Why is it always seem a must do thing for people to quote another posters words! If its an important issue I can see why but each and every time is rediculous!
Ace
Quote from: Blacksheep on December 20, 2008, 10:43:18 AM
Why is it always seem a must do thing for people to quote another posters words! If its an important issue I can see why but each and every time is rediculous!
Ace
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Ace,
That is so when the Moderators delete 1 the other is still there.
Well, I always thought it was to show EXACTLY which words or thoughts one was replying to. :)
Quote from: Blacksheep on December 20, 2008, 10:43:18 AM
Why is it always seem a must do thing for people to quote another posters words! If its an important issue I can see why but each and every time is ridiculous!
Ace
Me. I always use it for saying exactly who I am responding to... ;D Like I just wanted to respond to your post so I quoted you... ;D ;D ;D (sorry I couldn't resist)
God bless,
John
Ace my friend,
It's a personal choice. You have brought this up before. I think it helps to make reference so people don't get mixed up and not understand. Especially when you compose a post and someones posts beats yours. Archiving is another example, so when a search is done the thought is complete.
It's like the old saying "Do It Your Way", it applies here to. ;)
My two cents,
Paul
What I'm trying to say is its ok to quote someone but does everyone that replies have to quote the whole entire post?
Ace
Ace only if the post is over 100 words or more LOL :D,just wouldnt make any sense to quote the pertinent key sentences ;D
I like to quote so folks know exactly what I am replying to. Most of the time I trim the message I quoted unless it is only a sentence or two.
You will notice I didn't quote this time because I am replying to the thread in general and not a specific post in the thread.
Uh oh,
Now I know what else I can do to annoy you. 8) ::)
:o :o :o :o
You should of kept that cat in the bag . . .
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Uh Kyle, I didn't say it was annoying! What I DID say was, it's rediculous! Especially when, for example, a poster post a thread by asking a question. A replier comes on and gives his opinion in say 100 words give or take. A second replier comes in and quotes the whole 100 words from the original replier, word for word, NOT just a line or two but the whole thing and then adds his reply. Then to top it off, another replier comes in and quotes the whole thing over yet again adding his reply. This goes on and on in some post which to me waste time scrolling to see the actual reply that was intended not to mention pages of postings where there may be say, 15 to a page with normal replies but when you start adding repeated quotes on almost every reply, your now down to say 5 or 6 per page before it starts a new page!
You may think your annoying me but it's actually pretty funny to sit and watch what really goes on from day to day. I kind of see why some people would rather just lurk than participate as many of the old (not as in age) regulars have chosen to do! Take a good look at WHO really comes on and post responses or ask questions. It's appears to be the same hand full. Where have all the regulars gone? Using a Blackberry on a regular basis to read the board gets tiring to read the same quotes over and over just to be able to decipher where in the post the reply is! Oh am I the ONLY one using a Blackberry? Try it and you'll see what I'm talking about!
Carry on fella's...
It was just a question with no intent for it to change! Just trying to enlighten those that just HAVE to copy another one's whole post!
Ace
Quote from: Blacksheep on December 20, 2008, 04:12:36 PM
Using a Blackberry on a regular basis to read the board gets tiring to read the same quotes over and over just to be able to decipher where in the post the reply is! Oh am I the ONLY one using a Blackberry? Try it and you'll see what I'm talking about!
Ace
Now I see what your point is. Yes a long post would be hard to follow on the small screen of cell phone.
I having enough trouble to read my phone for times and yet have to be in shaded area.
On the other hand, I agree about the long quote instead just the main subject to be quoted. My opinion...Long quotes might as well be better off to be eliminated because it waste of time and more confusing then scrolling back to original post.
Many times I have to locate where the subject is in the quote and recheck what the previous poster quoted.
FWIW
Sojourn for Christ, Gerald
I understand your point Ace and while I don't use a Blackberry, I recognize how it would not read well that way. But most of the members (88%) reported (http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=10373.0) using a screen size of 1024x768 or larger.
I have seen a few posts that perhaps excessively used quotes as you described to the point it muddied their own response. Perhaps some users click quote simply because the link catches their eye before the reply button does. But I think the majority of posts are using quotes in a way that helps improve the reader's understanding of the context of their reply. In my opinion they are especially helpful in multi page threads where the reply might be referencing a post that isn't even on the same page or where the topic of the thread is wandering.
