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Posted by: "LOUIS" lohern1966@yahoo.com lohern1966
Mon Nov 9, 2009 3:51 pm (PST)
- am parting out a 1955 gm super senic cruiser.6v92 with 5k miles on it.you can hear it run .drove the bus from california to arkansas 3 -ears ago.ran perfect.still does.been started and run every month.hot batteries .will run right now.lot of parts to sell cheap.870-919-0462
Hey Aaron,
Here's a good 'un for you - Fix the air leaks & put a new brake valve on it & drive her home!
$5k would take it.
Any pics?
Any chance it could sell complete cheap? Real cheap?
I'm as cheap as they get, but I have to admit the Scenic is one bus I have always loved! ;D
(yes Kyle I said that! But of the 2 buses I have always dreamed of owning, the Setra S417 won as it was a $ maker! ;D )
;D BK ;D
$5K is what he feels he will net if he parts it out/ scraps it, so that is the selling price for the whole thing.
BK, That is a very fair price if you can drive it home with just fixing the air leaks & brake pedal valve. He said they drove it around the yard & had to use the spring brake to stop it.
If the 13 speed, 8V71, & radiator are half as good as he said, it is easily worth the money.
It was a southeastern greyhound while in service, so it had the best service. . . . .
Definitely should be saved . . . .
Quote from: kyle4501 on November 12, 2009, 09:24:47 AM
$5K is what he feels he will net if he parts it out/ scraps it, so that is the selling price for the whole thing.
BK, That is a very fair price if you can drive it home with just fixing the air leaks & brake pedal valve. He said they drove it around the yard & had to use the spring brake to stop it.
If the 13 speed, 8V71, & radiator are half as good as he said, it is easily worth the money.
It was a southeastern greyhound while in service, so it had the best service. . . . .
Definitely should be saved . . . .
Kyle I agree $5,000.00 is a very reasonable price for it! But drive it home or not $5,000.00 is very hard for me to scrape up these days! (before we bought those 2 '05 Setra's I might have gotten away with it, but now days I'm a poor busnut! ;D
;D BK ;D
put it on the layaway :D
Same way here, Just a poor Busnut after giving Uncle Sam another $4800.00 Seems the wife forgot to have enough taken out last year and our poor Uncle needed his share. So there went the extra bus fare this year. I looked at the pics Kyle and this old girl is ROUGH "Ruff". Forget about the insides. Not bad looking outside. If I had it Kyle I might even think about it, but I have never payed that much for either of my Scenicruisers. Unless you add in the Landoll transportation cost across country.
Where Are The Pictures??? Wasnt There Some Pictures Of The Bus Here?? I Thought I Saw Some Last Week???
I Also Would Love To Own One Of These GMC Buses. Its Been A Long Life DREAM Of Mine To.
I Gotta See Some Pictures.. Before I Can Open Up MY Safe. :D
10-4
JOHN
Here are four more.
Last two.
Thanks For The Extra Pictures....WOW. The Old Girl Looks Sad :'(
There Is NO Way You Should Part This Bus Out.!!!. That Would Be A Real Shame. This Old Bus Has Survived All These Years.She Deserves Better Than To See The Jaws Of A Crusher :o
So,... Whats All Wrong Besides The Brake/Air Problems You Mention??.
How About Rust?? Im Sure There Is Some Rust.But How Much Is There??
Tires???? ????? ??????
So,If I Fixed The Brake/Air Problem There At Your Place? Do You Think This Bus Would Make Another Trip?? To Say DENVER?? I Know Thats A Tough Answer. But Just Thought I Would Ask. This Would Be The Only Way I Could Buy It. The Bus Would Have To Bring Herself Here On Its Own Power.
WOW...I Think Im In LOVE Again :-*
Thank You For Your Time.
JOHN 8)
Quote from: Len Silva on November 10, 2009, 07:47:27 AM
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Posted by: "LOUIS" lohern1966@yahoo.com lohern1966
Mon Nov 9, 2009 3:51 pm (PST)
- am parting out a 1955 gm super senic cruiser.6v92 with 5k miles on it.you can hear it run .drove the bus from california to arkansas 3 -ears ago.ran perfect.still does.been started and run every month.hot batteries .will run right now.lot of parts to sell cheap.870-919-0462
Quote from: kyle4501
$5K is what he feels he will net if he parts it out/ scraps it, so that is the selling price for the whole thing.
BK, That is a very fair price if you can drive it home with just fixing the air leaks & brake pedal valve. He said they drove it around the yard & had to use the spring brake to stop it.
If the 13 speed, 8V71, & radiator are half as good as he said, it is easily worth the money.
It was a southeastern greyhound while in service, so it had the best service. . . . .
Definitely should be saved . . . .
So which is it 6V92 or 8V71? And where in AR?
I am interested, even if I don't have all the $ right now I might could come up with it.
Will it start? Drive? What are the tires like?
If it would run & drive with the air leak fixed I probably could find a place to park it on our new property when we get it.
