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I took the time to look over the Membership Roster today (because being a Holiday I had the time) and something jumped out at me!

We take a great deal of pride in the fact that a lot of folks have taken the time to become Members but they don't post! :-\

Do they have the mistaken impression that this Board is being monopolized by the 50-75 of us who post regularly, chide each other and do they think that they've stepped into a private club of BusNuts where their questions and opinions are not appreciated?

I pretty much know the regulars and the Moderators and, MAK, hasn't set up this wonderful vehicle for the use of a few and to the exclusion of others.
:(
I'm not anyone special on this Board.  I'm just a Newbie like many of you.  But the best way to make this Board work is for those of you who don't feel you have a large voice or profile is to C'MON in!  The waters' fine.  No one here BITES! ;D

I just have a bigger mouth than the average bear and I love people...all people...especially BusNuts!

Please accept this personal invitation from just another BusNut to get involved more with the Board and the Chat Room.  I'm in the C/R probably more than most and will welcome you...whoever you are.  C'mon in and let's talk buses or whatever you wish to discuss.

cordially,

Bob

I have only had one other experience with a chat board (it was also about buses).  It was hosted by Yahoo and not to bore with details, it was not a great experience.  Maybe some are afraid to express their opinions or whatever because they are afraid of looking foolish because it is intimidating whenever you have some on this board who are literal encyclopedia's of bus knowledge.  They know the exact ohms or amps or whatever is given off by each headlight.  They can tell you exactly how much air pressure your tire exerts whenever it runs over a dog turd in the road.  They can calculate the amount of water each windshield wiper displaces at each swipe, based on the trajectory of the wind at 65 mph.

Sometimes its a little intimidating.

Let me be the first to say that I don't know much about buses at all.  Except, I LOVE THEM!!!  Heck, I thought a Newell Coach was a bus until today. 

So, come on, don't be shy.  I promise you will not be the dumbest person on the board.  That position is already filled, thank you.  I just wish I could become a "superhero" poster, but I don't know enough to chime in on 99% of the posts. 

Jimmy

Y'know Brojcol, you're not the only one who feels 'overwhelmed' by the experience and knowledge on this Board.  Probably what will always keep me a "newbie" is the vast amount of experience stored in the brains cells of those who have been the pathfinders in our hobby.  ;)

Just about the time I think I have a cogent thought and opinion I find that even if I offer it...it's not rejected...it's usually complimented by the more learned among us.  No one has EVER taken me to task for offering my opinion...right or wrong.

Everyone on this Board is congenial, acceptive of everyone and is heartfelt bent in assisting each and every one of us with a problem.

And, NO, I'm not on MAKs' payroll!  I've only chatted with him once and was impressed with his knowledge and patience.

Thank you for your response.  Let's just hope that more offer their opinions...that's what we're her for.

Bob

Quote from: brojcol on July 04, 2006, 01:03:01 PM
I don't know enough to chime in on 99% of the posts.

Jimmy

Neither do I, But I try not to let that stop me. If I sound stupid, maybe others won't expect too much.  :)

Enough opinions help ferret out the best solution.

kyle4501

Bob,

I really enjoy reading this board.  Since I have never built a bus I like leaving the talking to those who know what is going on.  My Grandad always told me it is better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you are a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.

It is the attitude that you expressed in this post that make this a friendly board to be a part of.   

So, until later, I'll sit in the back of the bus and watch.

I barely find time to read all the stuff on this board and do my regular work no time to respond to posts unless I have an unusual addition or have some time on my hands but that rarely happens so I will continue to read -- visit the bus garage when I have time -- and post if I think it wil help someone or I have a problem I think someone can help me with.

Not really lurking just useing what I can and helping if I can.

Melbo

I don't post very often but I try to help when I can. If a thread  is marked OT, I don't bother reading it (this is a bus board). If the topic is something I have a lot of knowledge on, I read the question and form an answer in my mind. I then read the responses to see if the question has been answered correctly. If there are a lot of posts that have gone off topic or are just bs, I don't waste any more time and go on to the next thread.

BTW: I read this thread because the topic got my attention. I wondered why anyone would have the time or interest to read a membership roster.

