I guess I will start off by telling that my partner (5?)and I (4?) have decided to dive into converting a bus. We want to do a two year (minimum) "Bucket List" tour of the Country. When we first entertained the idea, we thought of a Motor Home, then a fifth wheel, and even (briefly) a travel trailer. Through my research on the internet, I came across Bus Conversions. I was hooked. Since I am an amateur home remodeler, and am a wee bit nutz, I decided this route is the best. (My partner is not so convinced in my abilities. LOL) Anyway after looking at all the possibilities, we have narrowed it down to a Silver Eagle or a MCI. (In the 80s/90s era.)
First Question - (Other than am I TOTALLY insane for trying this?) Does anyone know of anyone in Florida who would strip the interior of a bus in exchange for the seats, racks, a/c ducts, spare change, and other sundry parts? (That is the only part that does not appeal to me in ANY way what-so-ever.) I would be ever so grateful for any leads to this end. LOL
Sorry, can't help you with your question; just want to welcome you to the madness. Both Eagles and MCI's are good choices, but they have some real dis-similarities. Others on this board will be chiming in shortly with lots of advice, Good luck to you, Will
Quote from: BucketList on May 17, 2010, 08:19:31 AM
... Does anyone know of anyone in Florida who would strip the interior of a bus in exchange for the seats, racks, a/c ducts, spare change, and other sundry parts? ...
None of those items has any value at all except the seats, and then only if they are in tip-top condition. Generally speaking, you should count yourself lucky to find someone to take the seats for free, saving you the dump fees and/or transportation costs. So, no, I do not know anyone in any part of the country who would do that work on an exchange basis.
That said, there are several shops in Florida who can do that work for a fee. Just don't expect any discount for giving them the removed materials; in fact, expect them to charge you to get rid of it.
-Sean
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Why bother ? ;)
Take your money and buy one done/complete . There are lots of nice conversions for sale all ready done. You 'll have plenty to do just fixing one to your liking. I'm sure others will chime in and give some specific numbers dollar wise. ( .25/.50 on a dollar?) for those that have converted - not to mention the hundreds / of hours spent .
I sure if you read on this website - you will find lots of stories of busses started and not completed - time / money fell short.
Congratulations welcome - this is great group of folks to talk with
Welcome!... You can find abandoned projects already stripped or already almost finished; and finished projects for much less than you will ever spend on a from scratch conversion and that's without even factoring in all the labour hours.
That being said if part of your bucket list is converting a bus and you don't want to strip it, hire a nephew or 2 to pull the scrap, you supervise and learn how your bus is put together at the same time.
BTW conversions can take a long time.....2 yrs is possible with 5 retired people with plenty of spare time, 2 yrs is nothing if your working and doing the bus on the side by yourself. Good luck and remember the more you spend wisely on the initially shell or conversion, the less you will spend (hopefully) on fixing the things you missed/underestimated during your inspection. That said these are old buses....helps to have some $$$$ to fix whatever comes up. That's the good part about having 5 of you, hopefully spreads things out.
Welcome!!! I am an Eagle fan. All buses are kewl, but I am hooked on Eagle.
That's NOT the first question.
The first question is the one you ask yourself the moment you swap a check for the title, then look up at your new toy:
"What in HELL have I DONE????"
As far as the shell stripping, don't hold your breath. Most of us have some of those parts sitting in the garage waiting to find someone who wants them, because we can't justify throwing them away.
The good news is that this isn't all that hard to do, not complex, just time consuming.
The better news is that there are a LOT of stripped shells around -- and even some nice complete conversions -- at a good price, if you have cash.
So what you really need to ask yourself is what your REAL budget is, and is that a lump sum or over time.
And before that, you need to ask something else -- if your "bucket list" means that you and your partner are sick or terminal, how long will you be in physical condition to horse around a 15-ton coach?
I'm with most others recommending a bus already converted. You can always find something close to what you want and change stuff to suit your liking. All you have to do is start adding up all the components it will take and then compare it to what the completed units are going for. There are many here who are building their own but they have been in the game for awhile already and have the skills and knowledge for such an undertaking. Removing the old interior is small potatoes compared to the rest!
I got lucky on first bus and the local school corp took the seats and restroom out to use in their sport team bus..other wise is good if you can break even after.I put a add in paper bus seats $10 pr and sold all one week end(on 2ND coach)...you need a good sawzall and air chisel to take out MCI bath and maybe dynamite..(78 MCI 8)..where do you live??many bus nuts would help..
Chopper Scott has done a good job in posting what I would say. Very, very wise advice you are getting here.
Welcome
I'll add my vote to the "buy a converted coach" crowd. That's what we did 6 years ago and believe me, if you want stuff to build and fix you won't be short, no matter how good a coach you find. Buying something converted means you can get busy and enjoy it immediately. There will still be lots of stuff to modify or fix as you go but you get the satisfaction of using it right away. And buying a converted coach will be WAY less expensive overall than doing it yourself in today's market so you can either buy more coach or spend less money. Either way you win.
If I were you with the current bus market down in the dumps, look for something already converted. Change if you want as you go. It will save you a bundle of bucks and lots of scraped knuckles.Two years is not enough time unless you work on it everyday and have deep pockets, very deep. A genset alone is around 5-6K. You can buy a completed coach for 45-50K, it's your choice. Add up the costs associated with all the conversion items and then double it.
