Quote from: gumpy on August 01, 2010, 09:00:20 PM
Wow. Glad  you're all ok.

The bright side is that now his insurance can buy you all new stainless for that side of the bus!  Gonna look sharp with it all replaced professionally and polished up!  ;)

That thought crossed my mind as well, then I realized how ugly it'll make the other side look!  LOL  Which means I'll have to polish the rest of the bus to match the 'good' side.  ;)

Title: Re: MCI -vs- Crown Vic
Post by: bryanhes on August 01, 2010, 09:47:47 PM
Glad you and Liz are ok and no one was severely hurt. I thought you were heading east last week? See what happens when you don't stick to travel plans  ;)

Bryan
Title: Re: MCI -vs- Crown Vic
Post by: buswarrior on August 02, 2010, 12:40:31 AM
Can't see both sides at the same time?

No worries, call it "before and after"

happy coaching!
buswarrior
Title: Re: MCI -vs- Crown Vic
Post by: John316 on August 02, 2010, 04:46:17 AM
Matt,

Whew, that is something else. Thanks for telling us. The Lord sure protected you all.

I am glad that nobody was killed/seriously injured. And here you go proving to us that swerving does help, sometimes (we just had a thread on that). I am glad that you didn't loose control over your bus.

Was Mr. Rev. falling asleep or something? Or just wandering?

Actually, the insurance should pay for the polishing of both sides, so it will match. Seriously...

God bless,

John
Title: Re: MCI -vs- Crown Vic
Post by: kyle4501 on August 02, 2010, 05:53:35 AM
Quote from: John316 on August 02, 2010, 04:46:17 AM
. . . . And here you go proving to us that swerving does help, sometimes (we just had a thread on that). I am glad that you didn't loose control over your bus. . . .

I think that should read "maintaining control with cool thinking & not over reacting definitely helps". I think it is very important to emphasize maintaining control by acting proactively, not reacting. Matt, this is an impressive example of proper driving where you were paying attention to oncoming traffic & as a result, were prepared to act accordingly.

I am so thankful you & yours are fine & that no one was seriously injured.
I'm sad that you have to deal with the aftermath of repairing your coach.

As for getting your bus repaired - be prepared for his insurance to try to total it & give you a check. - If they do try that, simply ask them to hold on to the check & just replace your coach with a comparable unit so you can be made whole. Don't rush into accepting a check from them. Also helps if you are prepared with several adds for suitable coaches for sale. A thick file with receipts also helps. Based on my experience in similar situations, you may need to interview a few lawyers to find one suitable for encouraging the proper action from the insurance company.

Good luck!
Title: Re: MCI -vs- Crown Vic
Post by: Stormcloud on August 02, 2010, 05:54:16 AM
Glad you are OK.

Definitely something to be said about our safety in these substantial' vehicles that we drive.
I know the RV in this link is not a bus, but similar enough.

http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/canada/2010/08/02/14898101.html (http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/canada/2010/08/02/14898101.html)

A S&S in its place would very likely have resulted in additional injuries.

Best regards.

Mark


Title: Re: MCI -vs- Crown Vic
Post by: Van on August 02, 2010, 06:18:16 AM
Matt, we are glad you all are uninjured. Also,no doubt your attentiveness and quick thinking at the wheel saved lives that day. Glad you guys are still with us , thanx for sharing this experience.


     Van
Title: Re: MCI -vs- Crown Vic
Post by: John316 on August 02, 2010, 07:14:54 AM
Matt,

Also the fact that you stepped on the brakes hard enough to smoke the tires, is impressive. It shows that you were in control of the situation. Good for you.

Also, the more I think about it, the more I am sure that insurance would have to pretty up the other side of your bus too. That could even require new paint. When a car is hit on one side, they usually repaint the whole car. The same with a bus. They can't just fix one side, without the other side matching. Also, you might want to have your tires checked out, since you "smoked" them. You might need a new set :o (courtesy of insurance, of course).

I just hope and pray, that if we have a wreck, it would have such a happy ending.

God bless,

John
Title: Re: MCI -vs- Crown Vic
Post by: Busted Knuckle on August 02, 2010, 08:42:28 AM
Matt,
Great to hear there were no serious injuries in the accident.
Sorry to hear about damage to your bus though.
And as said get quotes for proper repair to make it all match when done, also have the tires checked by a reputable tire dealer just in case you did flat spot one or all of them.

And as Kyle points out get some info on comparable "replacement" units together before the insurance company tries to stiff you. It will help out tremendously! And if they still want to low ball you tell them you will just have to turn it over to the law offices of "Dewey, Cheatum, & Howe" ;)
;D  BK  ;D   
Title: Re: MCI -vs- Crown Vic
Post by: MattC on August 02, 2010, 09:29:57 AM
Guys I appreciate the advise!  Truly, as I'm still a bit dizzy from calling insurances and all the associated stuff. 

While I was writing this I got a call from GEICO stating that the 'Rev' wasn't insured.  Now this is gonna get interesting.  I'm covered for uninsured motorist, but .....

As to his intent, I'm a bit jaded by prior employment to arrive at a PC deduction.  However, his swerve was intentional in my opinion, and I truly thought it was intentional by the time I got the bus stopped.  But first impressions can be wrong, however I've learned to trust my 'gut.'

I had missed the thread about swerving, maybe that was a good thing.  My dodge may have been skill, but I'm more inclined to believe in a  bit of assistance from another  place.  =)   I did leave some skid marks but nothing that chirped the tires.  The sorta good news is that we'd planned on replacing the tires when we got to Tennessee so, it could be worse.