As one who was kicked off the Yahoo MCI board for a simple question, I also am reluctant to post on other boards unless I have a specific question about my bus!
Alton

I feel I can assure you that you will not get kicked off this board, even with an off topic question as long as it is not phorno or very foul language. Even then, with five moderators, one of whom is probably on the board the majority of the time, the post would just get deleted and you would get a warning notice before you were actually kicked off.
Post away. We want to hear from you!
Richard

Quote from: fiddlearound on July 05, 2006, 06:09:56 AM
As one who was kicked off the Yahoo MCI board for a simple question, I also am reluctant to post on other boards unless I have a specific question about my bus!
Alton

I want to assure Stan that my original intent in looking at the Membership roster was only in curiosity to see if there were more BusNuts in my area than I'm aware of.  Then it became quite apparent that so many of our members weren't posting so why not invite them to get more involved? :)

I am probably one of the more guilty ones for posting "Off Topic" and will accept any criticism for my actions...however some of us DO have a sense of humor and it seems to be appreciated from time to time when we attempt to add a bit of levity in the direction of some of those members who appreciate it. ;)

Bob

And we really need a little levity from time to time to try and keep us sane. ::)

Quote from: Ncbob on July 05, 2006, 06:30:06 AM
I want to assure Stan that my original intent in looking at the Membership roster was only in curiosity to see if there were more BusNuts in my area than I'm aware of.  Then it became quite apparent that so many of our members weren't posting so why not invite them to get more involved? :)

I am probably one of the more guilty ones for posting "Off Topic" and will accept any criticism for my actions...however some of us DO have a sense of humor and it seems to be appreciated from time to time when we attempt to add a bit of levity in the direction of some of those members who appreciate it. ;)

Bob

Richard,
Aren't the two terms, Sane and Bus Conversion mutually exclusive?

Dallas

Quote from: DrivingMissLazy on July 05, 2006, 06:39:28 AM
And we really need a little levity from time to time to try and keep us sane. ::)

Quote from: Ncbob on July 05, 2006, 06:30:06 AM
I want to assure Stan that my original intent in looking at the Membership roster was only in curiosity to see if there were more BusNuts in my area than I'm aware of.  Then it became quite apparent that so many of our members weren't posting so why not invite them to get more involved? :)

I am probably one of the more guilty ones for posting "Off Topic" and will accept any criticism for my actions...however some of us DO have a sense of humor and it seems to be appreciated from time to time when we attempt to add a bit of levity in the direction of some of those members who appreciate it. ;)

Bob

Is that like JUMBO shrimp or Mlitary Intelligence? 

Probably. And I can guarantee that it is an incurable disease.  ;D
Richard

Quote from: Dallas on July 05, 2006, 07:49:53 AM
Richard,
Aren't the two terms, Sane and Bus Conversion mutually exclusive?

Dallas

Quote from: DrivingMissLazy on July 05, 2006, 06:39:28 AM
And we really need a little levity from time to time to try and keep us sane. ::)

Quote from: Ncbob on July 05, 2006, 06:30:06 AM
I want to assure Stan that my original intent in looking at the Membership roster was only in curiosity to see if there were more BusNuts in my area than I'm aware of.  Then it became quite apparent that so many of our members weren't posting so why not invite them to get more involved? :)

I am probably one of the more guilty ones for posting "Off Topic" and will accept any criticism for my actions...however some of us DO have a sense of humor and it seems to be appreciated from time to time when we attempt to add a bit of levity in the direction of some of those members who appreciate it. ;)

Bob

Now that we are way off track I have a question.  As was mentioned earlier Jumbo Shrimp and Military Intelligence are mutually exclusive and are called Oxy-Morons.  Does anyone know the word that describes the opposite?  For example: Overly Redundant.  Overly redundant probably would be a good definition for this word.

Quote from: Moof on July 05, 2006, 08:26:50 AM
Now that we are way off track I have a question.  As was mentioned earlier Jumbo Shrimp and Military Intelligence are mutually exclusive and are called Oxy-Morons.  Does anyone know the word that describes the opposite?  For example: Overly Redundant.  Overly redundant probably would be a good definition for this word.

To really confuse the issues,
the answer to your question is yes.

The word is PLEONASM

A good definition is available at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleonasm

Hello-

Sorry to change the topic back, but I can echo a couple of thoughts stated earlier, and I have my own reasons for keeping my post's limited-

First off I'm very bus challenged and totally in the dark on the repairs I need to do. I will post a query but refrain from asking anything other than what's totally relevant to my task.

When I joined here I was skeptical.
It was a time before anyone stepped up with a response. That reinforced it.
The guys that did reply saved me from looking elsewhere for answers, and I decided to stay.

At that point I realized some (but few) have little interest in my project.
I decided to bite the bullet and try to keep those interested with updates of some sort.
I don't expect many replies—and don't get them. Look at my view count on my posts. My project is worlds apart from the majority of issues posted. Nobody here (except 46Brillbus) has another like it. (But some have had a Brill.)

I would tire of posting with little or no replies and would eventually move on, but the enthusiasm shown by 3-4 buys here are enough to keep me feeling "wanted".

Let's face it, I'm the real minority here-

I have a 60-year old coach—probably older than a few of the members' here-
I would suspect some here would rather see me on an antiques' board--but like the Cheshire cat--"I just grin and bear it".

At this point I rely exclusively on our mem' 46Brillbus, as he has been a Godsend with help and info. It was only because of him that I've made it this far. I met him here, so that is more the reason to post updates here.

