Okay, after much feeling sorry for myself, vacillation that a jellyfish would be proud of and some pretty sleepless nights (at times), the light finally came on and I know what I need to do. The below outlined plan might take some time to pull off, and that is perfectly okay with me, but I have to get some kind of ball rolling to keep forward motion on this. So, first things first.
I need to fix the bus!.
Given the current circumstances (the bus is stuck in El Paso and I am in Southern Oregon), that is going to be a major challenge BUT it can be done, and this is my plan.
1.) I have asked Dallas to compile a list of what parts he THINKS I will need to fix the bus RIGHT (hard to do with accuracy since he hasn't seen the bus, but he's pretty smart and I am sure he can come close with his educated guess). I have also asked him to give me a dollar figure as to what it will cost me to get him and his traveling tool shed to come to El Paso and fix the bus (with my help of course) beyond the food and cold ones (which I wouldn't expect any self respecting bus nut to fore go unless they wanted to).
2.) I need to find someplace close to El Paso (since I can't drive her more than a few miles without it overheating) that I can take the bus to and have power so I can stay in the bus. That is where this network comes in. Does anyone know anyone in El Paso or the surrounding areas close to El Paso (not Mexico, sorry, I need to stay alive through this exercise or my wife will kill me) that would allow two buses to park and work and even provide an extension cord for power? I think even Las Cruces would be a stretch so it pretty much has to be El Paso or not too far from El Paso. I know this will be a challenge, but it is essential to fixing the bus and without it, I think this project will never get lift off.
3.) Once Dallas has "the list", could all of you that volunteered your parts and whatever else you offered (shipping if the offer still stands, etc.) please contact me and let me know what you have (from the list) and how much you want for it? That way, once I have all of the parts (in hand or at least promised) I will have the best idea of whether I can pull this off. Please keep in mind I do not know what the heck I am doing and I definitely don't know a torus drive from a pressure regulator (okay, maybe I do know that but you get the idea), so be mindful of that when you start talking about torque settings and hose routing.
4.) If you are the praying type, continue to do that for us and this project. We will most definitely need it.
5.) Stay tuned for what is sure to be a heck of a lot more entertainment!
Sound good? I think so, and for the first time during this whole adventure, I have peace.
God Bless,
Doug
That's the spirit. Just remember my previous offer to stop in El Paso sometime around mid-March still applies. We'll be back in that general area sometime ...... probably around the end of April. Our plans are firmly cast in Jello so its hard to be more precise than that. I'm not that good of a mechanic but I've got a really good toolbox and a comfortable lawnchair so I can supervise a good mechanic. ;D ::) Seriously, I've got a pretty decent set of tools and a pair of coveralls so, if there's something we can do on the way by, don't be afraid to ask. The worst that can happen is I'll say "no".
Having some sort of a plan is a good place to start ! Ive got no parts or expertise to share, but praying we can do ! We'll stay tuned !
pretty sure if you stay on craigslist you will find the fan hub stuff you need. you'll probably have to buy the whole engine...but that may turn out to be helpful for other little bits...My understanding of the fan hub is that it is controlled with oil pressure and that the oil pressure is modulated by coolant temperature.
I have never seen the end of the engine on your bus is the main hub still there, just sans fan?
Quote from: zubzub on February 23, 2009, 08:59:33 AM
pretty sure if you stay on craigslist you will find the fan hub stuff you need. you'll probably have to buy the whole engine...but that may turn out to be helpful for other little bits...My understanding of the fan hub is that it is controlled with oil pressure and that the oil pressure is modulated by coolant temperature.
I have never seen the end of the engine on your bus is the main hub still there, just sans fan?
Zub,
The Torus is still there, but as far as I could tell when the engine was hot, it never engaged and tried to turn. My observations were not exactly scientific, but it *appeared* the torus drive was not turning when it should have been. So are you saying that even if I get the fan shroud, fan and new torus drive on it may still not work due to some other component that is failed?
Doug
I wouldn't worry too much Doug, Dallas will have a very good list.
