We're in Vegas for a couple of days, and I need a new set of tags. Where by "new" I mean "new to me."
We take 12R22.5's, and I am loath to put brand new shoes on the tag axle. So really I am looking for something used, less than, say, four years old (by DOT date code), and with legal tread left.
If anyone has personal recommendations for tire shops in the Las Vegas area, please let me know by, say, mid-day Friday. We're at Sam's Town, so someplace here in the Boulder Highway area would be ideal.
Also, I need a couple gallons of 40 weight, if anyone knows who stocks it around here.
Thanks.
-Sean
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Sean, I can't help you with tires in Vegas, but any NAPA can get you Rotella 40wt. It might take a few hours to get it from their central warehouse, so call it in to make sure. Like most things NAPA, be prepared to over-$pend, but sometimes you need parts (and oil) quick.
HTH,
Brian
Thanks, Brian -- I probably was not clear in my OP.
I'm looking for someone who stocks it on the shelf. Waiting for it from a warehouse is not in the cards for us, I'm afraid.
Yesterday, when we stopped for the night 15 miles away, I called the Napa in Tonopah to make sure they had 40-wt in stock. He assured me he did, and I told him I would be in today for a couple gallons.
When I walked up to the counter this morning, he looked stunned. The mining operation had come in first thing in the morning and cleaned him out -- he had forgotten all about my call. I then ran all over Tonopah looking for 40-wt., to no avail.
My experience with Napa is that only stores with active 2-stroke customers actually stock 40-wt. (Ironically, that means that the same miners that yanked it from under me this morning were the very reason it had been on the shelf there at all.) Therefore fewer and fewer Napa outlets actually have it on the shelf. The vast majority, when asked, can have it "tomorrow" (as was the case with the Tonopah store this morning). Usually, "tomorrow" we will be 150 miles away.
Such is also the case with our stay here in LV. I will call around tomorrow morning -- Napa is always my first call, since they have the best chance of actually having the stuff, followed by O'Reilly -- to see if anyone has it on the shelf. However, if they don't, we won't still be here on Monday when they'll be able to get it (although there is a very slight chance someone could get it by Saturday if asked on Friday).
Incidentally, by way of illustrating just how few 2-strokes are on the highway these days, I will share that when we hit the road five years ago, we could find Rotella 40 in perhaps four out of every five Napa stores we tried. Today, it is more like one in five. Most times, the counterman just looks at me with a blank stare, and asks why in the world anyone would use a single-weight oil -- many of these guys have never even heard of a 2-stroke diesel.
FWIW.
-Sean
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Hey Sean,
I just thought I'd give ya a little bit of info for obtainium from NAPA's.
In a large city like Vegas they usually have a main distribution center and will be able to get it anytime of day.
In smaller citys like ours if you order it before 9:30-10:00 AM they will get it on the afternoon truck same day! We do it all the time.
Now just in case those scenarios won't work, look up oil distributors online and call one of them will have it or be able to tell you who does! FWIW
Have a great day!
;D BK ;D
In Abilene TX NAPA and O'Reillys did not stock any 40 wt. but a local oil distributor has many cases of Rotella and Chevron. Needless to say I bought enough for two oil changes, and the price was great.
Whoda thunk it in this little town! ;)
Paul
Ihave seen it in Walmart.
Sean, you might call Gary at B&B Coachworks in Vegas. Chances are good he knows all the local sources. Seven O Two Ate Seven Tree Foe Foe One Fife
Sean,you are a couple of miles away from me, give me a call if you like @ seven 0 two six six four 42 six 5 might be able to help,will check here in boulder city ,think we got some here at car quest. How much do you need?
Sean, just checked here in Boulder city , they have six Gal of delo 40,how many you need?I'll pick them up for ya.
also there is a little outfit located caddy corner from sams, boulder Hwy, btwn Nellis and Flamingo that deals in pre rotated tires, might check with them ,gary at BB is cross town (arville,Trop).Let me know should I pick up the 40 oil,have to come in town this morning,and will bring it with me ,I'll only charge you the usual rate(Howdy and a hand shake) :)
Ok after doin some searching , Cheyenne auto parts 1525 e.tropicana 702-435-7122 called them and they will have 2 gals waiting for you @ 11:00 am
Directions,they are less than 2 mi from you . from sams ,left on nellis then left on tropicana just past the auto zone on the right.good luck
Hey Van,
Great job sourcing the oil for Sean. Just one slight piece of advice on the subject! Since Dallas is not here to give his usual warning about being sure it is CF-2 rated, I'll do it for him! Delo is good if it is the Delo 100 40W not the Delo 400 40W!
