Has anyone seen the Magnetic Powered Generator. Here is a couple links: First is from eBay and the other an inventor in Australia.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Free-Energy-Generator-Engine-No-Gas-Diesel-Oil-Fuel_W0QQitemZ230404102273QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a5279881 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Free-Energy-Generator-Engine-No-Gas-Diesel-Oil-Fuel_W0QQitemZ230404102273QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a5279881)
2nd link; FREE ENERGY Home Generator -Zero Point Energy - Off the Grid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efCelx7qe_M&feature=related#normal)
Some of you know I am only a few months into my bus adventure. I had seen this a couple of months ago on eBay and thought it was interesting!
Imagine not having to run additional fuel lines and all that entails having a second combustion driven powerplant on-board. I am just thinking out loud and wondering if anyone has seen these in person or have any additional information on this. I for one would love to have a electrical generating system that would not consume fuel or exhaust gasses with little to no maintenance or rebuilds. Well, in our lifetime anyway.
Lets hear your opinions ;D
Thanks,
Bryan
Hey if you buy one from that ebay guy ask him to throw in a kitchen sink too so you'll have a good place to pour your used snake oil !!!
boogiethecat,
Not necessarily looking to buy one from the guy on eBay. He does not sell the generator just the brochure to build one. Come on, pay attention and read the info ::)
Do you have any first hand information or knowledge about this system? Whether it works or not? Have you seen one? I am a very savvy buyer and not a person to be taken by a "Medicine Man" with his snake oil. So I will research before I plan anything.
Thanks for your informative response :D :D :D
Bryan
Since the First Law of Thermodynamics has not yet been repealed, such a device can not work. No amount of mumbo-jumbo can change that.
Save your money.
But that ad shows a great set of... oh, never mind.
-Sean
http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com (http://ourodyssey.blogspot.com)
It appears the Aussie has found perpetual motion if his generator works, which I have no doubt it does. But if it works as he says it does and will sell for only $5,000.00 he will be bought out or snuffed out by the utility companies and the plans will disappear.
Ebay guy I'm sure is a scam
Sean,
Maybe that set was what got my attention ;D :D ;D. We have all probably seen what opposing magnetic forces do when put in close proximity to each other, they push away. I do not know if there would be enough opposing force to drive a belt to run a generator but thought it looked kind of interesting. More so the video from Australia. According to the statement they would be about 5K.
Like I said I do not know much about these just thought it was interesting. I had no plans of spending any money at this point.
Thanks,
Bryan
P.S. When are you two heading back west? If you pass back through near the Hard Rock in Tulsa drop me a line. I would like to meet and check out your Neoplan. I have followed your blog for several months. Interesting stories ;D
Quote from: Old Scool Bus on November 26, 2009, 09:23:12 PM
.. if his generator works, which I have no doubt it does.
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Ebay guy I'm sure is a scam
Really.
Please educate me: why would you have "no doubt" (not even a little one?) that one works, yet be equally certain the other is a scam? I'd like to know, so I can spot these bona-fide devices that defy the laws of physics early, and maybe get in on the ground floor as an investor.
Bryan:
Believe me, I have a pretty good grasp of opposing magnetic forces. Magnetism is behind most electric generators* we use today. However, you can not get something for nothing; it is an immutable law of physics known as the First Law of Thermodynamics (look it up). In order for energy to be extracted by having opposing magnets push each other apart, energy must first be expended to push those magnets together. The First Law says that the amount of energy you will get out is exactly equal to the amount of energy you put in. Worse, however, is that some energy is lost on both sides due to friction, so in fact there will be a net loss, which is given off as heat (remember, energy can not be destroyed just as it can not be created).
Do not be fooled by the video. I once saw Darth Vader cut Obi-Wan Kenobi in half with a light saber, aboard a space ship capable of destroying a planet -- on video. Lots of things that don't (or can't) exist in real life can be shown on a video. Also, do not be taken in by "news" media; again, I once saw several major network news stations at once report on a little boy floating in a mylar balloon, that could not possibly have supported his weight, as if it was really happening. It is just as easy to play on people's hopes and dreams as on their fears.
FWIW.
