This is on craigs list for Portland Or area. The interior is burned but recognizable. BIG project there. The drive line is supposed to be in excellent condition and it comes with an Onan gen, wheels and tires. They are asking $5,500 for it and it runs and drives. ??? That sounds like a deal to me. :o Located in SE Eugene, Or.
I would swear i had this address attached to the original post. But.....
http://eugene.craigslist.org/rvs/1546129154.html (http://eugene.craigslist.org/rvs/1546129154.html)
Hope this works cause I just tried it and it was OK.
John
Looks worth it for someone that wants to fix a stix and staples motorhome. But it isn't a bus, nor even close to it. This is the main reason I dislike propane. Good Luck, TomC
Tom, I have set in on seminars at FMCA rallies about propane use and they say less than 1% of fires in Rev's are caused by propane 60% by wiring,28% by tires 11% by stupidity from the owners by not following the manufactures maintenance guide lines on propane appliances
good luck
If a fire resuts from lack of maintenance on a propane appliance wouldn't that then be considered a propane fire?
If the RV was all electric there would be no propane to burn.
Belfert, is stupidity the propane fault I would be willing to bet that was caused by someone not paying attention to a recall on the fridge and you will see the all electric coaches burned to the ground also
good luck
I've had the dubious pleasure of being asked to redo only 3 fire repairs, all three of the fires were in different S&S units, all had propane appliances, and all 3 fires were caused by electric toe kick heaters that had lint buildups. In my opinion all were the result of owner neglect, any appliance can be neglected if a person trys hard enough.
There was a recall for Norcold(?) that involved a fire hazard associated with the "ELECTRIC" mode of operation. I only noted that that thing was destroyed by a fire that started with the refer....clueless as to how or any specifics. I did read that almost all RV's die by fire and that the fires are almost always associated with wires.
I sure wasn't trying to steer anybody into a S&S rebuild. HONEST! If the engine and trans(must be an Alyson 5 speed World) were in operating order AND the thing was drivable I think someone around here with a bent towards repower would be interested. It is either a Cummins or a CAT @ 300HP and complete. Tires and alloy rims....somebody should have use for that stuff. Somebody besides myself.
When these things are in my vacinity, Eugene, Or., I will go out and at least count the tires if you are interested. We have a DD and Cummins service center up the road a piece.
Just try'n ta be helpful.
John
I'm sure that the statistical risk of propane is low, but my opinion is heavily swayed by the fact that I once saw a small flame from a minor stove accident on a boat rapidly turn into a raging inferno that totally destroyed the boat and seriously damaged several others. I won't have propane in my bus because of the perceived safety issue, and also because in the UK your life is made difficult because you have to employ licenced professionals to do any installation or servicing work on gas appliances.
Having said that I have an LPG installation on my Range Rover, despite the fact that one of my neighbours also used to have a Range Rover with LPG - and his caught fire one day and burned to the ground.
Whether you use propane is all about how you judge the risk / benefit equation. The fact that the LPG installation on my Range Rover halves the cost of running the vehicle makes it worth the small additional risk - and even if the worst was to happen the vehicle only represents a fraction of what I have invested in the bus for instance, where I consider that the small additional risk is too large to accept.
Jeremy
It would be interesting to see a breakdown of electrical fires in RV's. It is theoretically possible that the increased use of electrical appliances could equalize the statistics compared to propane. Now that is just theoretical, I have no idea if it does. Anyway, if we can't count propane appliance neglect as a propane fire, then we can't count Cody's heater fires as electrical.
John, Thanks for the offer. The downside I would think is it has a small motor 8.2 maybe. Probably not enough for a bus. But I don't know, maybe I am wrong again. Thanks Tom
Well, Jeremy on this side of the pond we have the Fords burning to ground in garages with no propane involved only wiring.
The only point I was trying to make is propane is a safe product has been around for years without any problems but it always goes back to the human error never checking or doing any maintenance some RV are burned by the owner and propane gets the blame.
They have a rash of that here now with economy the way it is.
I read in the paper Wed where a guy lossen his gas line to make a leak and when the hot water heater came on it burned the place down and he facing 5 years now.
Lin, the heater fires wern't mine, I was approached by the owners to rebuild the damage afterwards, didn't richard loose a bus to a heater fire a while back? DML
Cody,
I used your name only referencing your post. I know that they were not to your vehicles.
And speaking of lint...anyone with gas dryer (in your home) look at the lint that accumulates underneath/inside near the burner? I have and it is kinda scary. If you have a gas dryer and haven't cleaned it in a while (or ever) you might wanna look...or check your homeowners policy!
Dave,
Although I have never seen it happen, I have been told that the accumulated dust in a dryer or water heater can actually accelerate fast enough to be called an explosion.
Lin,
Your reservations about propane are so very very well placed. On a BOAT. I have friends in the USCG and they are all terrified of propane. Not really all that fond of gasoline either. Seems that the boat acts as a container for the propane and all the leaking gas settles to the very bottom of the bilge. get enuf in there and then add the spark and the entire boat looses its top decks. They tell me it is NOT a question of IF this happens but more WHEN. I wouldn't even allow propane to come aboard my boat for any reason....if I had one.
In my RV and in my future bus I will cook, refer., and heat with propane. I want to go out with a BANG and have them launch a search for my remains. I have leak detectors that are checked regularly. Propane and CO, both.
Clifford, I am with you...except on boats only. Airplanes would be OK, I guess.
John
John,
I think propane is fine in a coach. The lint/dust issue is simple maintenance and, as Dave said, should be looked into even at home. A boat could be a different issue for the technical reasons you mention as well as having nowhere to go in case of an emergency. You could run from your bus if you had to, but running from your boat requires Biblical talents.
This brings up a real issue in buying a converted coach. Your investment, and maybe your life, can be dependent on the electrical and plumbing skills of the builder. Those beautiful cabinets and appointments could hide his desperately deficient mechanical construction and planning ability.
Lin, that is a good one a friend of mine in Pryor Ok where the Vogue's were made told me all the time the whistles and bells on a conversion hide a multitude of sins and he was plant manager at Vogue
good luck
Aw, Clifford! I simply love those Vogues. Love'em! Never even occurred to me to ask on here if they were any good.
I have been told that Marathon was not really all that hot....they sure look good to me. I was told that Feather Lite was a superior built item. What else out there, in the converted Pres, is considered a high water mark. Thanks,
John
I was talking to a man that deals in used, highend Prevost conversions. He says his opinions are based on the work he does on them to get them ready for resale. Liberty is the only one he praises. He did not seem to have any respect for Marathon.
I would have to agree with Lin's guy the Liberty would be my choice after owning 2 from other converters.American built a good coach but he is gone now and did not build that many.
My Vogue was so/so I had a lot of problems with the conversion and the bus, 1996 was the first year Prevost used the independent front suspension guess who bought the very 1st one Lol.
Fwiw John Featherlite bought Vogue then it was changed to Vantare and now they are gone my understanding not many Prevost approved converters around now last I heard it was 5 left and shrinking.
There are some bargains out there Karl Blades called me last week and he had a 2005 H-45 some Nascar guy traded in on a Newell the price he offered that bus to me for was unbelievable and I think the price will continue to drop in the high end market.
good luck