FWIW ;D BK ;D
Good pernt,the delo here in BC is the 100 type,used it last year when I brought the bird down to Clifford's, I think Sean preffers the Rotella if i am not mistaken ;D
Thanks, Van and everyone. I will run down to Cheyenne after 11.
BTW, I use Rotella mostly because it is easier to find in SAE-40, not due to any real preference. In a pinch, I will use any CF-2 rated oil that I can find.
Oddly, Delo-400 seems easier to find in straight 40 than Delo-100. I say that's odd because I would think most folks still using straight 40 are running 2-stroke Detroits, and, as noted, Delo-400 does not meet the spec (IIRC, the sulfated ash content is too high). I have to imagine many simply do not know the difference; here again, I've had counter clerks give me a blank stare when I asked -- to them, Delo is Delo, they never even noticed the number.
I'll be calling around for tires the rest of the morning.
-Sean
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Hey glad to help.Incidently ,I call ed our BC store and what they have left is the 400 delo an the warehouse said they no longer cary the 100 for some reason,go figure! Sean you are good to go at the trop store ;) how long are you gonna be in town ,would love to come meet you guys and maybe get a few photos of Mr Neo ;D
P.s Bryce,good lookin out buddy,ya dun em' proud ;)
You guys better read the delo 400 40w specs on the jug states very plain meets DDC and MTU 1 and 2 specs the 15/40 Delo 400 doesn't.All C rated oil has less than 1% ash per EPA
good luck
Quote from: luvrbus on August 21, 2009, 09:26:36 AM
You guys better read the delo 400 40w specs on the jug states very plain meets DDC and MTU 1 and 2 specs the 15/40 Delo 400 doesn't.All C rated oil has less than 1% ash per EPA
good luck
Clifford I don't have a jug to read. And I ain't try'n to argue with you, I just know that I was told many moons ago (back when I was working hurricane KATRINA relief I think) that the 100 met the specs, and the 400 didn't, and of course the 400 was all I could find at the moment! (I did buy and use 2 cases of the 400 but have been insistant on the 100 since then.
Of course it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong! I remember once when I thought I was wrong, but it turned out I was mistaken! ;D
;D BK ;D
Quote from: luvrbus on August 21, 2009, 09:26:36 AM
You guys better read the delo 400 40w specs on the jug states very plain meets DDC and MTU 1 and 2 specs the 15/40 Delo 400 doesn't.All C rated oil has less than 1% ash per EPA
Sorry Clifford, I have to disagree with you on this one.
Delo-400 40 has a Sulfated Ash content of 1.35%; DDC specs for the 2-strokes required less than 1%, so Delo-400 does not meet the spec.
Source:
https://www.cbest.chevron.com/msdsServer/controller?module=com.chevron.lubes.msds.bus.BusPDSList®ion=NA&txtPDSNumber=DELO&directPDSLink=TRUE&isLoginPage=true&lbLanguage=e (https://www.cbest.chevron.com/msdsServer/controller?module=com.chevron.lubes.msds.bus.BusPDSList®ion=NA&txtPDSNumber=DELO&directPDSLink=TRUE&isLoginPage=true&lbLanguage=e)
(Scroll down to the first "Delo 400" entry and click it to get the product data sheet for the single-weights, in PDF format. I can't post a direct link here, as they are all Javascript. Click the link on the left, not the MSDS link on the right)
Delo-400 used to meet the specs several years ago, but they changed the formula. Note that right in the spec sheet for the Delo-400 single weight, it says "(4-stroke)" next to Detroit Diesel under the "meets manufacturers specs" section.
FWIW.
-Sean
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What is the CF-2 rating? ???