Quote from: busshawg on February 23, 2009, 10:09:38 AM
I wouldn't worry too much Doug, Dallas will have a very good list.
Good point. Thanks Grant.
and by the way, I think that's one hec of a plan. Given some time things have a way.
I'm sure Dallas will work all the torus stuff out...I was just wondering exactly what you have/need. The thing that controls the torus is a moving part (like a rad thermostat) so there is a chance it jammed in a closed position. The good news is you can bypass the thermo aspect of this with a little cleverness and run the torus full on. I'll be talking to my bus/scrap guy in a the next week or so and I know he has a 4905? in the yard that he is scrapping out so just wanted to know what you need.
Hey Doug ,we'll be keepin an eye peeled too for any parts or possibly a donor engine for the ol' gal,you'll be up and screaming your new battle cry before ya know it!
Doug, Now that's a true Bus Nuts Attitude!.....Git 'er done!
I wish I could do more than pray, but that's about it from this end.
As a born and raised in Oregon guy, I'm a pullin for ya!
~Paul~
Doug look at the other thread
Don
Quote from: Dreamscape on February 23, 2009, 11:13:47 AM
Doug, Now that's a true Bus Nuts Attitude!.....Git 'er done!
I wish I could do more than pray, but that's about it from this end.
As a born and raised in Oregon guy, I'm a pullin for ya!
~Paul~
You kidding man. Prayer is THE tool we need to make this all come together. Yes, we need knowledge and manpower and money, but all of that comes by God's hand. Keep praying for us Brother! It is working.
Doug
For the fan, Isn't there something about making a coupling instead of the torus for that fan. I don't recall the details but i remember it being pretty slick, it is worth a search :)
Hi All My 4106 8V71 has a solid fan drive, no torus. I have had it apart to reseal, through shaft plugs on where torus did. 06 Bill
Quote from: Dreamscape on February 23, 2009, 11:13:47 AM
Doug, Now that's a true Bus Nuts Attitude!.....Git 'er done!
I wish I could do more than pray, but that's about it from this end.
As a born and raised in Oregon guy, I'm a pullin for ya!
~Paul~
Thanks Paul. We need all the good thoughts we can get for this one. Gonna be a multi-pronged assault with a lot of moving parts but it will get done.
Doug
Man, I sure wish this was going on <500 miles from my home, rather than 2000+. I would love to play mechanic assistant to a bunch of guys that really know old GMCs. Talk about a learning experience. I'd even supply the cold ones!
Quote from: WEC4104 on February 24, 2009, 07:13:58 AM
Man, I sure wish this was going on <500 miles from my home, rather than 2000+. I would love to play mechanic assistant to a bunch of guys that really know old GMCs. Talk about a learning experience. I'd even supply the cold ones!
Im with you on that ! We could turn it into a rally, sort of like the old barn raising thing where everyone got together to get a big job done ! And Id be willing to drink the cold ones you brought ! That much I know Im capable of !
Quote from: travelingfools on February 24, 2009, 07:43:34 AM
Quote from: WEC4104 on February 24, 2009, 07:13:58 AM
Man, I sure wish this was going on <500 miles from my home, rather than 2000+. I would love to play mechanic assistant to a bunch of guys that really know old GMCs. Talk about a learning experience. I'd even supply the cold ones!
Im with you on that ! We could turn it into a rally, sort of like the old barn raising thing where everyone got together to get a big job done ! And Id be willing to drink the cold ones you brought ! That much I know Im capable of !
Now that sounds like fun!
The key here is getting all the pieces and parts in one location,thus making it easy for those that are gonna twirl the wrench's to only have to make one trip instead of multiple ones.Maybe those folks that have the parts can co-ordinate with with fellow bus nuts that are possibly headed that way or would like to head out this way bring the parts with them ,that would be fantastic.we are currently looking for a location close to the El Paso area to perform the delicate and necessary repairs to get these great folks on there way .
Being a veteran myself I understand all to well the need for support for these folks.thanks to all helping out and God Bless.
