Im sure this question has been asked like a million times but i cannot find anything so here it goes.
What are the advantages/disadvantages to switching to a regular style oil filter instead of the cartridge style?
Also how can i convert to the regular style if i wanted?
Thanks for all the help guys.... and gals :) -Josh
Ok, I'll throw a few ideas...
Cartridge style elements are cheaper, but it is messier to change them.
Spin on style requires you to source an adapter for the oil, or the correct mounts for the fuel, and change it all over.
The oil flow freaks will suggest that spin-ons let you prime the filter with oil prior to install...
If you have run out of important things to spend your time and money on,
it's another project to keep you out of the house?
happy coaching!
buswarrior
I just did what you are talking about, I got an adapter from Ryder Fleet Products part# V52 3301350S and I paid $60 back in Sept. of 08. The spin on filter (Fleetguard LF3333) was $16. I have three PF132 filters that I will not use.
Bob
I posted to this yesterday but the post apparently got lost.
I have always blown out my air cleaners. I don't need to do it much now since I don't drive from and to Alaska anymore.
I have always monitored my engine with an oil analysis program and the silicon content was as low then as it is now.
If the filter was damaged and allowed dirt to pass through, I believe the silicon levels would rise.
Am I missing something?
Quote from: akroyaleagle on November 19, 2009, 03:01:50 PM
I posted to this yesterday but the post apparently got lost.
I have always blown out my air cleaners. I don't need to do it much now since I don't drive from and to Alaska anymore.
I have always monitored my engine with an oil analysis program and the silicon content was as low then as it is now.
If the filter was damaged and allowed dirt to pass through, I believe the silicon levels would rise.
Am I missing something?
Joe,
I don't know if your post got lost or just misplaced like this one!
Oil filters are best if replaced not blown out ;D .
;D BK ;D
Quote from: Busted Knuckle on November 19, 2009, 03:17:55 PM
Joe,
I don't know if your post got lost or just misplaced like this one!
Oil filters are best if replaced not blown out ;D .
;D BK ;D
Actually, BK. Blowing them out works very well, just a little messy ;D :D ;D. I still replace mine, though ;D ;D ;D. Just kidding about blowing them out (for those of you who might not have a huge sense of humor ;D).
God bless,
John
Hey, I have a 1947 Catterpillar D4 with an oil filter that you clean with kerosene and reuse. It is probably 60 years old and the original.
Of course it has an oil bath air filter. Upstream of it is a glass bowl that traps the coarse pieces of dirt before it gets into the filter.
It also has the glass bowl gasoline sediment filter for the gas pop (starter) motor.
Maybe I should have posted this in the air filter thread? LOL.
JC
JC, I have a caterpillar 15 that I use to drag logs out of the woods and I do not even know if it has a oil filter! Do You think I should check! LOL It sits for years and five gallons of gas a piece of paper pulled through the bosh mag points and it usually starts on the second pull. Do You have other old iron? sorry for the hijack, john
cartridge style filters are just old fashioned filters from before manufacturing techniques allowed cheap and reliable manufacture of spin-on filters. They are typically better than really cheap spin-on's and not as good as quality spin-on's. spin on filters can be a whole lot less messy, easier to change, you can fill them before you install them, and as such are probably a good upgrade. You can easily examine a cartridge filter insert to see if there is trash in it, but you can cut a spin-on filter apart and examine it anyway if you want to.
Brian
Interesting to note that Detroit started with cartridge type filters, but were removable from the engine-that's where all the mess comes in and having a hard time resealing them. So Detroit switched to all spin on filters. Now with the new DD13, 15, 16 liter engines, Detroit has again gone back to cartridge type filters-but built into the engines. When you remove the top of the filter the suction is broken and the oil or fuel drains back down and you simply lift the paper element out and install the new element-not much mess involved. Engines are improving. Good Luck, TomC
Does anyone remember the old Toilet Paper filter? I had one on an old Ford PU 292CI V8. I would swap out rolls of TP monthly and used that old girl hard. With over 100K miles it still didn't use any oil to speak of. LOL
Those things are still around:
http://www.frantzoil.com/home.html (http://www.frantzoil.com/home.html)
By-pass filter...just like the 750
Wonder what the micron rating was on the toilet paper?
This is another vendor
http://www.gulfcoastfilters.com/ (http://www.gulfcoastfilters.com/)
happy coaching!
buswarrior
Quote from: DaveG on November 20, 2009, 07:10:16 PM
By-pass filter...just like the 750
Wonder what the micron rating was on the toilet paper?
I'll bet ply rating and softness have an effect LOL