Sean and Bk check buy calling Chevron the Delo 400 was reformulated again late in 2008 to meet the EPA requirements for 2009 for C rated oil to be less than 1 % ash and fwiw all C rated oil will be less than .5 % in 2010 I got this from a Chevron employee and new jug of Delo 400 I read to be sure
you guys have a good day and I hope you find some tires Sean it's to bad I didn't know I just gave 2 12r 22.5 Toyos away with about 50% wear left
Quote from: luvrbus on August 21, 2009, 10:17:06 AM
Sean and Bk check buy calling Chevron the Delo 400 was reformulated again late in 2008 to meet the EPA requirements for 2009 for C rated oil to be less than 1 % ash and fwiw all C rated oil will be less than .5 % in 2010 I got this from a Chevron employee and new jug of Delo 400 I read to be sure
Thanks, Clifford.
Apparently, they have not yet got around to updating the data sheet on their own web site. Go figure.
That said, I would be careful of any found on a store shelf, if they just changed it less than a year ago. Sometimes this stuff sits on the shelf or in the warehouse at least that long.
-Sean
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p.s. Still looking for tires. I am waiting to hear back from Wiens Commercial. Any other suggestions, anyone?
Quote from: van on August 21, 2009, 10:01:04 AM
What is the CF-2 rating? ???
This is part of the rating system promulgated by the American Petroleum Institute (API). Most engine manufacturers will stipulate that oil must meet one or more API designations.
"C" is for diesel engines, whereas "S" is for gas engines. The "F" is the revision or generation of the spec; CE was an earlier spec than CF, and CG, CH, CI, etc. are later ones. They try to be "backwards compatible," but some changes to the formulation end up being incompatible with older engines, so it is important to make sure the oil you buy is specifically listed to the API designation you need.
"-2" means 2-stroke, whereas "-4" means 4-stroke.
It is easy to find 4-stroke oil to the latest spec, such as CI-4. It is much harder to find CF-2, which is the specific rating DDC requires for its 2-strokes. Most CF-2 is also rated CI-4, and may also carry SJ-4 and other ratings for gas engines.
-Sean
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A good piece of info there,never knew that,thank you!mucho :)
Well, went to Cheyenne Napa around noon -- no oil. They sent them 15-40. Should be there this afternoon; will try again tomorrow.
Van, if you want to drop by today, now that I am back home, I can chat any time before 5. Call my cell first, just in case. Number on my contact page:
http://ourodyssey.us/contact.html (http://ourodyssey.us/contact.html)
I'll either be in the bus, basking in the air conditioning, or at the pool. You can't miss Odyssey -- we're right in the middle by the pool.
-Sean
Addendum:
If you come by, and you happen to have an old 3.5" floppy disk lying around, could you bring it? I am in desperate need of a single diskette, and Radio Shack wants $9 for a ten-pack. No one else even carries them.
-Sean
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Sean,yes I do ,how many? shoot you can even have your choice of colors LOL
Just need the one. Don't think the computer cares what color it is :)
-Sean
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I would suggest multiple floppy disk as I always seem to have to go through several to find good one. I always format them and throw away any that have any bad sectors.
Most floppy disks by now are usually years old and they don't always stand the test of time.
Boy! am I glad I kept my old PC,just realized all my cherished hot rod shots are on floppy's :o,.
Floppy disk? I think I remember seeing those in a museum once... ;D ;D
I must be too old or too much of a pack rat.....
I still have PROGRAMS on 5.25 floppy disks... and computers that will run 'em!
TOM
I still get out the old kaypro and play dugeons and dragons. It is a cpm machine. I also can set my own parameters on my man make him unbeatable.
uncle ned
OK, OK, before we all take a trip down "memory" lane (pun intended), I will explain why I need a (gasp) floppy disk.