-Sean
http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com (http://ourodyssey.blogspot.com)
* OK, I re-read my post here and realized that some bigger geek than me is likey to point out that there are ways to generate electricity without using magnetism (piezo-electric, photo-voltaic, etc.). So I changed "every" to "most"; for the purposes of bus conversions, generators are generally electromechanical, which involves magnetism, or photovoltaic. which does not.
Sean, I respect you as a very intelligent man, but do you really think everything has been discovered and that laws of gravity or anything else cannot be re described because some inverter or scientist thought outside the box and discovered some minute flaw in the original theory or law?
I'm not rushing out and investing but will give the guy the benefit of the doubt and await the arrival of the product on the market where it can be tested.
People selling plans for most anything on ebay are scams with a very few exceptions but I choose to stay clear of all of them.
You can shoot holes in any theory but why not be optimistic?
Quote from: Old Scool Bus on November 26, 2009, 10:12:55 PM
Sean, I respect you as a very intelligent man, but do you really think everything has been discovered and that laws of gravity or anything else cannot be re described because some inverter or scientist thought outside the box and discovered some minute flaw in the original theory or law?
No, I do not think that everything has been discovered. However, in order to disprove a major law of physics such as the First Law of Thermodynamics or the mass-energy equivalence (E=mc^2), a great deal of scientific evidence is required. In the scientific community, we require this work to be published openly, peer-reviewed, and for the results to be replicable by other scientists working from the same design. None of that has been done here.
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I'm not rushing out and investing but will give the guy the benefit of the doubt and await the arrival of the product on the market where it can be tested.
People selling plans for most anything on ebay are scams with a very few exceptions but I choose to stay clear of all of them.
You do know, don't you, that the OZ guy is selling plans for $49? So far, he has not sold (or built) a single working unit, but he's more than happy to sell plans. So how is he different from the eBay guy?
BTW, I'm very optimistic. I believe we will solve the energy problems of the world before it's too late (many scientists do not). But I do not believe in faeries, ghosts, the supernatural, the paranormal, or perpetual motion. I am a scientist: show me the calculations.
-Sean
http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com (http://ourodyssey.blogspot.com)
No I did not know he was selling plans ??? grrrrr
Sean,
Watching the video from Australia again the inventor states that it produces 5 times more power thank it consumes. If it will produce 24KW it should only require about 4.8KW to power it.
Here is a link to Lutec which is the one from Australia: http://www.lutec.com.au/index.htm (http://www.lutec.com.au/index.htm)
I do not know how efficiently this works but it does seem to work. There was a group of men that ran there tests on it and stated the efficiency was only I think in the 24% range.
I would think that it could be possible. Most likely very difficult to achieve. But hey there was a time when no one thought we could walk on the moon :o and laser was something from a Sci-Fi movie. One never knows what developments can be made that most never thought possible. The great thing about us humans is we continue to create and make the impossible possible. ;D ;D
I think the laws of Physics and Thermodynamics could always have a loop hole. A scientist invented those laws to begin with right?
Now that I am done being optimistic and do not see any on a shelf for sale and in operation I will continue to look at Onan, Kubota and maybe Generac ;D
Who is selling the plans? I did not see that on the Lutec website. They do list Patents in many countries. I know this does not mean it works ::)
Bryan
Heck - Perpetual Motion and HHO - 2 scams for the price of 1 - such a deal!
Quote from: niles500 on November 26, 2009, 11:55:19 PM
Heck - Perpetual Motion and HHO - 2 scams for the price of 1 - such a deal!
;D ;D
Some people think fools should be separated from their money.
Stop & think, if any of that crap actually worked, he'd make tons more money by building the units himself & selling power back to the grid.
The fact that he isn't doing that should tell you something.
BTW, if it has tits or wheels, it's gonna cost more than it's worth! This 'un had both ;)
A couple of years ago I spent some time researching Perendev engines such as this because I couldn't (and still can't) work out exactly why they don't work. It's blindingly obvious that they don't, if only because they would have been commonplace for decades if they did (if not centuries - magnetism is is hardly a newly-discovered phenomenon). But why don't they? And I mean a practical explanation in mechanical engineering terms, not the all-too-easy 'it breaks the law of thermodynamics' or other similar catch-alls.