Van&Cheryl
My offer of transport from central Florida to El Paso stands but the clock is ticking. We plan to leave Winter Haven a week from this Thursday. We'll pass through El Paso sometime in mid-March. Depending on how this wrenching rally comes together, we might make a detour on our trip north just in order to participate.
Quote from: bobofthenorth on February 24, 2009, 09:18:56 AM
My offer of transport from central Florida to El Paso stands but the clock is ticking. We plan to leave Winter Haven a week from this Thursday. We'll pass through El Paso sometime in mid-March. Depending on how this wrenching rally comes together, we might make a detour on our trip north just in order to participate.
Bob,
If nothing is lined up by then (as far as parts) I may ask you to stop by and check on the bus (and maybe put some rat killer in spots). No idea where we may be pulling in parts from, so I don't about the timing of your visit and carrying parts. Does this sound okay with you?
Doug
Quote from: van on February 24, 2009, 08:11:16 AM
The key here is getting all the pieces and parts in one location,thus making it easy for those that are gonna twirl the wrench's to only have to make one trip instead of multiple ones.Maybe those folks that have the parts can co-ordinate with with fellow bus nuts that are possibly headed that way or would like to head out this way bring the parts with them ,that would be fantastic.we are currently looking for a location close to the El Paso area to perform the delicate and necessary repairs to get these great folks on there way .
Being a veteran myself I understand all to well the need for support for these folks.thanks to all helping out and God Bless.
Van&Cheryl
Thank you Van. You are a good man and a good friend.
Quote from: BigDougInOregon on February 24, 2009, 09:36:11 AM
I may ask you to stop by and check on the bus (and maybe put some rat killer in spots). No idea where we may be pulling in parts from, so I don't about the timing of your visit and carrying parts. Does this sound okay with you?
Just how do you propose to stop me from doing this anyway? No prob. ;D
Maybe Mel & I will get drunk in Mexico and buy you a whole 'nuther bus. On second thought, there's probably no "maybe" about the first part so how much do you want to spend?
Okay I am going to play devils advocate. The generosity of the people on this board is as always, amazing. BUT, before you throw time/money/parts/personnel at this bus it still needs something else. It needs a thorough inspection.
It would be a shame to have very talented people sacrifice their time and money to repair the engine and find out there is another show stopping problem with the bus. I am aware of the financial aspects of dealing with this problem. If I toasted an engine, my bus would make a great planter, right where it sat.
If possible , I think you might want to consider getting Dallas ( or someone else) there to look at the bus with a hard eye. Our buses become more than inanimate objects. They become the physical manifestation of our hopes and dreams. Could your dream survive the blow if you repaired the engine and then found out another major item had to be serviced?
Your dream is still possible. Help is readily available, just make the best use of it.
Slipping back into the shadows..........
Frank
Quote from: Slow Rider on February 24, 2009, 01:06:03 PM
Okay I am going to play devils advocate. The generosity of the people on this board is as always, amazing. BUT, before you throw time/money/parts/personnel at this bus it still needs something else. It needs a thorough inspection.
It would be a shame to have very talented people sacrifice their time and money to repair the engine and find out there is another show stopping problem with the bus. I am aware of the financial aspects of dealing with this problem. If I toasted an engine, my bus would make a great planter, right where it sat.
If possible , I think you might want to consider getting Dallas ( or someone else) there to look at the bus with a hard eye. Our buses become more than inanimate objects. They become the physical manifestation of our hopes and dreams. Could your dream survive the blow if you repaired the engine and then found out another major item had to be serviced?
Your dream is still possible. Help is readily available, just make the best use of it.
Slipping back into the shadows..........
Frank
Frank,
You make a great point but I don't know how to get this done. Dallas is 700 miles from the bus so the logistics of getting him there to look at the bus and then back and another round trip for the repairs seems unlikely, but I don't want to speak for him. Heck, come to think of it, we don't have the plan in place yet to get Dallas there for the repairs at all. That all has to be worked out. I will concede your point though, I just don't know what to say to it that would sound intelligent.