If you do the conversion yourself, prepare for lots of learning along the way. I'm not saying it can't be done, as most of here have done it ourselves. Just passing along MHO.
You probably won't find anyone to swap parts taken out for chump change, they might even charge you.
Have fun and enjoy the journey!
Paul
Unless you are skilled in design -first. Then the usual skills as RV electrician, RV plumber and RV cabinetmaker are second. If you can work, I mean work not thinking time, at least 8 hours per day then you are at probably one year. This assumes that you have all materials in hand when needed and you don't make any mistakes.
Unless you really need to convert a bus or want something really different then you should look for an older conversion. I think, cash sale, you can find some nice clean and sound conversions in the $35K to $50K.
Your choice, of course its your choice. However, nobody will ever say 'told ya so' :D
Barn Owl - what about my god advice :-\ :'( ;D
Great advise from you also Joseph! Sometimes we all need to hear something more than once !!! ;)
Welcome to the madness!!
Ditto the already converted, Lotsa already converted deals., Mine was mostly converted but plenty usable. Mine was a good deal before the prices started really dropping.
Get the Magazine!! lotsa deals there. and highlight of the month.
also the BNO board.
My bus was my first RV also. Get a converted one, Enjoy life with it, while you decide if and how you would like to reconvert or convert another bus.
plenty to do anyway to keep you busy.
there has even been some deals on marathon converted buses.
Find a good bus mechanic and have whatever you find checked out first.!!!!!
Now that s real good advice !
Having that unit checked out - thats the best advice .He'll give the blessing or not. Tell you how much more the unit will cost . :o
Its tough sitting on the sidelines - no bus , no time 2 kids in college and one more there in 2 years............ :D
Quote from: josephgranzier on May 18, 2010, 04:21:21 AM
Now that s real good advice !
Having that unit checked out - thats the best advice .He'll give the blessing or not. Tell you how much more the unit will cost . :o
Its tough sitting on the sidelines - no bus , no time 2 kids in college and one more there in 2 years............ :D
The longer you wait the more fun you will miss out on! Besides, there may not be the funds available to you after the college expenses! ::)
Quote from: Dreamscape on May 17, 2010, 03:26:42 PM
If I were you with the current bus market down in the dumps, look for something already converted. Change if you want as you go. It will save you a bundle of bucks and lots of scraped knuckles.Two years is not enough time unless you work on it everyday and have deep pockets, very deep. A genset alone is around 5-6K. You can buy a completed coach for 45-50K, it's your choice. Add up the costs associated with all the conversion items and then double it.
I'm going to disagree with some of this.
It is possible to do a complete conversion, two guys working 8 hours a day, in TWO WEEKS . . .if (and only if) you are starting with a ready-to-go shell, you have gathered the parts, and you have planned everything (including marking where you will cut, run conduit, etc).
Gensets and most other parts can be found used at bargain prices.
So can shells.
The BIG advantage of an already-done conversion is that the big job is done with a pen and a checkbook, and that's even faster than the two weeks!
Quote from: BG6 on May 18, 2010, 10:46:22 AM
......... is that the big job is done with a pen and a checkbook, and that's even faster than the two weeks!
Is it ever really done ???
Thanks for all the responses! (I apologize for being quiet for some days now...Family situation...) Anyway, for one person's response... I have time... We are not "terminal"... just getting old! LOL
We have looked into "finished" conversions (and I use that term loosely.) I would rather not spend loads of time and money undoing other people "messes" before starting my own. ::)
The more I read here, though, the more delusional I think I am... I had planned on starting with a passenger coach, and ending with a complete conversion in....say... two MONTHS? ***SIGH***
On a bright (?) note... I think we found the Eagle we want to start with. Reasonably priced, and has had most of the major drive components rebuilt, replaced or repaired in the past 10k miles.
As for design, I have a strong background in residential design, and have practical experience. I tend to look at a bus as a house....that moves. LOL My last project was a large kitchen, (16 x 12)from scratch. Three grand later, I will immodestly say it turned out WONDERFUL. ;D (I am a natural scrounger at heart, so I can find the deals I want...usually.)
Again thanks! My next question is coming up as another subject. I hope y'all don't tire of me too soon! :o
Make sure you have it checked out by a bus mechanic to assess "present condition" of the bus, even if you have receipts on the rebuilds. Anything could happened in those 10 k miles( flood, famine, etc. ;) ) We have a couple people here that had to do extensive frame repair due to rust issues.
Most bus places will charge $200-$300 for a full inspection, well worth a non-bias, experienced opinion. You will know more of what you are getting into.
Good luck and keep us posted
You will enjoy doing your own the way you like,Eagles are the easiest bus to convert and repair all though sometimes I wish I had a 24v house system but the 12v is easy to do and works.
The model 20 you were looking at is a good bus but if you could find a model 15 102 wide for the same bucks it would be for me anyway the best choice.
If you post the serial number of the bus Eagles owners have a good data base of who bought the bus and equipment,when it left the factory ( for the Texas built)
Eagle owners also have a web site if you need help of any type www.eaglesinternational.net (http://www.eaglesinternational.net)
good luck