I had a long talk with my Dad about this and ended up breaking all his assumptions on why the device was impossible. His original contention was that the energy produced by two magnets repelling each other was matched by the energy required to bring them together in the first place. This works if the magnets are in the same horizontal plane, but not if one is moving vertically under no influence other than the force of gravity. I think (and I may be wrong) that a magnet rotating in a vertical plane on an already-moving wheel is in a similar position to one falling under gravity. Obviously the wheel has to be set in motion first, but should (?) be self-sustaining after that.
In the end the only conclusion I came to why the things didn't work was practical - specifically that it isn't possible to orientate the magnets such that they repel each other in one position but don't attract each other (even to a small degree) in another. This is unsatisfactory to me as I'm sure there should be a much more obvious 'mechanical' reason why the the machine cannot work (again, leaving out theoretical discussions on how magnets can do work without containing any energy, and so on).
Jeremy
Hi,
About 10 years ago, I baught a set of plans off the internet for 50 bucks.
They were plans to reverse Global Warming! :P
Well guess What... They worked! :D
The planet is now 11 degrees cooler then scientists predicted... ;)
Nick-
Quote from: bryanhes on November 26, 2009, 11:21:19 PM
Watching the video from Australia again the inventor states that it produces 5 times more power thank it consumes. ...
And where does all this extra power come from? Again, you can't get something for nothing, it is simply impossible.
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Here is a link to Lutec which is the one from Australia: ...
Two minutes of Googling around about Lutec will reveal that it is widely regarded as a hoax and a scam. Australia has very strict libel laws, however, making it difficult for many to come out against the outfit within OZ itself. However, their latest scam seems to be trying to bilk money out of investors. (It looks like plans are no longer for sale). And while "Lutec" sounds like an impressive corporate name, the guy's name is Lu.
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I do not know how efficiently this works but it does seem to work. There was a group of men that ran there tests on it and stated the efficiency was only I think in the 24% range.
When you say it "seems" to work, what are you basing this on? No one outside of Lu himself has ever "seen" this thing work -- that's the classical scam. It's like a shell game or a magic act -- observed from a distance (such as on video), it all looks like it's working, right up until you take the magician away. In order for it to "seem" to the rest of the world like it works, he needs to build one and then give it to someone else (*not* an accomplice) to run.
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I would think that it could be possible.
Sorry, to say, no, it can not be possible. If wishes were horses, beggars would ride, but all the wishful thinking in the world can not make energy appear out of nothing any more than it can turn lead into gold.
Quote from: Jeremy on November 27, 2009, 05:11:23 AM
... contention was that the energy produced by two magnets repelling each other was matched by the energy required to bring them together in the first place. This works if the magnets are in the same horizontal plane, but not if one is moving vertically under no influence other than the force of gravity.
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Magnetic fields are fully three dimensional. It takes the same energy to move alike magnetic poles together in the vertical plane as in the horizontal plane; that's the only amount of energy you will get back when the poles repel each other.
Perendev has also been shown to be another hoax.
These companies (Perendev, Lutec, MagniWork, etc. etc.) persist because the public has shown over and over again that they will pay money for this stuff, so great is the siren call of perpetual motion, even though the outcome is the same every time. Pseudo-science is profitable; look at how much money the snake oil people make every year: consumers
want to believe in this junk.
-Sean
http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com (http://ourodyssey.blogspot.com)
I don't know what all the fuss is about.........i never made it past the first picture. ;D
Ed, you made me look! There is enough energy there to do me for a little while this morning ;D
JC
The mindset of some of the people on this board sickens me, you do realize that many of these things that you say don't work and will never work have been in the testing stages for a long time. GM has them, volvo has one, saab has one, several well respected universities have working models they demonstrate from time to time, they are even exploring the possibility for diesel but I'm not going to try to convince anyone, I'll let time do that, and yes the world is round . I don't know about the magnetic device and I'm very scheptical about it but the hydrogen power for vehicles has been in existance for a long time, even if some shade tree mechanics that claim to have engineering degree's refute the existance of them, but I'm not going to fight the mindset, time will prove it right or wrong. Just remember that the laws of physics are not cast in stone, they have been altered and changed several times and nothing in the laws of physics say it's impossible, the one most quoted is that energy cannot be created or destroyed, the part thats often left out is that it can be changed. Enough said, start the flames.