Doug
Quote from: bobofthenorth on February 24, 2009, 12:51:11 PM
Quote from: BigDougInOregon on February 24, 2009, 09:36:11 AM
I may ask you to stop by and check on the bus (and maybe put some rat killer in spots). No idea where we may be pulling in parts from, so I don't about the timing of your visit and carrying parts. Does this sound okay with you?
Maybe Mel & I will get drunk in Mexico and buy you a whole 'nuther bus.
Was kind of hoping you would say that.....Have always wanted a new bus! Thanks! You are a lot more generous than I was told or led to believe. I am partial to earth tones for the interior but since you and Mel are buying, any 'ol color scheme will work.
Well, i am not a prayin man and I only Have MCI parts but I will certainly pitch in for fuel - now that my paypal is sorted out.
Update -
Cooling System - Emailed Ted Campbell (Coach Maintenance Co.) and he has the shroud and fan for the 4106 for $200, so that part of the problem is solved. He is on I5 about 40 miles north of Sacramento, and if all goes well, I will try to pick those parts up from him directly rather than ship them. So if we can get a working Torus assembly, we may have the major components of the cooling system handled. Chris (GMBusGuy) has the Torus assembly that he has graciously donated (just need to get it in my hands or in the hands of someone that will be hands on for fixing the bus, namely Dallas or Don)
Heads - Don Fairchild is getting a set of heads from Clifford (luvrbus) that he will bring to El Paso when he comes (feel free to interject if I am mistaken here Don). It is worth noting that we DO NOT know whether these are needed, and like Bus Warrior and Slow Rider pointed out to me, there could be many other things wrong with the bus but we just don't know without an expert getting eyes on. Since we don't have that, I think it wise (and obviously Don does as well) to assume for the worst. With any luck, I might have just blown the head gasket(s) and not a head.
Head Gaskets - Dallas Farnworth has the head gasket(s)(not sure if you have both or only one still). Do you still need a set of head gaskets Dallas? If so, let me know what they cost. I am trying to gather how much this will cost and I need to know how much one of those kits will cost.
Blower seal kit Dallas Farnworth has the blower seal kit (is that what it is called?)
Here is what I *think* I still need for the cooling system:
1.) New main radiator hoses (the ones on there now are bad, frayed and the kind that have steel coils in them). I picked up (by osmosis) that those are not the kind that should be on this bus.
There could be many other things I don't know about that go along with the heads, gaskets, blower, etc. but I am not knowledgeable enough to know what the heck I am talking about, so any of you that feels like it can chime in anytime. I am just trying to keep this all together and organized in print so I can refer to it. Gotta have a plan and stick to it.
Doug
I have one head gasket set... need another.
I have a blower drive seal kit.
I may or may not have a set of bearings, it depends on what is in there now.
I have miscellaneous clamps, connectors, wire, fittings, goo, glue and grease.
I probably have a bunch of other parts that will be needed too.
What we will need is:
Oil pan gasket most likely... If we have to drain the oil, we might as well check the bearings.
Oil filter.... probably a canister type, Napa # 1133? I think. I may have one.
A few feet of green stripe radiator hose of various sizes, hopefully we can get the hoses routed back where they belong.
Coolant. Lot's and lots and lots.
Oil... Lot's of lots of Lot's.
power steering fluid, (ATF? 10w-40?)
Fuel to and from my place to El Paso... (I'll be bringing my bus, so I can bring all my tools and have a place to sleep and eat).
A few days of good weather!
Now, if anyone that is going to meet us there has got a portable cherry picker, it would certainly help.... that rear head is a bugger to remove by hand!
Any ideas?
Dallas
I'm sure someone closer has a cherry picker. But if not mine is available if needed! I have no clue how we can get it out there and back!
Other than that I will be offering any moral support I can! ;D BK ;D
Quote from: Dallas on February 25, 2009, 07:14:24 PM
I have one head gasket set... need another.
I have a blower drive seal kit.
I may or may not have a set of bearings, it depends on what is in there now.