First, though, an update: Napa eventually got my oil and I now have two spare gallons of Rotella-40 on board, and today Ted Wiens Tire over on Blue Diamond mounted up a pair of Michelin XDN Grip take-offs on my tag. I really would have preferred rib tires to these traction items, but they were literally the only two take-offs from here to Holbrook. They were also five years old (1204 date code), and show some weather checking on the sidewalls. But they looked to be in good shape, and had perhaps 25% tread left, which is good, considering the Firestone FS560s they replaced can now used as racing slicks -- I will try to post a photo on the blog tonight or tomorrow. They ought to tide me over until the steers wear down some, at which point I will move the steers to the tag and put fresh rubber up front (the steers were just replaced a few months ago, and have barely 6,000 miles on them, so I was definitely not ready to consign them to tag duty just yet). Best of all, the whole thing only set me back $350, with tax and mounting.
So, about that floppy: My computer crapped out a few days ago, and I am trying to recover it without reinstalling Windows from scratch, which would be a lengthy and painful process considering how much other stuff I would have to reinstall. It is a laptop with a CD/DVD drive and a 500GB SATA hard drive -- no floppy, of course.
All the files are on the hard drive, and the drive checks out, but Windows will not boot, even in "safe mode." It hangs after the splash screen, at shell load time. I know the hardware is good, because I was able to boot it right up after reinstalling an old hard drive that I had removed from the machine many moons ago when I upgraded it. In fact, I am typing on it now.
The very next step in the troubleshooting process now is to launch the "Recovery Console," which is a challenge when you don't have a Windows CD (Windows was pre-installed, and all I have are recovery disks that would erase the hard drive and restore the machine to it's original state). However, using stone knives and bear skins, I was able to create a bootable Recovery Console CD. That's great, except that bootable CD's, whether they are just a recovery console or an entire Windows CD, can not detect SATA hard drives, only IDE.
In order for the recovery console to access the hard drive, one needs to press F6 at a certain point in the boot sequence, at which time the system will prompt you to insert a FLOPPY DISK with the appropriate drivers for your hard drive controller. And Microsoft, in its infinite wisdom, has made it such that only a floppy disk in the A: drive will work -- you can't use a CD, USB Drive, or anything else. They might as well have insisted on paper tape.
In any case, I have a USB floppy drive which I can attach to the machine, and I have the hard disk controller drivers ready to load, and I am hoping that the Recovery Console CD will detect the USB floppy and allow me to load the darn drivers and make progress on this problem.
Fortunately, we finally met up with Van today and his lovely wife, and he brought me a handful of the relics. Tonight I will load the drivers up and give 'er a shot. BTW, we had a nice visit with them, and chatted for well over an hour at the Welcome Center right there in Boulder city before we headed over the dam.
-Sean
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Quote from: Sean
Fortunately, we finally met up with Van today and his lovely wife, and he brought me a handful of the relics. Tonight I will load the drivers up and give 'er a shot. BTW, we had a nice visit with them, and chatted for well over an hour at the Welcome Center right there in Boulder city before we headed over the dam.
-Sean
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I sure hope ya meant across the dam, not over! ;D
;D BK ;D
Sean,
You probably know this but you can use Nlite to slipstream your SATA drivers into whatever boot disk you are using so that it loads the drivers automatically. I had to do the same thing a couple of years ago for a server recovery. I don't remember enough of how to give you a step by step but can probably recall enough to really screw it up with Googles help.
Nlite site is here:
http://www.nliteos.com/ (http://www.nliteos.com/)
PS: It's not that hard but don't tell anybody. I make my living doing this ;D ;D
Have fun!
TOM
Quote from: oldmansax on August 22, 2009, 07:36:47 PM
You probably know this but you can use Nlite to slipstream your SATA drivers into whatever boot disk you are using ...
Actually, nLite requires you to start with an actual Windows installation disk (or image). The way I made the recovery console CD, nLite will not recognize it as such, and refuses to go any farther -- I tried. That said, if the F6 trick does not work, my next step will be to recreate, from first principles, an XP install disk using only the already-installed files on my machine. That's a pretty long process in and of itself. Once I have a real install disk, I can then use nLite to slipstream the SATA drivers. (When faced with this, I decided that finding a floppy to try was an easier first step.)
-Sean
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Just what is the diffrence besides size between 11R22.5 and 12R22.5 is the 11 an 12 the width?? Are the 12r,s better, why? Are they more expensive, My MCI 9 came with the 12R,
Thanks
John
The 12s should have more weight capacity. Weigh each of your axles and determine if you need the extra capacity or can go with an 11. I don't know if a 11 will fit on the same wheel as a 12.