Title: Re: MCI -vs- Crown Vic
Post by: Busted Knuckle on August 02, 2010, 11:27:08 AM
Quote from: MattC
Guys I appreciate the advise!  Truly, as I'm still a bit dizzy from calling insurances and all the associated stuff. 

While I was writing this I got a call from GEICO stating that the 'Rev' wasn't insured.  Now this is gonna get interesting.  I'm covered for uninsured motorist, but .....

I did leave some skid marks but nothing that chirped the tires.  The sorta good news is that we'd planned on replacing the tires when we got to Tennessee so, it could be worse.

Matt sounds as though the first call I'd make would be to the States Hwy Patrol or Dept. of Safety to have a ticket issued for no insurance to make it easier to file a claim against him with your/his insurance. (sometimes his insurance will pay up in these cases as sometimes it's a simple "clerical error.")


I wouldn't tell them this! (let them help pay for them!) As it may have still flat spotted them if they smoked @ all!


Next I would be inclined to check with several local attorneys! (just in case, no sense in you taking a second "hit" just because he didn't have proper insurance)
FWIW ;D  BK  ;D
Title: Re: MCI -vs- Crown Vic
Post by: desi arnaz on August 02, 2010, 12:54:14 PM
   I did leave some skid marks but nothing that chirped the tires.  The sorta good news is that we'd planned on replacing the tires when we got to Tennessee so, it could be worse.


  :D :D I THINK THE SKID MARKS I WOULD OF LEFT WOULD BE IN MY SHORTS..... :D :D
Title: Re: MCI -vs- Crown Vic
Post by: Dreamscape on August 02, 2010, 02:14:06 PM
Matt, I'm just glad you and Liz are OK. What a scary day huh!

And then the other guy doesn't have insurance, stick it to them for not being legal.

Paul
Title: Re: MCI -vs- Crown Vic
Post by: belfert on August 07, 2010, 05:24:37 AM
Any updates on how your insurance is handling this?  Hopefully they will pay for repairs and not just total the bus.  Others have suggested insurance should pay for polishing the other side and other add-ons, but the more they have to spend the more likely they are to just total the bus.
Title: Re: MCI -vs- Crown Vic
Post by: MattC on August 07, 2010, 07:34:32 PM
Quote from: belfert on August 07, 2010, 05:24:37 AM
Any updates on how your insurance is handling this?  Hopefully they will pay for repairs and not just total the bus.  Others have suggested insurance should pay for polishing the other side and other add-ons, but the more they have to spend the more likely they are to just total the bus.

INSURANCE
I haven't seen any money yet, but was told by the claims adjuster assigned to this incident, to go find a shop and get her fixed.  Having said that, there was some questions why my 'RV' was insured on a commercial policy.   I asked my adjuster if it was written that way because of the weight and that Texas requires a class "B" commercial license to drive one?  He seemed satisfied and said that probably was the reason.

TIRES
The shop I limped to ordered a Alcoa rim and a pair tires for the steering axle.  His supplier only had Toyo and Sumitoyo tires in 315.  I took a chance on the Sumotoyo and was quite disappointed.  He had the first pair replaced because one was out of round.  The first one of the second batch was 22 oz out of balance and was also out of round.  The shop manager re-mounted two of my old Firestones which were ~2 oz out of balance.  He returned the second batch of Sumitoyo and called the Firestone dealer. I've got two new 315 Firestones being delivered Monday.  Hope they live up to my expectations. 
Title: Re: MCI -vs- Crown Vic
Post by: JohnEd on August 07, 2010, 07:53:45 PM
Toyo is a great brand for cars and LT but wears faster than expected.  Truckers tell me it is a first rate tire.  I only mention this in passing in case your Firestones don't meet your expectations and I really hope they do.  You have had enuf grief.

Be well and happy,

John
Title: Re: MCI -vs- Crown Vic
Post by: bryanhes on August 07, 2010, 09:59:22 PM
Matt,

Had you made it much further on the paint since Franklin?

Bryan
Title: Re: MCI -vs- Crown Vic
Post by: MattC on August 08, 2010, 09:05:35 PM
Quote from: bryanhes on August 07, 2010, 09:59:22 PM
Matt,

Had you made it much further on the paint since Franklin?

Bryan

No, not a lick of paint. I ran out of good weather in Beaumont, and figured I'd paint it later this year when the heat wave has passed.  =)  Worse off, that test on the front fiberglass needs to be sanded off as I evidently didn't prep it correctly or got some grease in a couple spots.  However, considering how it's been going, I'll probably hold off lest I make the Darwin Awards top 10.  LoL

Did I mention when I went to leave Canton a few days ago before I returned with out-of-round tires, a truck ahead of us blew a tire and the BOZO between him and me locked up his brakes? There was nothing in his lane larger than a fishstick? Guess he figured a panic stop was prudent on a busy interstate.  I could have stopped but I didn't want to test my new brakes just then.  Thank God there was room to slip by him on the left. However, He sped up and kept driving by my toad and wouldn't let me back over for more than a mile.   Did I also mention that next to Suburu I hate VANS the most!   

I'm wondering if I should find a quite place to park the bus and HIDE for a few months.  I'm feeling like I'm stuck in the top part of the idiot encounter bell-curve.    Muahahaha   Anyone have an old M-113 they are willing to part with?

=)

Matt

Title: Re: MCI -vs- Crown Vic
Post by: kyle4501 on August 09, 2010, 07:34:43 AM
Quote from: MattC on August 08, 2010, 09:05:35 PM
. . . .   I'm feeling like I'm stuck in the top part of the idiot encounter bell-curve.   . . . .

Sadly, you are not the only one encountering more idiots than usual . . .  :(