I have miscellaneous clamps, connectors, wire, fittings, goo, glue and grease.
I probably have a bunch of other parts that will be needed too.
What we will need is:
Oil pan gasket most likely... If we have to drain the oil, we might as well check the bearings.
Oil filter.... probably a canister type, Napa # 1133? I think. I may have one.
A few feet of green stripe radiator hose of various sizes, hopefully we can get the hoses routed back where they belong.
Coolant. Lot's and lots and lots.
Oil... Lot's of lots of Lot's.
power steering fluid, (ATF? 10w-40?)
Fuel to and from my place to El Paso... (I'll be bringing my bus, so I can bring all my tools and have a place to sleep and eat).
A few days of good weather!
Now, if anyone that is going to meet us there has got a portable cherry picker, it would certainly help.... that rear head is a bugger to remove by hand!
Any ideas?
Dallas
Okay, now we are getting somewhere. Thank you Dallas. I used GasBuddy.com and put in your location and a round trip from Franklin,TX to El Paso, TX came up as about $370.00 (I put 8 MPG for both city and highway to be safe). Does that sound right to you?
To help me try to wrap my mind around how much all of the oil, miscellaneous parts and such will cost, can you give me an idea what Delo 100 costs and how much will be needed. Like I told you when I was in El Paso, I couldn't find any place that even knew what Delo 100 was, so this may prove interesting to find. Also, best guess as to how much the head gaskets will run as well as anything else that I will need to purchase? I am trying to get an idea of exactly what I know I will need to come up with ($ wise) prior to the end of April.
My off the cuff amount I threw out to myself when I looked at the fan shroud/fan cost from Ted, shipping for the Torus that Chris has, fuel for you, fuel for me, cost for me to get to El Paso (fuel, motel, food), miscellaneous oil, rad fluid (or maybe just water is all we will refill with) and miscellaneous parts was $1000.00. That seems pretty cheap (if I actually had $1000.00), and it is. I am pretty resourceful and I truly believe that this is meant to be, so the money will come ( I have seriously cute kids that could command a high price on the open market....sure, I will miss them terribly, but we can make more. lol. :D). I just need to have a figure in my head to work towards.
On another note, my tentative plan is to drive my daughters car back to El Paso (passing through Cali and picking up the fan/shroud from Ted in Williams, Ca) and help with all of the repairs. Once the repairs are complete, I will either pull the car back to El Paso, or better yet, Van has offered to go with me to El Paso (so I would pick him up in Vegas and we would drive to El Paso together) so he could drive the car back to Vegas. My daughter is stationed at Nellis AFB and she would love to get her car back to her for free (free? Hmm, not exactly but to her it would be FREE!), so this kills a few birds with one stone.
In a perfect world, this will all come together and I will get to bring the bus back to Oregon, passing through Bakersfield and letting Don get another look at the bus, then on to Fresno and seeing RJ and looking at those bunks (and possible even taking them off his hands) and finally passing back through Williams, Ca and maybe getting to see Ted and having him look the old girl over.
Lets pray for perfection!
Thoughts or ideas welcome.
Doug
WHen I went to pick up my bus i tried not to pay attention to the all little expenses as they were adding up to fast (denial is part of the addiction). As you already know you can't have too much money....but you can't have too many fire extinguishers either, or tools. Must haves for me are IR gun, big sockets and impact driver, small generator and compressor to run air tools when the bus ain't running (my generator also charged the bats all the way home as the bus's charging system was not working). I think an extra $1000 will ultimately save you money as you won't have to make the trip twice (learnt that the hard way).
I have worked in renovation since I was a teenager and with all the years it has never surprised me when things went over budget...nature of the beast, and you are renovating the beast.
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( I have seriously cute kids that could command a high price on the open market....sure, I will miss them terribly, but we can make more. lol. :D). I just need to have a figure in my head to work towards.
Doug
Doug, when I need money I sell Dallas for $50 and an hour later when they can't take it any more and bring him back I charge them $100 for returning him.