Quote from: Sean on November 27, 2009, 07:08:51 AM
Magnetic fields are fully three dimensional. It takes the same energy to move alike magnetic poles together in the vertical plane as in the horizontal plane; that's the only amount of energy you will get back when the poles repel each other.
-Sean
http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com (http://ourodyssey.blogspot.com)
Of course, but the point is that in the vertical plane the energy required to move the magnets together can be gravity, and therefore considered 'free' - therefore any work done by the magnets moving themselves apart again can also be considered 'free' Free energy - what a shocker.
Of course this isn't the case, but the point is that I cannot get my head around why. But in order to get 'continuous gravity' you would need to build a machine as big as a planet (or as small an an atom) to get the orbits to work.
This is just my musing - don't take it too seriously. And I'm definitely not going to get drawn into Cody's big-business conspiracy theories either!
Jeremy
Energy derived from gravity isn't free because in order to utilize it, you had to first expend energy by placing the object in a position to be able to move towards the gravity generator. You had to pick it up before you could let it fall. Inevitably the energy expended to raise the object is greater than the energy gained by letting it fall under the influence of gravity. Not to mention losses that must exist due to friction from bearings, mechanical linkages, air (unless you postulate all this happening without external devices of any sort and in a perfect vacuum, which doesn't exist either).
The laws of physics have never changed and will never change. At best, our understanding of them has changed. This is about the same as the fallacy that concepts like parallel, zero and infinity actually exist. They don't, they are merely useful ideas for allowing certain calculations to be performed.
Now, do I believe that someday a device may be invented that draws energy from some currently unknown source, like a parallel universe, or the 'ether'? Will that device create free energy? Maybe to us it will, same as a battery is free energy and magic to someone who knows no chemistry. I mean, stick a couple of pins into a lemon and run your laptop for free? well, no, you had to grow the lemon, carry it to where you needed it, find the pins, and stick them in the lemon. Eventually the chemical reaction will stabilize and you'll have to go find another lemon and maybe some new pins. But free energy from some parallel universe will still follow the laws of physics, we just might have to stand in a different place to read the book that explains them...
Brian
Go back and carefully listen to what the output of the generator is- 24kw per day-not per hour like our generators are rated at. So on a per hour basis, that magnetic generator is putting out 1kw per hour. Buying a generator that only puts out 1,000 watts for $5,000.00 is VERY expensive. Good Luck, TomC
Quote from: bevans6 on November 27, 2009, 08:38:53 AM
Energy derived from gravity isn't free because in order to utilize it, you had to first expend energy by placing the object in a position to be able to move towards the gravity generator. You had to pick it up before you could let it fall. Inevitably the energy expended to raise the object is greater than the energy gained by letting it fall under the influence of gravity. Not to mention losses that must exist due to friction from bearings, mechanical linkages, air (unless you postulate all this happening without external devices of any sort and in a perfect vacuum, which doesn't exist either).
I believe that's only true for conventional Earth-bound situations; imagine a spaceship traveling towards a planet - if it's on one course it will pass by the planet with no change in speed or direction. If it happens to be on a slightly different course (no extra energy consumed) it will accelerate or 'slingshot' around the planet due to that planet's gravity.
Quote from: TomC on November 27, 2009, 08:43:39 AM
Go back and carefully listen to what the output of the generator is- 24kw per day-not per hour like our generators are rated at. So on a per hour basis, that magnetic generator is putting out 1kw per hour. Buying a generator that only puts out 1,000 watts for $5,000.00 is VERY expensive. Good Luck, TomC
The generator isn't producing any Kilowatts at all Tom.
Jeremy
Quote from: Jeremy on November 27, 2009, 09:28:56 AM
I believe that's only true for conventional Earth-bound situations; imagine a spaceship traveling towards a planet - if it's on one course it will pass by the planet with no change in speed or direction. If it happens to be on a slightly different course (no extra energy consumed) it will accelerate or 'slingshot' around the planet due to that planet's gravity.
And the resulting increase in the spaceship's dynamic energy results in an identically-sized decrease in the planet's dynamic energy. Again, no free lunch. Just as one billiard ball can impart some or all of its energy to another billiard ball when they collide, so, too, can one object in space impart energy to another.
