For you guys using the MT39 starters you need to buy a spare that starter is being replaced by the MT 44 at the end of this year the MT 44 is a serviceable starter, just a little info for you guys so you don't get caught in a bind on the road and have to pay the price of a new MT 44
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So is that MT44 the same frame as the MT39 or is it a big heavy bugger like the 42?
Just looking at the pictures Bob it is going to be a little heavier that the 39 because it has a cast iron rotating nose piece I' ll check and see what the weight is going to be on it.
Bob 58 lbs on the MT 42,33 lbs on the MT 44 and 31 lbs on the MT 39 can you handle a extra 2 lbs Lol
good luck
Looks like the MT44 will be just a bit heavier then the MT39. It's interesting to see that Remy has gone back to a full rotatable nose cone-compared to the nose coneless MT39. I don't think it will be the beasty like the MT42 like many of us have on our reverse rotation V drive engines. I know at Freightliner, we see lots of replacements of the MT39's, compared to longer life MT42 or even the brutish MT50. This is why Remy is bringing out the MT44-since their first generation of geared starters were not that great. Hopefully the MT44 will be all that. Good Luck, TomC
Have either of you guys got a link to information about this new starter? I looked on the Delco Remy website and couldn't see anything. But it wouldn't be the first time I looked for something and couldn't find it right in front of my nose.
Bob, I just brought up a video about it at www.delcoremy.com/ (http://www.delcoremy.com/) but I got my info from a Delco letter that was sent to me.
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Thanks Clifford. PDF at that link says 33.0 lbs for the 44 c/w 30.8# for the 39 (and about 58# for the 42 or 78# for the 50). Since I'm reasonably sure my arm can handle the 2 extra pounds I guess its decision time as to whether I need a spare 39 now or whether I should wait & p/u a 44 this fall. I'm not wild about being a guinea pig for a new unit so I'm leaning toward picking up a 39 and waiting a while.
Am I right in thinking that the point is to have a relatively cheap MT 39 backup rather than have to buy a new MT 44 since there will not be many used or rebuilts around for a while?
That's what I would do Lin the MT 39 are 250.00 new for 24V and 240.00 for 12V the list price on a 44MT is going to be 699.00 and you can probably buy for 400.00 after they been on the market for a few months
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Well I can't speak for anybody else but my point is to have a reliable starter. There's only a couple of common failures that will shut a diesel down completely on the road and a bad starter is right at the top of the list. I've had really good luck with my MT39 - I put a new solenoid on it this summer but otherwise it has been dead reliable. If the 44 is a further improvement over the 39 then I'm all over that plan but over the years I have always tried to avoid being at the bleeding edge of technology so I'm thinking that maybe its better to let Delco get a few years of real world service in with the 44 before I buy one. When we had trucks on the road we kept spare starters and spare alternators as well as the usual fluids, filters and tires. Most of the time that was enough to get them back on the road. I don't mind losing an alternator because I could limp along with the crossover to the house bank but a dead starter means no go.
Ok. I'm playing stupid here basically because I am but I was going to go to one of those starters and it looks like now is the time. Are they basically the same or do they vary from motor to motor (Cummins, Cat etc.)? I know I need the 24 volt for my MCI and my 8v71 is a standard rotation. I guess the parts guy should know. Just wondering.
Speaking of which; I'm thinking I had better find a solenoid. I'm thinking along the same lines as Bob (of the north). The starter is one of the few things that will leave the DD dead in the water. Lately, I'm having to make several attempts to engage the solenoid when cranking my 8V71. Where is the best place to pick up a solenoid? I'm thinking Luke. Suggestions? I'm planning an extended trip next month and I'll feel more confident having the solenoid in my spare parts box.
Thanks,
Dennis
I expect Luke would have them & know what he was talking about but if he's not close to you then the freight may kill the deal. All I did was look in the yellow pages for a place that fixed starters & alternators. I found one with a simple sounding ad and drove around to it. It looked like the kind of place where I could walk into the shop which is always my preference. Solenoids are a pretty high volume item so I expect you can find a local source for them if you look around.
Thanks, Bob. I don't have a parts manual, but if someone can chime in with a part #, I'll check local sources. Mine is an '82 MC9 with an 8V71. Can someone help me with a part #? Luvrbus, I hope I'm not hi-jacking your thread, I hope this is still pertinent.
Dennis you need the starter number there are 2 different solenoid's for 42 starter and that puppy is heavy you will need a floor jack if you are as weak as Bob LOL and me.
That is a common solenoid Napa will have one or can get you one overnight 40 bucks for the last one I bought
good luck
OK, go ahead and start snickering. LOL The last solenoid I changed was on a small block Chevy. Does the starter have to come off?
Dennis
If the starter is turned so the solenoid is on the side you can change it without removing the starter if on top that is a different ball game easier to remove the starter.
good luck
Clifford,
What model of starter would I be looking at? I know its 24Volt but that's all.
Thanks
john
John, I would say you have MT42 could be a MT 50 but I doubt it
good luck
Clifford, is it on the starter? If so were?
Thanks
John
The starter will have a tag about the middle has the model and serial numbers both on that tag
good luck
The tag may not be in a real handy location for reading John. BTDT. If you have a digicam take it with you when you crawl underneath and snap several pix with the cam aimed in the general direction of the nametag. You may be surprised what you can read when you zoom in on the pictures on your computer. Hold the cam as far away from the starter as you can reasonably get it unless you have macro focus capability.
Here is someone selling a rebuilt 12 volt MT 39 in case anyone is interested.
http://ventura.craigslist.org/boa/1626599538.html (http://ventura.craigslist.org/boa/1626599538.html)
What starter does the 6v71 use?
FYI
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230444355326&viewitem=&_trkparms=clkid%3D8673940496044874981 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230444355326&viewitem=&_trkparms=clkid%3D8673940496044874981)
Not sure if it would be the right one, but here it is!
;D BK ;D
We braved the port & construction traffic today, finally found Blanchard and picked up a gen-u-wine Delco MT39, brand spanking new. $345 was the best they would do for me but they did have some new Mitsubishis that they would have sold for $289 with a core. I wanted a spare so a core wasn't going to happen and the Delco was less than the Mitsubishi as long as I didn't have a core.
Curiously enough this MT39 does have a rotating nose cone, unlike my previous one which I now believe was a Mitsubishi knockoff anyway. Its also got a significantly larger & heavier motor than the previous one. It also came with a mounted relay to drive the solenoid so all in all I thought I did well for my $378.44 out the door price, especially considering that the same unit on the other side of the border would have been north of $700 at the very best and likely considerably more.
When I turned the key after it was all buttoned up the noisemaker lit right up, just like its supposed to do. Marilyn looked up from whatever it was she was doing and said "that Clifford --- he's worth his weight in gold!"
Bob, glad you like the new starter but I am going to call Blanchard Wed he told me 249.00 for a Delco that chaps me
good luck
Clifford, Please find out I may be interested.THX
John
Starters that Delco Remy makes that would be suitable for our engines at 24v:
These are direct drive motors (read heavy)
37MT- which is reversible- up to 8.3 liters (6-71 is 7 liter)
41MT- up to 9.8 liters (6V-92 is 9 liter)
42MT which is reversible- 14.8 liters (8V-92 is 12 liter)
50MT which is reversible- 29.5 liters
These are gear driven motors:
29MT- up to 8 liters
38MT- up to 12 liters
39MT- up to 16 liters
Good Luck, TomC