Oddly, I read 90% of everything posted. I skip the travel posts because they make jealous and wane to go on holiday (bus or no bus), as I haven't had one in several years.

And I skip some of the direct queries about certain coaches because I have zero ideas or input. Heck, sometimes I can't even figure out what's being discussed. Many here are so used to the parts names or abbreviations, that they fire off the questions and blokes like me see it as all Greek.
That is to be expected from some members' long board relationships-

I've also visited chat several times, and found no one home. It's probably my timing. I will keep going back, though-

I don't appreciate cursing, or sex related topics on a bus info board. Those are just a click away if I felt so inclined (which I don't).

O/T posts don't bother me. I'll read them if I have a care- and as I'd said above, sometimes these can be the only things I can understand. That is the reason I read this thread. And I'm glad I did-

I'm not intimidated here or afraid to post.
On the other hand, I don't like to waste others' (the majority here) time.

I have met a few wonderful people here and on chat and hope to strengthen my bonds with them as time goes along.

This is why I always thank all that have replied—its only being polite- Something I was taught (beaten into submission) at an early age and practice openly and freely. Hopefully being an influence as well.

I plan to attend that Va. bash with my Fam' that was mentioned on chat, and I have some interesting schemes as to what happens after (if) I get my Brill going.

And yes, I'm still searching for another old bus for a completely different refurbishing approach (I found a 41 (?) REO, but it's a bit much for me to spend with the Brill repairs pending at this time).

It's bucketing down outside, so that's why I'm posting now, and not working on the coach. I have the time.

Finally, and as a side note (O/T!) I'm past the half-century mark, thin and not muscle-bound—weak, actually and on meds'.
I have little income, as I do side jobs with what's left of my construction equipment- from selling off the business to tend to my to daughters upbringing and catching up on bills.

I don't do nanny or babysitters for my girls—it's the Wife, me, or nobody- (except the Wife's mum).
This takes up the majority of my time. Also, it's few and far between that I have any help. I know one guy that will stop by on occasion—and that's it.

Oh, and thank you for this thread, NcBob-


So now I've melted your minds with my diatribe..



Cheers..

Quote from: Ncbob on July 05, 2006, 06:30:06 AM
... curiosity to see if there were more BusNuts in my area than I'm aware of. ...
Bob

Is there a way to sort the members by state?  I'd like to do that to see if I can find elusive busnuts close to me.  But then maybe they don't want to be found.   ;)

Egad Bob ... I just did a spell check on this note and it wants to respell your screen name as "Nabob" .... thought you would get a kick out of that.  ;D
Merlin

Quote from: Brill-o on July 05, 2006, 08:58:13 AM
... At that point I realized some (but few) have little interest in my project. ...

I read all of your posts about the Brill.  In my heart I would love to be working on a Brill or Flex Clipper, but my present (and final) bus is not finished. so all I can do is allow my desire to own a true classic live vicariously through you and other owners of classics.

When you get to that "puttin' stuff inside the bus phase", you may have plenty of us offer suggestions about unique designs and ideas.  Most buses are pretty much the same during that phase.  Little quirks here and there differ, but not drastically.

I'm at that fun part right now where things are finally looking like a partially livable bus.  Will happily share any of my design ideas.  One idea that I had but eventually toned down was to make the interior look reminiscent of the old "art-deco modern" zephyr trains.  The only reason I mention that is your Brill is a worthy shell for that type of interior.  What say ye about that?

Merlin

Well, let me be the first to apologize for not responding to your posts. As you have probably noted, I do respond to a lot of posts because I have something to add. Whether it is of any value or not is another thing. LOL

Unfortunately I have not had anything to respond to in your posts as i know absolutely nothing about a Brill. However that does not mean that I do not look forward to your posts and the various problems you are having. Hopefully I will lean something about the Brill. I suspect that most of the members are in that same shape. You have an unusual (to say the least) vehicle and I believe everybody on the board is looking forward to your future posts and your progress on it. I do not think it is that we are not interested, it is just that we have very little to add to assist you at the present time. As you progress with the restoration, I feel that you will get more response, as we have anything to add to help.

Please do not give up on us. There are many of us, including myself, in the same financial position with little or no funds to tackle a restoration like this. In fact I no longer own a bus. I have however, over the years, acquired a broad general knowledge of busses and feel that I can offer some advice from time to time that relates directly to experiences that I have had.
Richard

Quote from: Brill-o on July 05, 2006, 08:58:13 AM
Hello-

Sorry to change the topic back, but I can echo a couple of thoughts stated earlier, and I have my own reasons for keeping my post's limited-

First off I'm very bus challenged and totally in the dark on the repairs I need to do. I will post a query but refrain from asking anything other than what's totally relevant to my task.