Doug, oil cost about 12 bucks a gal there is every major oil company wholesalers in El Paso known to man.Don't worry about Delo 100 there are different brands of oil that will work.Antifreeze can be purchased from the same places around 10 bucks a gal. I know there is a Chevron dist off exit 32 not far from Stewart and Stevenson been there before. good luck
Quote from: bubbaqgal on February 26, 2009, 06:52:25 AM
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( I have seriously cute kids that could command a high price on the open market....sure, I will miss them terribly, but we can make more. lol. :D). I just need to have a figure in my head to work towards.
Doug
Doug, when I need money I sell Dallas for $50 and an hour later when they can't take it any more and bring him back I charge them $100 for returning him.
Hmmm (sound of wheels turning).....
Quote from: zubzub on February 26, 2009, 06:36:16 AM
WHen I went to pick up my bus i tried not to pay attention to the all little expenses as they were adding up to fast (denial is part of the addiction). As you already know you can't have too much money....but you can't have too many fire extinguishers either, or tools. Must haves for me are IR gun, big sockets and impact driver, small generator and compressor to run air tools when the bus ain't running (my generator also charged the bats all the way home as the bus's charging system was not working). I think an extra $1000 will ultimately save you money as you won't have to make the trip twice (learnt that the hard way).
I have worked in renovation since I was a teenager and with all the years it has never surprised me when things went over budget...nature of the beast, and you are renovating the beast.
Good advice Patrick, thank you.
Quote from: luvrbus on February 26, 2009, 06:53:28 AM
Doug, oil cost about 12 bucks a gal there is every major oil company wholesalers in El Paso known to man.Don't worry about Delo 100 there are different brands of oil that will work.Antifreeze can be purchased from the same places around 10 bucks a gal. I know there is a Chevron dist off exit 32 not far from Stewart and Stevenson been there before. good luck
Okay, thanks Clifford. When I was stuck in El Paso I was calling every place I could and all of them had never even heard of Delo 100. I know there has to be places in El Paso to buy good 2 stroke DD oil, I just couldn't find them in the height of the confusion.
Doug
Careful on that dallas sale thing, I had him on ebay several times and even tho I kept dropping the reserve it was costing a lot, then the refunds were killers too. One 82 year old lady even contacted us on double coupon day and dallas went running screaming out the door, haven't seen him since lol.
Delo 100 seems to be the gold standard but there are plenty of 40W cf2 oils out there. Farmers supply etc...Walmart etc..
You have to remember to use bus math in this situation. After you have accounted for every possible contingency, double it.
Quote from: Len Silva on February 26, 2009, 07:45:51 AM
You have to remember to use bus math in this situation. After you have accounted for every possible contingency, double it.
I keep forgetting that bus math thing. Thanks for jarring my memory. Okay, so I need $2000.00 dollars. There, I said it. I feel better knowing how high the hill is. I am a goal oriented kind of guy so you really helped me out. ;)
QuoteI keep forgetting that bus math thing. Thanks for jarring my memory. Okay, so I need $2000.00 dollars. There, I said it.
Dont forget to multiply by Pi which brings you up to $6283...... ;D I'm just sayin.... ;)
Quote from: buddydawg on February 26, 2009, 08:02:21 AM
QuoteI keep forgetting that bus math thing. Thanks for jarring my memory. Okay, so I need $2000.00 dollars. There, I said it.
Dont forget to multiply by Pi which brings you up to $6283...... ;D I'm just sayin.... ;)
:'(
Quote from: BigDougInOregon on February 26, 2009, 07:58:15 AM
I keep forgetting that bus math thing. Thanks for jarring my memory. Okay, so I need $2000.00 dollars. There, I said it. I feel better knowing how high the hill is. I am a goal oriented kind of guy so you really helped me out. ;)
Oh, the hills can be very high, but coasting down the other side is just glorious!
I know for a fact that the two closest WalMart stores here do not carry ANY straight 40W CF2 oils, Delo 100 or otherwise. [They do have Delo 400 15-40, but of course that does not help. ]
You could contact Chevron directly, and I am sure they could put you in touch with a local distributor. I regularly buy Delo 100 directly from a distributor here in PA, and they have no problem selling direct to me.