;D BK ;D
Give the old boy a call. He can tell you more. He did say that it was his mistake and she still has a 8V71 that was rebuilt not long ago. Also she has what the owner told me was a 13 Speed roadranger that could pass anything on the road. The old girl is located just north of I-40 and west of Memphis, TN.
I'm sure the tires are OLD & should be replaced. . . . . Especially the steers!
But, if it were me, I'd look 'em over & if they passed the look-see test, I would consider driving it, but only if I had a chase car or two keeping an eye on the tires as you're driving down the road at a very moderate speed - The higher the speed, the more heat is built up in the tires which leads to tire failure.
While I haven't seen this bus, I have spent some time with a bus I bought that had been sitting in a storage yard for ~5 years. I put new steers on it, splashed some fuel in it & basically drove it 700 miles - only problem was the false engine shut downs from the safety circut & the pivot shaft for the starter bendix falling out. An otherwise uneventful trip.
I drove another bus about that same distance from Delaware & it had been sitting for about 10 years. That trip was more eventfull than it should have been - If we hadn't tried to stop at the Bridge Tunnel (bought 2 new 8Ds), we wouldn't have run into heavy traffic & made a wrong turn (realized starter solenoid was the culprit, not the batteries) & then wouldn't have run out of daylight that required a hotel (required a cold morning start & $$ for the room). . . . .
As for the rust, this bus was a southeastern hound while in service, so it should have less than moderate rust. If the air beams still hold air - no real rust to worry about. Otherwise, it is like almost any 55 year old vehicle . . .
If I was gonna drive it, I'd get a roll of DOT air tubing & enough fittings & adapters to fix any air line issue that presented themselves during the trip. Most issues can be fixed before the road service shows up . . . . ;D
BK- There ain't but so many left, You already have a jump start on the rest of us by having tires & bus knowledge on your side. . . .
She may look rough, but the bones look good & you aren't paying for any polish or paint that is hiding problems either . . .
You wanted tire shots, then here they are.
One of the biggest drawbacks that I see are the two upper windows are gone, but covered up with metal or aluminum skins. Now if you can find a set of those original curved glass vista windows, you'll be in business.
Think polycarbonate.
Or, you could give Pat McNeil a call. . . . .
Just see what it can be.
http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=2547.135 (http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=2547.135)
BK, I would pass on that bus a friend of mine and I look at it about 5 years ago in CA someone had cut all the cross braces trying to lower or raise the floor what ever they do to convert one to a RV it was a cobbled up mess.It was a 8v71
I don't how they are supposed to do the floor but that one scared both of us it was worse than the other 2 we looked at and he passed on he knew what to look for I had no idea till he showed me that is the problem with those when someone has no idea on how to fix the floors.
The guy in CA was asking 20 grand I wonder what the fellow in AR gave for it Dick offered him 2500.00 just for a parts bus he sorta of offended the owner not really he pissed him off big time
good luck
I don't think the floor is that hard to fix - IF you approach it the right way. Might be a real bitch to restore to seated tho . . . .
The bus structure is the alum skins spaced apart with sheet steel formed ribs. A similar approach is how to fix the removed structure. Would help to have another stock 4501 to look at when fabricating the repairs.
The bus looks straight & if it isn't sagging, It ain't too far gone. It ain't like you're gonna be putting a million more miles on it anyway.
There are no more than 250 left, waiting isn't going to increase those numbers.
If someone really wants a PD4501, the time for waiting for a nicer one for the money is probably past.
Don't forget, this is a shell that needs repairs & is full of trash disguised as remnants of an older conversion. There is absolutely nothing there as far as conversion goodies go (that you can reuse). So, there should be no disappointments.
How many have bought a converted bus only to find the interior (that they paid extra for) wasn't useable & had to be removed . . . .
If it is scrapped, I'll try to make a road trip & save what I can . . . . one never knows . . . . Besides, Jack Hart & I are due for another fools errand. Aaron, what does your schedule look like? ;D
Somebody PLEASE step in and get this thing! I need to stop drooling! BK, it's in TN for cryin' out loud! Please remove this temptation from the web! I'm going to get busted here for internet bus porn! ;D
Glenn
Quote from: Tenor on November 16, 2009, 05:20:19 PM
Somebody PLEASE step in and get this thing! I need to stop drooling! BK, it's in TN for cryin' out loud! Please remove this temptation from the web! I'm going to get busted here for internet bus porn! ;D
Glenn
It is? Where?
The add say's AR
I'd be willing to look at it, but I'm also skeptical of the floor being cut out. I have a guy who is quite capable of helping with any fabrication that needs done. But at what cost?
I appreciate all the advise and opinions here, but in all honestly Clifford is the only one who's seen it in person (other than the seller). And as usual I highly respect Clifford's advice!
FWIW If I get a chance to go look at it I will!
Shoot I've brought worse things home and lived to tell about it! ;D
;D BK ;D
Bryce, the floor can be made to be lowered and bolted to the frame like mine was done, I need to take some photos of it and post here.
Jack
BK, the same guy I was with has a 1954 with seats and all the windows he is thinking about selling he getting on in age and knows he doesn't have time to restore it but he won't sell to anyone that is going to chop it up.