When I joined here I was skeptical.
It was a time before anyone stepped up with a response. That reinforced it.
The guys that did reply saved me from looking elsewhere for answers, and I decided to stay.

At that point I realized some (but few) have little interest in my project.
I decided to bite the bullet and try to keep those interested with updates of some sort.
I don't expect many replies—and don't get them. Look at my view count on my posts. My project is worlds apart from the majority of issues posted. Nobody here (except 46Brillbus) has another like it. (But some have had a Brill.)

I would tire of posting with little or no replies and would eventually move on, but the enthusiasm shown by 3-4 buys here are enough to keep me feeling "wanted".

Let's face it, I'm the real minority here-

I have a 60-year old coach—probably older than a few of the members' here-
I would suspect some here would rather see me on an antiques' board--but like the Cheshire cat--"I just grin and bear it".

At this point I rely exclusively on our mem' 46Brillbus, as he has been a Godsend with help and info. It was only because of him that I've made it this far. I met him here, so that is more the reason to post updates here.

Oddly, I read 90% of everything posted. I skip the travel posts because they make jealous and wane to go on holiday (bus or no bus), as I haven't had one in several years.

And I skip some of the direct queries about certain coaches because I have zero ideas or input. Heck, sometimes I can't even figure out what's being discussed. Many here are so used to the parts names or abbreviations, that they fire off the questions and blokes like me see it as all Greek.
That is to be expected from some members' long board relationships-

I've also visited chat several times, and found no one home. It's probably my timing. I will keep going back, though-

I don't appreciate cursing, or sex related topics on a bus info board. Those are just a click away if I felt so inclined (which I don't).

O/T posts don't bother me. I'll read them if I have a care- and as I'd said above, sometimes these can be the only things I can understand. That is the reason I read this thread. And I'm glad I did-

I'm not intimidated here or afraid to post.
On the other hand, I don't like to waste others' (the majority here) time.

I have met a few wonderful people here and on chat and hope to strengthen my bonds with them as time goes along.

This is why I always thank all that have replied—its only being polite- Something I was taught (beaten into submission) at an early age and practice openly and freely. Hopefully being an influence as well.

I plan to attend that Va. bash with my Fam' that was mentioned on chat, and I have some interesting schemes as to what happens after (if) I get my Brill going.

And yes, I'm still searching for another old bus for a completely different refurbishing approach (I found a 41 (?) REO, but it's a bit much for me to spend with the Brill repairs pending at this time).

It's bucketing down outside, so that's why I'm posting now, and not working on the coach. I have the time.

Finally, and as a side note (O/T!) I'm past the half-century mark, thin and not muscle-bound—weak, actually and on meds'.
I have little income, as I do side jobs with what's left of my construction equipment- from selling off the business to tend to my to daughters upbringing and catching up on bills.

I don't do nanny or babysitters for my girls—it's the Wife, me, or nobody- (except the Wife's mum).
This takes up the majority of my time. Also, it's few and far between that I have any help. I know one guy that will stop by on occasion—and that's it.

Oh, and thank you for this thread, NcBob-


So now I've melted your minds with my diatribe..



Cheers..

Hey there Merlin &DDL—

Thank you for the replies and thank you for reading my posts-
I understand the gist of both of your comments and they are taken to heart.

Yes. I'd like to do more of a period interior look, but still keep some modern conveniences for safety and reliability. I will inquire of your thoughts and ideas when it's the relevant time. I think my Brill would be a worthy candidate-

I am far from that stage now, but each day brings a bit more reality to the final completion.

I understand what you said about more input when I get to the inside stage—and that's good because I'll be truly lost at that point.

I also realize that what I'm working on is far from the norm'.

We plan on using this as a "holiday coach", which as I'd previously stated doesn't happen too often. This is the other reason I chose such an old coach—hoping with maintenance upkeep and little travel it will last us a very long time.

I've always loved buses, old lorries, trolleys, PCC's and hearses for their beautiful looks and attributes. They are most unique in a world full of cookie-cutter vehicles-

I hope my fantasy becomes a reality.

All here will be kept informed and know in due time..


Cheers..

For my first post on this forum I guess I'll stick my neck out. I haven't built my conversion. I didn't build my previous conversion. Both were done by Liberty on new Prevost shells. I bought them both used.

But in the 16 years of ownership there is virtually nothing I have not repaired, replaced or maintained. I have replaced air bags, brake chambers, hub seals, hoses, ride height valves, leveling valves, brake linings, brake pads, etc. I have repaired the AC units and I have repaired or replaced refrigerators, heaters, lighting, etc. I have repaired my Webasto, and added systems not installed when the coach was converted.

But despite a lot of hands on, and a very good understanding of the sophisticated systems there appears to be a resentment towards people that buy their conversions, especially new or newer ones. The reality is I don't have the time, desire or skills necessary to convert a coach and make it anywhere near the quality of what I can buy. Very few people do because to build a coach takes almost 8500 man hours (for an already established design) and hundreds of thousands for the shell and the quality level of materials I want in a coach.