Product Availability and Contact Information
For more information and technical support for Chevron Delo products in North America:
USA Sales—
• Phone: 1-800-228-3500
Email: lubricants@chevron.com
Yeah it's hit and miss with the Walmarts. There is a big box store called tractor Supply that I have had good luck with, they had 30W, 40W, and 50W as well. I liked the TS stores because they have all manner of nuts and bolts, higher strength ones in large bus/heavy duty sizes. to wit:
http://www.tractorsupply.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/DisplayCategory_10551_10001_130607_14319_-1_14297|14312|14319
there's one in Pottstown PA
Quote from: zubzub on February 26, 2009, 11:39:54 AM
Yeah it's hit and miss with the Walmarts. There is a big box store called tractor Supply that I have had good luck with, they had 30W, 40W, and 50W as well. I liked the TS stores because they have all manner of nuts and bolts, higher strength ones in large bus/heavy duty sizes.
You just gotta love those Tractor Supply stores. I'm like a kid in a candy store everytime I go in one.
Doug, Looks like we might be bringing our Eagle to Oregon first of June, then back to TX end of the month. Maybe we could hook up sometime along the way. What part of the glorious state are you in?
PS sorry to hijack, but then again it already has.......LOL
~Paul~
Be careful of the Tractor Supply and other farm stores.... make sure you are getting a single weight API CF-2 oil. As far as I know, only 2 of Tractor supplies oil meets the CF-2 rating.. one is a multigrade oil, not suitable for conditions that you are likely to encounter, and the other is TRAVELLER PREMIUM ALL FLEET DIESEL 30Wt. which will do, but you really need 40Wt.
As a side note, up until the early 60's, Detroit Diesel recommended 30Wt oil for their 2 stroke engines.
Here is a list of (mostly) acceptable oils according to API. Just remember, there are some caveats in using these oils, and as far as I know, this list is pretty far out of date......
Check the label on the oil you are looking at and make SURE it says API CF-2.
http://eolcs.api.org/FindBrandByServiceCategory.asp?ServiceCategory=CF-2
For some reasons WHY you need to use only a single weight, CF-2 rated oil, check out the Tejas Coach website.
http://www.tejascoach.com/tips.html
http://www.tejascoach.com/ddcoil.html
Quote from: Dreamscape on February 26, 2009, 11:58:24 AM
Doug, Looks like we might be bringing our Eagle to Oregon first of June, then back to TX end of the month. Maybe we could hook up sometime along the way. What part of the glorious state are you in?
PS sorry to hijack, but then again it already has.......LOL
~Paul~
Paul,
We would love to meet you and your family but I think by June we will be moved (but again, we haven't decided where to move to yet) but we won't know where we are moving to until I get my next contracting gig. I would love to find a good paying gig in the vicinity of the bus (Texas, New Mexico, Arizona) so that I wouldn't have to travel so far at the wrench turning rally that is coming the end of April, but as of yet no leads that I am confident about. If by some miracle (or curse) we are still here in Southern Oregon (Medford area), we would love to meet.
Doug
Dallas, I never bought into Charlie's deal on the 15/40 causing that,looks to me like some didn't install the piston pin seals right and didn't pull a vacuum test on the seals. You now how easy oil rings get broke if somebody don't know what they are doing good luck
Quote from: Dallas on February 26, 2009, 12:22:57 PM
Be careful of the Tractor Supply and other farm stores.... make sure you are getting a single weight API CF-2 oil. As far as I know, only 2 of Tractor supplies oil meets the CF-2 rating.. one is a multigrade oil, not suitable for conditions that you are likely to encounter, and the other is TRAVELLER PREMIUM ALL FLEET DIESEL 30Wt. which will do, but you really need 40Wt.
As a side note, up until the early 60's, Detroit Diesel recommended 30Wt oil for their 2 stroke engines.
