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Title: battery temperature sensor
Post by: junkman42 on April 21, 2009, 04:02:23 PM
Does anyone have a chart that would give the resistance of the battery temperature probe for a freedom25 inverter/charger?  I  would be interested in the resistance at 80 and 90 degrees F.  Also is it necessary to connect it to the positive post.  Thanks, john
Title: Re: battery temperature sensor
Post by: gumpy on April 21, 2009, 04:23:09 PM
Sorry, can't help for that model, but the one for the Trace SW4024 is just a pad that is placed against the batteries (between two of them). The other end has a phone jack type plug and plugs into the inverter port. Does not connect to anything other than the inverter.

craig

Title: Re: battery temperature sensor
Post by: JackConrad on April 21, 2009, 04:25:53 PM
Quote from: junkman42 on April 21, 2009, 04:02:23 PM
Does anyone have a chart that would give the resistance of the battery temperature probe for a freedom25 inverter/charger?  I  would be interested in the resistance at 80 and 90 degrees F.  Also is it necessary to connect it to the positive post.  Thanks, john

Could the resistance be measured at the connector on the end of the probe cable that connects to the inverter?  It is supposed to be in the mid 80s tomorrow, I might be able to measure the resistance.  Jack
Title: Re: battery temperature sensor
Post by: Len Silva on April 21, 2009, 04:27:49 PM
I'm guessing that it's not resistance at all but rather a thermocouple which actually produces a very small voltage.
Title: Re: battery temperature sensor
Post by: gumpy on April 21, 2009, 04:28:53 PM
Most likely, there is a thermister in the sensor. The resistance varies due to temperature, and it's not linear. In other words, the math to convert the resistance to temperature is not pretty.


Title: Re: battery temperature sensor
Post by: Tim Strommen on April 21, 2009, 05:15:06 PM
Quote from: junkman42 on April 21, 2009, 04:02:23 PM
Does anyone have a chart that would give the resistance of the battery temperature probe for a freedom25 inverter/charger?  I  would be interested in the resistance at 80 and 90 degrees F.  Also is it necessary to connect it to the positive post.  Thanks, john

Out of general curiosity, why are you looking for this?  Are you trying to calibrate your existing inverter, or are you attempting to use this sensor without the inverter?

-Tim
Title: Re: battery temperature sensor
Post by: junkman42 on April 21, 2009, 06:20:24 PM
Tim, I have just replaced all of My house batterys and the connecting cables and added individual circuit breakers for each battery.  I would like to check the temp sensor to see if it is operating properly.  I can not find the information in the manual.  And jack that would be absolutely great as the temp should be about the same here tommorrow.  If you could check the resistance of Your sensor I will post what Mine reads tomorrow.  I assume the sensor is a thermistor but I am not certain of that.  I do not have any schematic info so I will poke around and if You would like  I will post My results as early as possible. Thanks,John
Title: Re: battery temperature sensor
Post by: RTS/Daytona on April 21, 2009, 06:35:30 PM
My Guess - they use this very simple stable SOLID STATE temp device  ( LM34 )  10mv per degree F

see--> http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/Courses/ee476/labs/s2004/LM34.PDF
Title: Re: battery temperature sensor
Post by: Jerry W Campbell on April 21, 2009, 07:01:31 PM

"Also is it necessary to connect it to the positive post"

I believe the Battery temperature sensor goes on or close to the Negative post.
Jerry
Title: Re: battery temperature sensor
Post by: pvcces on April 21, 2009, 07:28:54 PM
John, I bought an aftermarket unit that was said to be a 100,000 ohm thermister. I checked it, and got a resistance reading in that neighborhood. I bought it to use with a C40 controller and it has worked fine, AFAIK.

The resistance drops as the temperature rises.

I was furnished a graph that was supposed to be an aproximate of its curve. At 25 degrees celsius, the resistance is given as 100,000. The drawing is not detailed enough to use it the way that you want to. The paperwork says that it is a direct replacement for the Xantrex BTS, used with Xantrex products.

Good luck.

Tom Caffrey
Title: Re: battery temperature sensor
Post by: RTS/Daytona on April 22, 2009, 05:25:01 AM
this may help - especially the first one

http://altenergy.blog-city.com/temperature_sensor_for_trace__xantrex_solar_charge_controlle.htm

http://catalog.selcoproducts.com/viewitems/ermistors-surface-mount-chip-thermistors-sm-seri-2/sm-series-surface-mount-chip-thermistors-sm-series

http://www.greystoneenergy.com/English/products/temperature/TT010.pdf

http://www.sensorsci.com/immersion.htm

http://www.eci.siemens.com/marketplaces/servlet/CoeeSiemensCategoryDisplay?sdc_p=c128fi1000000000003lm34o1000000000003ps2uz2&sdc_sid=25415165266&sdc_rh=&categoryList=273083%2C273378%2C273379%2C273426&categoryId=273431&sdc_bcpath=&sdc_m4r=