This is just something that I found interesting. As most of you know we put the T.C. ceramic on our new bus. Well, the other day, we went swimming in our pool, which has a wooden deck around it. Well the deck is stained, and it gets super hot. So, while we were swimming we were trying to figure out a remedy for this so we dont burn our feet. So, we got the idea to put some of the coating on a board and lay it on the deck along with an unstained piece. So, after sitting in the direct hot sun for a while, my husband tested it to see the difference. The stained deck boards were 135 degrees. The unstained was 124, and the board with the coating was 100 degrees, quite comfortable to stand on. I was pretty amazed. So, it has got to help quite a bit on top of the bus. FWIW. ;D So, guess what we are going to put on the deck? ::)
Were all three boards the same color?
Yep, except the one that was stained a light gray.
How much did the TC cost for a 5 gal pail?
I saw that you can also buy window tint with a ceramic coating. It's pricey but for someone in Arizona it might be a good investment.
Quote from: buddydawg on May 13, 2010, 10:29:45 AM
How much did the TC cost for a 5 gal pail?
If I remember it is about $250 plus shipping. The company feels that it is perfect for bus applications as it will last longer than auto paint. Also per them it is about 25% more reflective than white paint.
The downside is they recommend applying it with a 3,000psi airless sprayer.
Mike
$250 for 5 gal is not too bad. I am about to paint the bus and I am now leaning towards using this for the roof. I've got an airless sprayer, so I will just have to get the correct spray tips.
anyone got a link? I am interested in the windows and the paint
http://www.tcceramic.com/ (http://www.tcceramic.com/)
Ken talked to them quite a lot when we were doing ours, and, come to find out, it spayed much easier using a sprayer like you spray acoustic with. It is quite thick, and is not meant to be thinned down. If you want more info, you can call Ken. It is definitley worth the money. We are putting the black ceramic on the top of the windshield, behind where the cabinets are going to be built. The guy at tc is very nice, and he also is glad to give you any info that you need.
Summer came earlier than usual here last year, it was on a tuesday.
how much paint does it take to do a roof? I was reading around the site and really like the sound of this stuff. I guess it would also be wise to put it on the inside of the bus........ I guess that would be before installing spray foam or foam board insulation?.. It also seems like a good idea to do underneath the coach. I suppose this is better for insulation then the rubber roof stuff too. And drilling thru it would not be a problem?
If you use an airless sprayer you will most likely need a tip that is used to spray block filler. Ken used a hopper gun . The stuff really works. I witnessed it first hand.
Thanks james, couldnt think of what the gun he used was called. He has been up in no mans land the last couple of days in South Il. He has a couple of jobs in Kentucky, but, he went up there today to see a guy BK told us about that had Dinas. He picked up some goodies for the bus. There was no phone service there, I guess it was kinda in the middle of nowhere, lol. Anyhow, we sprayed the stuff on top and inside, and the floor of the bus before installing it. Didnt do underneath though. James, you still planning on stopping by?
Another one of the "things to do" on my "Hope list" is to paint my bus. I am planning on blasting the sides and just scuffing the top. I am assuming (not a good thing to do) that it would hold ok to a scuffed surface. Most paints do. But.......... is spraying the only way to apply it?? Could it be brushed or rolled? Since it would be on top, and possibly inside, I wouldn't care about streaks. Will the instructions allow that?
Thanx,
Chaz
I found this http://www.spicoatings.com/products/supertherm/ (http://www.spicoatings.com/products/supertherm/) and although I spent considerable time reading this site, I havent finished. This stuff is Energy Star approved. It also talks about some ceramic paints not being very good and containing perlite. I am curious about applying it with a roller too and how many coats did you put on?
Removed
There are a lot of sites that sell paints with ceramic, not the same. They say you can put it on with a roller, but, it is really thick and hard to do, and it sure dont look good. It isnt a paint at all. You can paint over it, if you want. We arent going to, just leave it white. Do the research like we did, and I think you will find out that the stuff TC Ceramics sells is the real deal. It reallly wouldnt matter if it is scuffed or not. Once it dries, you cant chisel it off.
I used SuperTherm on a recent project and think it is amazing. I used it in conjunction with a product called RustGrip that is manufactured by the same company.
From their website:
Therefore, SUPERTHERM ® is a true " insulating " coating and not just a reflective paint as are all the competing formulas in the market. Also tested by the Thermo Physical Research Laboratory for comparative R19 equivalent insulation factor SUPERTHERM ® blocked 92% of the heat. No other R19 equivalent insulator can claim that!. No Fiberglass, No Foam, No Cellulose, No other single ceramic paint!
~ One ceramic compounds is primarily to block Ultra Violet (UV) heat at 99%.
~ The second ceramic repel better than 92% of Visual Light (short wave) heat.
~ The third ceramic compound is to stop 92% heat and / or cold conduction by hollow sphere technology which is not glass.
~ The fourth ceramic compound is designed specifically for stopping infrared radiated heat. This ceramic blocks 99.5% of Infrared Radiation ( long wave ) to control the heat gain or loss to the envelope of buildings or equipment. This new compound was introduced in February 2000 as part of our continued research in controlling heat transfer.
~ The combination of acrylics provide elasticity and adhesion while the urethane adds toughness, binds the acrylics and compounds and also provides a moisture barrier. The fourth resin additive is what makes the complete resin blend to combine into a single component and extends the life of the coating. This resin / ceramic combination has been shown to repel both heat and fire, withstand elements for 30 to 40 years, endure 180 degree bend without cracking, resist water, acid rain and ultraviolet light. SUPERTHERM ® is a permanently flexible "breathable" membrane that stops water penetration and prevents corrosion and surface deterioration.
In addition to stopping heat transfer, SuperTherm acts as a sound deadener, stopping 68% of sound waves. My first test of these products was on a VW Bug I am building for my wife. After applying the products, even without door panels and headliner, the car is quieter than when completely installed. The doors sound very solid when closing. I also used RustGrip on the entire pan. I'll definitely use the products on any future bus projects. I have a buddy down in the Valley who is a distributor. If anyone is interested in more info, I'll send his contact information.
http://www.eaglecoatings.net/content/supertherm.htm (http://www.eaglecoatings.net/content/supertherm.htm)
http://www.eaglecoatings.net/content/rustgrip.htm (http://www.eaglecoatings.net/content/rustgrip.htm)
T.C. is also sound deadening.
We all do it different but the smooth spray on lining is the best out there for a bus so many more benefits than TC at about the same price.Smith's Lining in Albuquerque uses the stuff for about everything he is also a bus guy
good luck
Does anyone else have any experience/opinions on the SuperTherm coating? I am about 3 weeks out from coating the roof and am trying to decide which product to go with.