I will chime in here if I think I can add something to the discussion, but also expect my credibility is lacking despite never bringing my bus to anybody when it needs repairs or maintenance.

Rauchy,
First , let me be the first to welcome you to the boards.
You stated my position much better than I could have. Nice post.

I also purchased my conversion. I found that if I spent the time working at my regular job, instead of converting a bus, I was financially significantly ahead, and I could use that extra money to pay for the conversion already done. The coach was actually converted by the predecessor of the current Marathon organization, so I go back a lot of years. Like you, I had no desire to do it all my way and have something totally unique. Although I probably had the skills to do a conversion my time was better spent making money to pay for someone else's labor.

I spent several years searching the country for the right one. In fact we flew from LA to Florida, with cash in hand one time, to buy a conversion. I also flew to Canada and other areas of the country before I found the right one. I finally ended up buying a used one off the Marathon lot. All of this took place before the days of the INTERNET and all the information that is available currently.

I felt that if I could find something that the interior pleased my wife, then I could take care of any external repairs or changes that needed to be made, but I could do them while we enjoyed the use of the coach.

Like you, I also worked on everything on the coach after I got it, except for the drive train, and over a period of many years repaired many, many things and learned a lot. I do not feel that you lack anything in credability, and probably have a lot of information to offer newbees.

Again, welcome aboard from someone who has been in your same shoes.

Richard

Quote from: rauchy on July 05, 2006, 10:53:28 AM
For my first post on this forum I guess I'll stick my neck out. I haven't built my conversion. I didn't build my previous conversion. Both were done by Liberty on new Prevost shells. I bought them both used.

But in the 16 years of ownership there is virtually nothing I have not repaired, replaced or maintained. I have replaced air bags, brake chambers, hub seals, hoses, ride height valves, leveling valves, brake linings, brake pads, etc. I have repaired the AC units and I have repaired or replaced refrigerators, heaters, lighting, etc. I have repaired my Webasto, and added systems not installed when the coach was converted.

But despite a lot of hands on, and a very good understanding of the sophisticated systems there appears to be a resentment towards people that buy their conversions, especially new or newer ones. The reality is I don't have the time, desire or skills necessary to convert a coach and make it anywhere near the quality of what I can buy. Very few people do because to build a coach takes almost 8500 man hours (for an already established design) and hundreds of thousands for the shell and the quality level of materials I want in a coach.

I will chime in here if I think I can add something to the discussion, but also expect my credibility is lacking despite never bringing my bus to anybody when it needs repairs or maintenance.

 Ok..Ok I'm going to post something.......Did I say that out loud.

This guy is a real newbie..my first post

Intro----  steamguy56--- steam(hobbie)  guy(male)  56(manufacture date)

Things going on during this pivital year of my life.
restoring steam traction engine (large)
try to restore at least 2 old tractors a year
building a park (Pa Pa's park) first grandson
converting 1979 mci

stage....floors out metal under there prept..raised roof..working in rear cap area..
just pulled the radiators and fan(what fun)

In my spare time I'm 1/3 owner of the recycling center's (3) of N.Fla,SGa.
thats a fancy name for junkyards. I spend about 50 hours a week in the Live Oak yard

Thought I'd better introduce myself so I wouldn't be acused of LURKIN

I've just been hanging around LURNIN...thanks for all the unsung help        Danny

Quote from: Moof on July 05, 2006, 08:26:50 AM
Now that we are way off track I have a question.  As was mentioned earlier Jumbo Shrimp and Military Intelligence are mutually exclusive and are called Oxy-Morons.  Does anyone know the word that describes the opposite?  For example: Overly Redundant.  Overly redundant probably would be a good definition for this word.

Redundundant ::)

Len

Not in my wildest dreams did I think the original post would take off...just hoping against hope I guess.

But thank you, not for what I did or why I did it, but for answering the call of the Wild Busnut!  It was meant like the Bugle of an Elk...into the hinterlands of BusLand...a call for you who were, perhaps on the edge of joing in, to join in with the rest of us.

Let's, collectively, hope the call will be heard by more great contributors like the offerings I just read.

That being said,  I'll retire back to my normal (?) posture and learn and enjoy.

