OK, my MC9 failed inspection. I need to know what size jack I should use and where the best non-axle jack points are for front end work. I know the bus is approximately 30,000lbs., which is 15 tons. Do you recommend a 20t, 30t, or larger?
I carry 2 x 20 ton bottle jacks. They are adequate but its hard work lifting the rear. If I was doing it again I think I'd buy one size bigger.
two 20 ton jacks, one low profile, one (or both) air over hydraulic, and a number of planks to sit them on. the reason your need two is, when you change a tire you need to jack up the chassis and the axle separately, so you can get the chassis up, and control the height of the axle to get the wheel on and off the hub easily. Air power lets you use your compressor to power the jack, very easy indeed.
Brian
I just ask on your other post what kind of bus(sorry)..I carry a 30 ton low profile air jack..lot easier to push valve than to jack handle..I have a suspension height adjustment system so I don' have to have two jacks.
http://www.harborfreight.com/20-ton-low-profile-air-hydraulic-bottle-jack-97453.html (http://www.harborfreight.com/20-ton-low-profile-air-hydraulic-bottle-jack-97453.html)
and
http://www.harborfreight.com/12-ton-air-hydraulic-bottle-jack-94487.html (http://www.harborfreight.com/12-ton-air-hydraulic-bottle-jack-94487.html)
works well, I bought the 12, others here feel they need the 20 to be safe, the 12 is heavy enough for me to haul around. The air over is really worth the extra cost so much faster and safer than cranking, it lets you not be under the bus while lifting....a must have IMHO. Btw I also have a manual 10 ton, between the 2 of them I can lift any old bit of the bus, for blocking etc...
Also never never never get under a bus that is just on bottle jacks....they are too likely to fall over others also fear they will fail and drop which seems far fetched to me but also a possibility. Lift the bus by the axles or suspension points then block with cribbing or if you're rich nice 12-20 ton jack stands....but I still prefer cribbing. I don't know you're bus so I can't say where a good place to support it is....in the case of the 4104 I looked for vertical bulkhead corners and carefully placed the cribbing there.....your experiences may vary.
Your manual should show you the jack points. It is very important you use the right ones. If you do not have a shop manual, you should get one. Some other MC9 owners could probably explain where the jack points are, but you will need the manual for lots of things anyway.
I even found the 20 ton jacks to almost not be enough.
Quote from: Chopper Scott on June 16, 2010, 06:34:21 PM
I even found the 20 ton jacks to almost not be enough.
I don't really understand why people have problems with a 12 ton. If a bus weighs 15 tons, how you are going to get even 12 T on one corner is beyond me. I have hand jacked the left rear of my bus with a 10 ton bottle, it was heavy, but then buses are heavy, all the more reason to have air over jacks. i mostly got the 12 T because of the minimum height and stroke length, but it's worked for me.
Quote...... why people have problems with a 12 ton. If a bus weighs 15 tons, how you are going to get even 12 T on one corner is beyond me
Its obviously nothing to do with the jack not being able to lift the bus. And if you have an air jack then it doesn't matter. If you don't have an air jack, trying to work the handle with your arm fully extended under the back of the bus will soon tell you why a higher capacity jack is better.
I think jacks are WAY over rated. My MC8 weighs 36,600 lbs so I should be able to lift the whole bus with one 20 ton jack. Never going to happen. Like Scott says, "I found the 20 ton jacks to almost not be enough."
I agree with others, buy an air/hydraulic jack, you won't be sorry.
Good luck, Sam MC8
Where's Jack when ya need him? ;D
Thanks guys.
I've only had the bus a few weeks, and haven't gotten the shop manual yet. It is high on the list.
I tend to over engineer things, and just wanted to be certain. They have this neat 60t jack at Northern Tool... ;)
The downside of bigger jacks is they are a lot heavier - which can be an issue getting them under the bus sometimes.
Brian
If you buy a better 10 or 12 ton jack it should have a 24 to 30 inch handle. Thats what I carry. Tom Y
Quote from: van on June 16, 2010, 07:50:24 PM
Where's Jack when ya need him? ;D
In my case about 6'0" LOL I have a 20 ton air over hydraulic from Harbor Freight. This is my second 20 ton jack. The first one, I purchased from a local parts place because I wanted to make sure I got a good quality (not chinese) jack. I paid much more for it and then found it was made in China. So when I needed to replace it, I purchased this one at Harbor Freight. It looks identical to the first one. I never rely on the jack for support, only to lift the coach. I then used wood blocking for support.
Always make sure you place the jack and blocking in the proper location to prevent damage to the coach. And, NEVER get under a coach with airbag suspension without securely blocking it. Jack
Here is some pictures of my manual.
John
You also want a pad to put under the jack. I have a couple of one foot squares of 3/4" plywood. You definitely need it on dirt or gravel, and even on blacktop on a hot Florida day.
I use a couple of 1'x2' x1/2" steel plates for under my jacks.
I've blown out the seals on a 10 ton jack while jacking up the rear axle of a school bus to swap tires with my dump truck.
That is why I like the 20 ton jack - less stress on the seals for the same weight.
The air over hydraulic is a very nice work saver - IF you have compressed air available. 8)
Quote from: kyle4501 on June 17, 2010, 07:07:30 AM
I've blown out the seals on a 10 ton jack while jacking up the rear axle of a school bus to swap tires with my dump truck.
That's what I was worried about. I'll go with the 20T (on sale at Northern Tool...yeah!)
One of these days, someone will have to show me how to tie into the air system.
It's a bus - it always has or needs compressed air! :D
I carry a generator and a compressor anyway, in case I feel the need for a stealthy getaway I can air up the bus without running the engine. I put quick connects and ball valves in two places - one on the ping tank where I put air into the system through the air dryer (always stop the bus on a compressor charge cycle so the purge valve is closed) and one on the accessory tank drain for taking air out of the bus system.
Brian
Quote from: bevans6 on June 17, 2010, 07:54:08 AM
It's a bus - it always has or needs compressed air! :D
I don't know so much about the always has part, but I can confirm the always needs . . . ;D
When I have compressed air, I don't notice wether or not I need it - it is when I don't have it is when I seem to really need it the most . . . ;D ;D ;D
One of my air over hyd jacks is either-or & can be used manually. The other one is air only - useless without air. They use copious amounts of air too.