Here is a list of (mostly) acceptable oils according to API. Just remember, there are some caveats in using these oils, and as far as I know, this list is pretty far out of date......
Check the label on the oil you are looking at and make SURE it says API CF-2.
http://eolcs.api.org/FindBrandByServiceCategory.asp?ServiceCategory=CF-2
For some reasons WHY you need to use only a single weight, CF-2 rated oil, check out the Tejas Coach website.
http://www.tejascoach.com/tips.html
http://www.tejascoach.com/ddcoil.html
Excellent information Dallas! Thank you for sharing that. After thoroughly reading those findings, I won't use any oil other than Delo 100 in my bus again. I still can't find any in El Paso (I used the Chevron website and there was only one distributor - C&S - and they don't have Delo 100) but I found it here so I will buy two cases before I come down (or provide the funds if I don't end up coming for some unforeseen reason). It is $74.95/6 gallon case or $62.95/5 gallon jug here in Medford.
Doug
Yeah, I've had my thoughts about that too, but for the guys that really see no difference in the grades of oil, the best way I know of is to point them in the right direction.
a few years ago I asked a friend of mine that worked for DD, (a high paid engineer type that I wouldn't allow to touch a wrench on his Aluminum Ford V-8 Flathead), to explain exactly what the differences are in the damage to pistons and liners was between the multigrade oils and the single weight CF-2.
The answer I got was that the shear of the multigrade oils was in the same (approximate) class as the clearance on the older continental aircraft engines... about 1/2 of one thousandth of an inch, but the 2 stroke DD's were set up to run a lot larger clearance, and the multigrade oils wouldn't supply the thickness when needed, hence the scuffing.
Once enough scuffing took place, the piston/liner/engine was ripe to be damaged by the inherent knock that all diesels use as the primary means of firing.
I do know that when I got my Old Look transit GMC with it's new rebuilt engine, it ate oil as if it were eggs through a funnel or gas through a hen... but when I changed out to Texaco Ursa 40Wt, the oil use stopped, the engine got a lot quieter and the smoke stopped. Too bad I broke that one in two with the weight I was carrying on the trailer.
Dallas
Quote from: luvrbus on February 26, 2009, 12:42:39 PM
Dallas, I never bought into Charlie's deal on the 15/40 causing that,looks to me like some didn't install the piston pin seals right and didn't pull a vacuum test on the seals. good luck
Doug, Don't get too het up about finding Delo 100....
Exxon HD is the same thing... since Exxon and Chevron are now one company.
Texaco Ursa is also a good choice, as is Rotella Single grade.
I bought some from Farm and Fleet a couple of years ago that met the API CF-2 requirements.. I used it as a break in oil after I did a head gasket job on my 4103. It worked well, and if I couldn't find anything else at oil change time... I'd use it again.
Dallas
PS.... Check with your local NAPA jobber and have him order some Rotella or Exxon or Delo for you. Or, Call/email BK at Kylakesidetravel.com and see if he can get some over this way via busnuts, his charters or whatever is available.
Dallas
HI Dallas, just to clarify if it says API CF-2 it's good right? I've seen CF-2 40W at Walmart, and at Tractor Suppy (don't think it was the Traveller stuff though). My thinking on this has always been that in a pinch any CF-2 40W will do but given time Rotella (or other big brand name) would be the one to use.
Dallas, not to correct you here but Exxon/Mobil and Chevron /Texaco he can buy oil at Stewart and Stevenson Mobil or Chevron that is where I get my oil changed but my engine likes the Mobil doesn't like the Delo good luck
OOPS!
Thanks Clifford. You are a gentleman.
And yes, I knew that.. and got my corporations mixed up. Shame on me. I could have caused a lot of consternation for newbies if you hadn't spoken up.
Dallas
Quote from: luvrbus on February 26, 2009, 01:25:04 PM
Dallas, not to correct you here but Exxon/Mobil and Chevron /Texaco he can buy oil at Stewart and Stevenson Mobil or Chevron that is where I get my oil changed but my engine likes the Mobil doesn't like the Delo good luck