In this case, gravity is just an instrument in the transfer of energy. Because the mass of the spaceship is very small and the planet very large, the same amount of energy responsible for a huge increase in the speed of the spaceship is responsible for a tiny, almost imperceptible decrease in the speed of the planet. If you sent enough spaceships through this, the planet would eventually slow to a standstill.
Total energy is conserved, just as dictated by the First Law.
In fact, without relying on the First Law, scientists and engineers could not calculate anything in orbital mechanics. Nor could they, for example, calculate the size of radiator needed to keep your engine cool, or how far your bus can go on a gallon of fuel.
Here is a link to a better explanation of "slingshot" or gravity assist:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_assist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_assist)
-Sean
http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com (http://ourodyssey.blogspot.com)
(edited to add WikiPedia link)
Well I am glad I posted this and got everyone to thinking about the possibilities or lack thereof ;D At least I now know there is not one that I can throw into my bus and power it for the rest of my life, CRAP :-\ :-\ >:(
Thanks for all the interesting posts! And some laughs :D :D ;D
You never know, some day???
Bryan
I think that the guy who is selling these plans, might also be selling this... :o
http://cgi.ebay.com/TESLA-COIL-RADIONIC-BLACK-BOX-FREE-ENERGY-PSIONICS-PLAN_W0QQitemZ110462841364QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19b8193214 (http://cgi.ebay.com/TESLA-COIL-RADIONIC-BLACK-BOX-FREE-ENERGY-PSIONICS-PLAN_W0QQitemZ110462841364QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19b8193214)
Lol
Quote from: Sean on November 27, 2009, 10:00:21 AM
And the resulting increase in the spaceship's dynamic energy results in an identically-sized decrease in the planet's dynamic energy. Again, no free lunch. Just as one billiard ball can impart some or all of its energy to another billiard ball when they collide, so, too, can one object in space impart energy to another.
In this case, gravity is just an instrument in the transfer of energy. Because the mass of the spaceship is very small and the planet very large, the same amount of energy responsible for a huge increase in the speed of the spaceship is responsible for a tiny, almost imperceptible decrease in the speed of the planet. If you sent enough spaceships through this, the planet would eventually slow to a standstill.
True - and for the same reason the energy transferred from the Sun to the Earth will eventually cause the Sun to go supernova and end this debate for good - but in the meantime there is perhaps enough energy waiting to be exploited in the universe for us not to need 'free lunches' just yet.
Incidentally, whilst thinking about it a little earlier I remembered that when I looked into magnetic motors before I did come across a type that genuinely worked. I forget what it's called but they use a special type of magnetic material where the magnetism turns off and on according to temperature - if arranged properly this material can give a fixed magnet the properties of an electromagnet, hence the basics of a conventional electric motor. Raising and lowering the temperature requires an energy input of course, but as I understand it this heat energy doesn't in any way 'create' the magnetism, it merely turns it on and off. So is the energy inputted into the system contributing to the energy outputted, or merely controlling it? I'm not sure.
Jeremy
Nick,
When I looked at the eBay link you posted, I first thought it was to read minds :o There for a second I thought I could just quit posting questions and read everyone's mind from afar and not even need to type anymore :D :D :D ;D
Good one ;D
Bryan
Meanwhile, back on planet Earth . . .
I am in negotiations with my Antipodean colleagues to obtain the first batch of refined WRO* from them. I have converted my engine to successfully run on this exciting new fuel, and it produces more power, less pollution, and the exhaust smells of fresh Copperhead. I have plans available for only $99.99 for anyone else who wants to also get similar benefits from their engine. No more diesel for me! Be the first on your block to run your engine on real snake oil (beware of imitators).
John, listening to Johann Strauss's Perpetuum Mobile as I type this
PS - Sean is right, Einstein was right (mostly).
* - Waste Reptile Oil
Well since GM has HHO - We (government) own 60% of GM - We (government) must be co-conspirators -
BTW - HHO is magic
Check this out
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/foxe_reports/Device_Makes_Power_from_River (http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/foxe_reports/Device_Makes_Power_from_River)
http://www.vortexhydroenergy.com/ (http://www.vortexhydroenergy.com/)
just change it Device Makes Power from Vibrating Bus
this :D might be the real deal :'(
"In the scientific community, we require this work to be published openly, peer-reviewed, and for the results to be replicable by other scientists working from the same design. "
Ummm, would that be like the global warming data by scientists(?) Phil like Jones at the Hadley CRU in East Anglia.