NCbob

    Welcome to all the new posters. My feelings are that if you own or plan to own a bus, you are a bus nut. This group has a tremendous amount of diversity including age, lifestlyes, incomes, abilities, retired, working, some are able to keep our buses at our homes, some must store them, etc. Some people choose to buy a coach that is already converted (new or used), nothing wrong with that. They get to actually use their coaches sooner and if purchased used, probably cheaper than doing your own. Some of us want to "roll our own" which is also OK. I am sure with a group this large you will probably find a few who think every busnut MUST build their own, but that group is a minority.  
  Once again welcome and do not be afraid to post. After all the years I have been doing this, I still get slammed once in a while, But I just ignore it and keep coming back  Jack

I brought this same issue up a year or so ago after MAK had published data in the magazine showing the number of users vs the number of those who posted.  Only about 20% ever post.  The reasons were the same as now.  They feel a lack of knowledge which leads to intimidation.  When I started lurking on the bus boards in 1999 I knew absolutely nothing about RV's and motorhomes, much less buses.  I just got a hankering for an RV and stumbled onto these BB's, and darn, like some kind of STD, I got me a bus.  FWIW, I spent much less $$$ on my coach than I would have for a stick and staple motorhome.

After reading and asking lots of questions I bought a bus and "invented my new wheel".  I still ask lots of questions.  However, with 7 years worth of messing with my toy I now give lots of "here's what I did" answers.  Even for those of you who bought your own conversion, surely through your experiences of ownership you should have some contibution to a question from time to time just because of raw experience. 

I think of the boards as my moring coffee shop visit.  It's a social experience, too you know, a place where I come to visit my cyber bus friends.   I sure would miss everyone if the BB's folded up and died.

Don't be afraid to chime in with a visit.

David

Quote from: Moof on July 04, 2006, 06:31:20 PM
Bob,

I really enjoy reading this board.  Since I have never built a bus I like leaving the talking to those who know what is going on.  My Grandad always told me it is better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you are a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.

It is the attitude that you expressed in this post that make this a friendly board to be a part of.   

So, until later, I'll sit in the back of the bus and watch.

Let's face it, we have to be part fool to bring one of these things in the driveway in the first place :D  but were also part wise for learing from each other.  Typing isn't opening your mouth.  What kinda fool would not know because they didn't ask?

And remember, there is one in every crowd!  Be glad when you see him and welcome him because if you don't see him, that means its your turn ;D

Your Fools May Vary :) ;)

I learned most everything I know about busses (about 2% of what I need to know) from the various boards but MAK in particular.

I have a small glass engraving business and learned everything I know about that from internet boards and caring, sharing people.

Don't know how we ever made it before the internet.

Len

Members New and Old,

I LOVE BUSSES!  New, Old, Not Converted, Converted, Yourself, Or Not........

I get ideas from all who post. I can't get enough!     OK......I'm Addicted!

I also love helping Folks out, Even if I don't know, I'll try!   

FRIENDS------Lot's of Friends Here...... Who I can relate to.   Even my good personal friends don't know me like you guy's!

DON'T BE AFRAID TO POST!!!!   I'll Listen...

Nick Badame-

Because of the boards, I have met some great friends in the area thru 2000+ miles away.

Quote from: NewbeeMC9 on July 05, 2006, 04:19:19 PM
And remember, there is one in every crowd! Be glad when you see him and welcome him because if you don't see him, that means its your turn ;D

Soooooo, NewbeeMC9, I now know why you are so helpful to me.


;D

Quote from: Brill-o on July 05, 2006, 10:20:09 AM
Yes. I'd like to do more of a period interior look, but still keep some modern conveniences for safety and reliability.

Hey Brill-o, that is my plan too. When I got my scenicruiser, lots of people told me I had made a poor choice in shells due to age, not made any more, bla, bla, bla. All I know is that I love the look of it & that is all that matters for me.

I think your Brill is so cool! I wish I could offer more assistance as I would love to take part in returning her to glory.

The greatest thing about the boards is all the variety!

I have been recieving the BC Mag from the first year it was published. I am finishing my third and last comversion. Have owned conversions, traveled and and lived in them for 30 years. Driver charters for 8 years and do most of my own repalirs. Why am I telling you all this?.. The reason I don't use this link much, even though I do read it @ day is that when in the past I have tried to put my two cents in about some repair or quote out of a manual (which I own many) I have been shamed, balled out, belittled and actually deleated. There are many good things about this board but there is a lot of ******also. I do enjoy this board but as far as voicying my experience or that of my employee who has spent 50 years in the bus business I am very hesistance from past treatment.. ;D

BJ,

I belive your referring to the old MAK Board. There are Moderators watching now, and almost all the time too. We wont let that stuff happen anymore.

Any knolagable answer to any post will not be Shamed around here anymore. We moderators will put it out to trash!!!

Truth is, your answer, Right or Wrong is a valuable asset to the person asking the question....

From all answers, the asker now has a tool to weigh in and develop his own path to take!

With that said, All slander and bad mouthing will not be tollorated! We will DELETE..

With Reguards-
Nick Badame

I can't imagine continuing my conversion efforts without the insights found on this board. I have read comments both pro and con on several issues and appreciate all viewpoints. I have saved thousands of dollars by reading ALL comments on topics of interest.