We bought the tandem 4-71 from a driller in NM several years back to install in it but never done that yet
good luck
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BK - this is from the first page of this topic from Scenicruiser 997 -
"Give the old boy a call. He can tell you more. He did say that it was his mistake and she still has a 8V71 that was rebuilt not long ago. Also she has what the owner told me was a 13 Speed roadranger that could pass anything on the road. The old girl is located just north of I-40 and west of Memphis, TN."
I'm just having fun with this post, please don't feel that I actually am pressuring you. But you could at least go look at it.... ;)
Glenn
Quote from: Now Just Dallas on November 17, 2009, 07:18:17 AM
Well, it could be worse, it could be like this one on eBay: 110458502610 where someone tried to make a Buffacruiser or a Scenilow out of a 4104!
Rarely have I ever suggested that someone would be better off scrapping a coach, even a 4104, than restoring it, but this is one.
Sorry to be slow getting back with you Kyle. But if you and Jack decide to come take a look at her or to get parts, you just name the place and time, and I will be there. You two guys are a real hoot.
North of I-40 and west of Memphis, TN.
You don't get much closer then that BK
Lonnie
BK, you are probably the closest if your from NW Tenn. Just give the guy a call and go see it, and report back to us what you found out. I know there are other 4501 guys on here watching and waiting for more info. Don't forget about the big SCENICRUISE 2010 in Texas. It should be a real show, seeing all those old buses on Route 66. You don't have much time to ger her ready for the big dance. So start today and you will be one day closer to finishing her up.
Fella's I am going to try and get time to go to ARKANSAS to look at her!
Look at a map, I-40 crosses the Mississippi River into ARKANSAS @ Memphis! There is no west of Memphis in TN! Memphis is as far west as TN gets!
But no problem, I will call and see when I can go look at it, Kyle, Jack, Aaron wanta meet up and go with me? I got a place close by to store it! (actually more than 1 ;D)
;D BK ;D
I spoke to the owner last week. Scenic is located near Augusta, Arkansas.
Tom
I know of several of these currently for sale across the country. All conversion projects. I was contacted about another one in Kentucky last week also.
Tom McNally
Tom, if you added on to your bus barn, you could put this right next to 1001
The problem is that if Tom buys another bus, his wife will own the barn! ;D
The trick to getting your wife to let you have more buses is to keep them where she doesn't ever have to see them. ;)
Bus barn is full. Three buses is plenty for any fool! Kyle, got to have em close to get anything done. Otherwise your wasting your time commuting! Got to have all your tools handy too.
I worked on mine tonight for about three hours. (almost every night for past 6 weeks) I get quite a bit done in the evenings after work.
I need another thing with wheels....... like a hole in my head!
Tom
I found out that I'm in a 'historic' district now. That is something new this year & is causing some opportunities with the new rules concerning buildings on the property & how they look. Once I finish the city hall gauntlet, (& save up a little), I'll put up a 'temporary' metal building to house the 'work in progress'.
It's gonna be interesting squeezing a bus port in my yard since I live down-town in the old residential area!
But it is in the works!
;D
Well, it a historic bus, isn't it? Whats the big deal.
Quote from: Len Silva on November 18, 2009, 05:32:28 AM
Well, it a historic bus, isn't it? Whats the big deal.
Closed minds.
The people who lobbied & pushed for the historic district drew the lines so their houses weren't included, but their neighbors were. They don't have to abide by the additional restrictions that we do. All of the meetings were carefully advertised in such a way those of us who were concerned about the additional rules were not aware . . . .
S0, now the productive path is to work within the new rules, I don't like it, but my bride
LOVES our house, so we ain't moving & I don't want to upset SWMBO. ;)
The best picture I have was taken the last time it snowed - nothing like a thick blanket of snow to improve the looks of a house. ;D
Make sure that you call your new building a "carriage house".
Quote from: Len Silva on November 18, 2009, 09:16:49 AM
Make sure that you call your new building a "carriage house".
Excellent idea! ;D
THat way, at least it will look good on paper! 8)
Quote from: luvrbus on November 17, 2009, 07:11:59 AM
BK, the same guy I was with has a 1954 with seats and all the windows he is thinking about selling he getting on in age and knows he doesn't have time to restore it but he won't sell to anyone that is going to chop it up.
We bought the tandem 4-71 from a driller in NM several years back to install in it but never done that yet
good luck
Luvrbus,
Did you get my PM? Could I get the contact info for your buddy? I Would like to update my serial number list to see if I have his Scenicruiser on my list. Thanks in advance for your help, I appreciate it. Take care.
Tom McNally
Come On Guys.....DO SOMETHING.!!
This Is About The Best And Most Interesting Post ANYWHERE On The Net. Or Maybe Its Just That I Love These Old CRUISER'S So Much Its Fun.
Better Hurry.
More And More Buses Are Being Crushed EVERYDAY.. By STUPED People
Don't Ask Me How I Know This..... :( :( :( :( >:( >:(
Just My 2 Cents........HURRY UP..........Please.
JOHN