Just wondering.
Fred M.
Absolutely!! Yes, yes that's the way. Peer-reviewed (only those who qualify though).
I love this thread, perpetual motion is my favorite subject. I remember working with my grandfather on this motion 50+ years ago. I was awed by his pulleys, belts, magnets and wheels, but he got me into mechanics thou. But then, I was blown away; first, no Santa; then perpetual motion is impossible. I was crushed for years...... One of my first science projects was a 9volt battery, two wires and some salt water. Put the wires in the water and "WOW" bubbles of oxygen and hydrogen appeared. Now for the fun part, put some dishwashing liquid in the water and gas came up in bubbles that floated. Hold a match under the hydrogen bubbles and it "EXPLODED", well, maybe just a small "pop"; but the grandkids still think I'm a pretty good magician. But if you think deisel is expensive, build a unit and expend enough energy to power a buss and I will guarantee, you're wallet will not be green any more. I have followed these guys for at least 5 or 6 years and they are really full of $#!%, it is too bad they did not expend this energy for what they are trying to sell. If what they had was real, no one could hide the information and they would be instant billionares, faster than Bill Gates. But I did buy a set of their plans and I also will not turn it into a patent to make billions, so come on bus nuts for $50.00 a shot I will give you all the energy you need for you're bus.
Ray D
P.S. (HINT) I still have my deisel generator....
Ray...whad' da' ya' mean by , "No Santa"? I know he is real...no cookies and milk in the morning! ;D
JAck
With respect to vortex shedding, if you ever wondered what makes your trailer sway, that's part of it. Not all, but part. You get a build up of pressure along one side, the trailer moves, the pressure bleeds off, the other side is presented to the air flow and builds pressure, etc. When you get pulled and pushed by a semi-tractor, the same thing. When the tractor trailer is beside you, the air between you speeds up as in a venturi, the pressure is lowered, and you are "sucked" towards the tractor trailer unit. I have a Vee nose trailer, and the degree to which this effect is accentuated by the slope of the Vee nose is ridiculous. Worst trailer for sway I have ever owned. I put Air-tab vortex generators on it, cut down the sway dramatically by controlling the vortexes as they generate off the tail of the trailer.
Brian
P.T. Barnum was correct! I love technology and new innovations.......but sometimes I think the failure of the public education system is root of all evil.........lol........I've never seen so many good people duped by "snakeoil salesmen", if you need a way to get rid of your hard earned money........sent it to the needy not the crooks! ;)
I got hand on expertize, & can tell that when you rub them together they produce heat!!!!
The one in the car window I am talking about!!!
Quote from: treasureman on November 27, 2009, 06:34:47 PM
Check this out
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/foxe_reports/Device_Makes_Power_from_River (http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/foxe_reports/Device_Makes_Power_from_River)
http://www.vortexhydroenergy.com/ (http://www.vortexhydroenergy.com/)
just change it Device Makes Power from Vibrating Bus
this :D might be the real deal :'(
That's pretty cool. I've heard of projects that produce compressed air from ocean waves using a similar manner. The compressed air is then used to drive a turbine to produce electricity.
The fish analogy is pretty interesting, too. What that says to me is that if I can build a bus that I can flex back and forth like a fish, I can make it move through the air (and hence, down the road) with no diesel power! Think about it. Your bus flexes to the left, and the collects a vortex. Then it flexes to the right and shed the vortex, driving it forward and collecting a vortex on the opposite side. Rinse and repeat!
Hey, I think I just invented the next big perpetual motion energy scam of the century!
Who want's in on this great deal. Only $9.99 for plans.
thinking it through, that's what my horribly swaying trailer was doing - I guess I was actually getting better gas mileage when it was swaying than not!
Brian
As has been posted many times, you can't get something for nothing. These scams have been going on for a couple hundred years.
Hey Nick, if you seriously want to learn about global warming you can go to your library and check out a book titled "Censoring Science".
You don't even have to read the whole book, just the first chapter of 26 pages.
If you want to find out how all the other BS came about you can continue to read the other chapters.
Even the "Aginers" don't deny that global warming exists, they just say it isn't caused by humans.