Quote from: johns4104s on August 23, 2009, 08:59:11 AM
Just what is the diffrence besides size between 11R22.5 and 12R22.5 is the 11 an 12 the width?? Are the 12r,s better, why? Are they more expensive, My MCI 9 came with the 12R,
John,
These are entirely different tires. Yes, the "11" or "12" is a "nominal width," but that actually defines other dimensional aspects of the tire as well. So an 11R22.5 will not only be narrower than a 12R22.5, but it will also have a smaller diameter. This would lower the ride height, as well as reduce your speed for any given rpm in any gear. Your speedo would need to be recalibrated, and it would also lower your top speed.
More importantly, as Brian wrote, the load capacity of an 11R22.5 is much lower than a 12R22.5, which is one of the reasons for the price difference. The 12R, in addition to simply having more material overall, will have heavier belts and sidewalls to handle the additional load.
Lastly, while most 12R22.5 tires can be fitted to either 8.25" or 9" rims, most 11R22.5 tires can only be fitted on 8.25" rims, so it would be important for you to know which width rims you have on your coach before making a switch.
-Sean
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Quote from: Sean on August 22, 2009, 06:59:03 PM
... considering the Firestone FS560s they replaced can now used as racing slicks -- I will try to post a photo on the blog tonight or tomorrow. ...
OK, photos of the bald tires are up on the blog, here:
http://ourodyssey.blogspot.com/2009/08/ahhh-cool-at-last.html (http://ourodyssey.blogspot.com/2009/08/ahhh-cool-at-last.html)
Quote from: oldmansax on August 22, 2009, 07:36:47 PM
PS: It's not that hard but don't tell anybody. I make my living doing this ;D ;D
Tom -- well, the F6/diskette thing worked like a champ, and I got the Recovery Console loaded, but that still did not solve my problem. If you are feeling charitable and want to give me some free advice, the gory details of the problem and where I am at with it are here:
http://ourodyssey.blogspot.com/2009/08/seeking-reader-assistance-xp-gurus.html (http://ourodyssey.blogspot.com/2009/08/seeking-reader-assistance-xp-gurus.html)
I'll take any help I can get :)
-Sean
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Sean, those symptoms sound a lot like a situation I once had under XP Pro. The file explorer.exe became corrupted. The byte size was correct and the file attributes were correct and there were no problems related by any of the trouble shooting you mentioned. But I found a tip that said to replace it with a clean copy of it. So I tried it and that did the trick.
hth
Sean, That sure is bald, was the other tire identical? How long had they been on the tags?
John
Quote from: johns4104s on August 24, 2009, 07:04:43 AM
Sean, That sure is bald, was the other tire identical? How long had they been on the tags?
The last photo shows both tires.
One of them had perhaps 40,000 miles on it -- we replaced both as a set with brand new Firestones in October of '07. That would be the bald one, which was on the undamaged side of the axle. The other one has unknown mileage -- the bent wishbone on the right side of the tag ate the brand new tire in just 15 months, which would be about 25,000 miles. We had it replaced in January of this year with a take-off from a fire apparatus; an identical Firestone FS560 to the one it replaced. We had the bent wishbone replaced in February.
Quote from: HighTechRedneck on August 23, 2009, 02:08:11 PM
Sean, those symptoms sound a lot like a situation I once had under XP Pro. The file explorer.exe became corrupted. The byte size was correct and the file attributes were correct and there were no problems related by any of the trouble shooting you mentioned.
Thanks. Explorer.exe was the very first thing I looked at, since it is the default "shell" program and it looked to me like things were hanging at shell load. However, it was fine, with an identical MD5 hash to the working one on the other drive.
That said, I have made more progress. Using a free utility from Microsoft called WinDiff, I found several corrupt DLL's, including the event logger, which starts up just a little before the shell. By restoring those, I was able to boot into Safe Mode last night, but something is still not right and I could not get the System File Checker to run. I found another pair of corrupt DLLs this morning and will be trying again in just a few minutes.
-Sean
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