I also look forward to hearing from brand new "nuts" as I can relate to the anxiety and frustrations as you begin this journey. I also like reading comments from the experts who's bloody knuckles and lighter wallets help me to stay focused.

I must say that I have recently enjoyed the travel comments and the weekly jokes. Often we take ourselves too seriously and that can't be good long term. Reading posts, watching the chats and eventually meeting folks face to face has really made the ability to handle this crazy disease so much easier.

No matter your station, no matter the condition of your ride, and no matter you different viewpoint, I for one look forward each day to reading posts and learning new things. Please keep it going!

Grant 8)

I was one of those that would read the posts but never post myself. My inability to spell was a cause of great intimidation. I found ways around it though. I started posting because I felt that everyone was made to feel welcome and the board was well supervised. Once I started to post and found out how easy and rewarding it was, it is no big deal now. I have never met anyone here in person, but I feel as though all are genuine, helpful and kind. We all have a common bond, and that makes for a good foundation for what this place has become, a place to share our interest, knowledge, and to build friendships. I thank you all.

Over the years, through our Bussin' rallies, FMCA chapters we belong to, busnuts that have stopped by our place, and our travels, we have had the pleasure to personally meet huindreds of busnts. I can tell you that 99.9% are very down to earth, genuine peolpe that will do anything possible to help you. The only other group we have found like this is the people we meet at the Bluegrass Music Festivals. In any group there will always be a few that are not quite as nice as the rest, but, Hey, it takes a couple a$$hole to make us appreciate all the nice people.  LOL  Jack

Well, it appears that you have successfully resolved your spelling problems. Congratulations.

I also was formerly intimidated by my lack of spelling skills, due primarily to my lack of formal education. One room schoolhouses offered very little in the way of English language training. LOL That is the reason that I will not post any message without running it thru a spell check.

Richard

Quote from: Barn Owl on July 05, 2006, 10:38:23 PM
I was one of those that would read the posts but never post myself. My inability to spell was a cause of great intimidation. I found ways around it though. I started posting because I felt that everyone was made to feel welcome and the board was well supervised. Once I started to post and found out how easy and rewarding it was, it is no big deal now. I have never met anyone here in person, but I feel as though all are genuine, helpful and kind. We all have a common bond, and that makes for a good foundation for what this place has become, a place to share our interest, knowledge, and to build friendships. I thank you all.

My spill chick done work worth a dam.

Len

I can recommend a couple of others if you like! LOL
Richard

Quote from: Len Silva on July 06, 2006, 08:19:15 AM
My spill chick done work worth a dam.

Len

Ok since I have one of the biggest mouths on the board I'll chime in (you'd expect it from a big mouth wouldn't you?) first off I fell over laffing at some of the responses! Ok then I saw a quote I know was meant for me because I'd heard it so many times myself !
"My Grandad always told me it is better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you are a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt."
( I actually heard it in his own voice, as I read it aloud!)
and then it made me remember another quote from his truely better half my grandmother who'd always tell my younger cousins (I think only when I was around !)
"No body is completely useless, They can always be used as a bad example !"
( I was always tempted, but never brave enough to ask if she was refering to me!!! I think she was!)
Now as everyone knows I am not afraid to remove all doubt as I usually do! And I always try to be helpful as a bad example when & where ever I can! Now on the issue of "must build his own" I don't even own a conversion (never have and maybe never will!) But that does not make me (or anyone else less of a nut ! (Opps I meant busnut!) But I love working on buses, and I have done so for a while now, and my father and I own a small charter bus company (that should certify us as nuts!) Anyway I'm by far no expert but I always try to lend my 1st hand experience (the second one is still too sore "Busted Knuckle") too any and all in need if I have any or I'm around to do so! I'm not always here to post (just look for the times when the board is quiet) as I still run up and down the hwys! (just got back from a 4 day, 1 night trip and still wore out from it! 3 bus loads of people from Dyersburg, TN to Lubbock, TX by way of Dallas for a wedding and back whoo what a trip ! Although with the exception of the unit I was driving blowing a steer tire at 70 mph, was a good trip!)
Now as far as Brill-o goes I never even new how cool a Brill was until his first post, but I read each and every one as soon as I can! (and I usually try to post even though I have no useable info on a Brill to offer him, but he's a nut, just the same the same the rest of us! (opps I meant busnut again)
I sometimes get a little carried away posting little jabs and goofy things, but I always try to offer any help I can on any subects I know about (even as few as that is !) So to all ya'll lurkers get on those keyboards and post something once in a while just to remind those of us who do it too much there are others out there! Oh boy did I just type all that ? Opps gotta go! Still ain't caught up on company biz yet, after all the boards more important than that ain't it? BK  ;D

Quote from: DrivingMissLazy on July 06, 2006, 08:20:19 AM
I can recommend a couple of others if you like! LOL
Richard

Quote from: Len Silva on July 06, 2006, 08:19:15 AM
My spill chick done work worth a dam.
Len

Richard try using it on the word bus plural I've always known it too  be buses (just never corrected you until you offered up some spell checking!) LOL ! Just joking ! Don't kick me off the board! BK  ;D

QuoteAnd I skip some of the direct queries about certain coaches because I have zero ideas or input. Heck, sometimes I can't even figure out what's being discussed. Many here are so used to the parts names or abbreviations, that they fire off the questions and blokes like me see it as all Greek.

Exact same reason why I don't respond to questions about Brills! :D

Seriously, I'm the perfect example of someone who has and will probably continue to stick his/her foot in his/her mouth.  . or her foot in his mouth ???. . .whatever the case may be!  I figure that we all know that none of us are perfect. . .well, there are a few here that are pretty darn close.  . but we all have something to learn from each other.  I think I learn more when I participate than when I sit on the sidelines. . . it seems that way anyway :-\. . . sometimes I learn that I can embarrass myself :-[, but sometimes I just find out that someone knows a better way.  

As a girl, (not grown up enough to be a woman yet ;)), it's very hard for me to put myself out there, because I know you guys have so much more knowledge on all things mechanical than I do, but I just do it figuring that I've got to learn this stuff one way or the other, and if I wear big sunglasses at any bus gathering, no one will recognize me anyway!   ;D

Personally, I wish everyone would post more often, ask more questions, give more answers, because I'd like to learn as much as possible before we get so far along on our bus that we have to back down and redo something because we've learned there is a better way!  Christy Hicks

Y'know, Bryce, we can always expect the unexpected from you and, as alway, it's refreshing. :)

Anyone who's been on this board for any length of time knows, that despite of your size and bleeding knuckles, you're just a big warm fuzzy!  ;)

If anyone deserves the title of "BusNut", m'friend you've earned it the hard way. :-*  Washing and cleaning, picking up after slobs, and 'keepin' 'em rolling' is as close to shoveling the ashes out of Hell than I could possibly imagine.

Keep your great sense of humor and your love of buses and Busnuts 'cause there's a place for you.  (But I'm not gonna tell you where!)

Bob

Keep your great sense of humor and your love of buses and Busnuts 'cause there's a place for you.  (But I'm not gonna tell you where!)
Bob

Hey Bob, guess what I never get lost because someone's always tell'n me where to go! LOL!  And shucks I was just a plain ol' nut long before I became a busnut! LOL BK ;D

busses, buses

The ieSpell check that I use shows both as being correct spelling. Therefore a spelling error does not show up.

Just as a check I  tried the Google spell check and it shows only buses as being correct.  So I do not know what is really correct.

I do not know how to go back and correct the ieSpell check if it is actually wrong and there is a mistake in it. But first I have to find out if both spellings are correct. Anyone have a dictionary?
Richard

Quote from: Busted Knuckle on July 06, 2006, 04:32:13 PM

Quote from: DrivingMissLazy on July 06, 2006, 08:20:19 AM
I can recommend a couple of others if you like! LOL
Richard

Quote from: Len Silva on July 06, 2006, 08:19:15 AM
My spill chick done work worth a dam.
Len

b

Richard try using it on the word bus plural I've always known it too  be buses (just never corrected you until you offered up some spell checking!) LOL ! Just joking ! Don't kick me off the board! BK  ;D

:) ;) :D Knuckle's TN Bus Bash is Oct 26 thru 31  ;D :o 8)

Bk and Christie—

No worries!

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if both of you knew more about this coach than I. :)

I truly know next to nothing about it, but learn more every hour I spend on her.  ;)

I'm open to any and all advice from everyone here.

This is a major learning experience! :o

Cheers..

I have been lurking around for more years than I want to count. I do not post because while I may actually know of an answer I have no hands on experience. While I am mechanically competent I claim no expertise in engine repair. I therefore do not post because I would rather leave the bandwith for someone who has the experience and training to give proper advise. I read all post and find it very irritating when the reply is not an answer to the query. Frequently opinions are presented as gospel and causes all kinds of commotion. I really do noy wish to add to that confusion.

Quote from: David Anderson on July 05, 2006, 02:46:10 PM
I brought this same issue up a year or so ago after MAK had published data in the magazine showing the number of users vs the number of those who posted.  Only about 20% ever post.  The reasons were the same as now.  They feel a lack of knowledge which leads to intimidation.  When I started lurking on the bus boards in 1999 I knew absolutely nothing about RV's and motorhomes, much less buses.  I just got a hankering for an RV and stumbled onto these BB's, and darn, like some kind of STD, I got me a bus.  FWIW, I spent much less $$$ on my coach than I would have for a stick and staple motorhome.

David:  What kind of bus do you own???

Jimmy