Quote from: Blacksheep on December 20, 2008, 04:12:36 PM
Uh Kyle, I didn't say it was annoying! What I DID say was, it's rediculous! Especially when, for example, a poster post a thread by asking a question. A replier comes on and gives his opinion in say 100 words give or take. A second replier comes in and quotes the whole 100 words from the original replier, word for word, NOT just a line or two but the whole thing and then adds his reply. Then to top it off, another replier comes in and quotes the whole thing over yet again adding his reply. This goes on and on in some post which to me waste time scrolling to see the actual reply that was intended not to mention pages of postings where there may be say, 15 to a page with normal replies but when you start adding repeated quotes on almost every reply, your now down to say 5 or 6 per page before it starts a new page!
You may think your annoying me but it's actually pretty funny to sit and watch what really goes on from day to day. I kind of see why some people would rather just lurk than participate as many of the old (not as in age) regulars have chosen to do! Take a good look at WHO really comes on and post responses or ask questions. It's appears to be the same hand full. Where have all the regulars gone? Using a Blackberry on a regular basis to read the board gets tiring to read the same quotes over and over just to be able to decipher where in the post the reply is! Oh am I the ONLY one using a Blackberry? Try it and you'll see what I'm talking about!
Carry on fella's...
It was just a question with no intent for it to change! Just trying to enlighten those that just HAVE to copy another one's whole post!
Ace
Some of us dont know how to trim a post, some of us are too lazy to trim a post. Yes you are the only one!!
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Some of us dont know how to trim a post, some of us are too lazy to trim a post. Yes you are the only one!!
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And some like the way it looks, I think...LOL ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;) ;) ;)
God bless,
John
Ace,
I have a BB also, now I understand where you're coming from. Yes it is hard to scroll down and try to find the dialogue, I just don't use it for that anymore, unless my puter is dead then I can waste some time. As I travel so much having a BB is great cause I don't have to lug the puter out when I'm at an airport for 2-3 hours on layover, like today! :'(
Paul
Ace,
I, on the other hand, use extensive quotes to antagonize you. :-X :P ;D I am not surprized that you use a Blackberry as I have suspected that fror a long time. ??? Your posts just seem to be typed with two thumbs. ::) Sure hope you are laughing, Sport. ;D ;D ;D Could be a long night. :-\
I agree that some are tedious to read BUT I do it for clarity. So much of what I have said has been innocently missunderstood, and I am in sympathy with those people that I sometimes go to lengths to be understood. There is also the issue of missquoting and plagerism. I am serious now...honest. 8)
Be tolerant Ace. It complements you knowledge and willingness to share and assist. And the other possitive attributes that I have no way of knowing but am sure are there.
John without a dog in this fight.....till now :D ;)
John....notice I signed twice? :-*
Ace -Totally understand where you're coming from, especially when using a Blackberry. As you well know, it's not nearly the same on a regular computer screen.
But just so you know, I got flamed over on the Yahell GMC busnuts BBS a couple of weeks ago because I respectfully asked folk to respond to posts at the
top of the previous post (just like I've done here), so you don't have to scroll thru all of Yahell's miscellaneous stuff to see the response. So you're not alone!!
Also agree with JJr's comment about some folk don't know how to edit a quote, and some are, well, let's just say "too busy" to edit. . . LOL!!
FWIW & HTH. . .
;)
Quote from: Blacksheep on December 20, 2008, 10:43:18 AM
Why is it always seem a must do thing for people to quote another posters words! If its an important issue I can see why but each and every time is rediculous!
Ace
Color me enlightened!!! I did not know you could reply on top of the quote!!!! What is the [i[top[/i] symbol for? The moderators could do away with the quote feature I seldom use it. RJ those GMC nuts are a tough bunch. Jim
Quote from: RJ on December 21, 2008, 12:24:58 AM
Ace -
Totally understand where you're coming from, especially when using a Blackberry. As you well know, it's not nearly the same on a regular computer screen.
But just so you know, I got flamed over on the Yahell GMC busnuts BBS a couple of weeks ago because I respectfully asked folk to respond to posts at the top of the previous post (just like I've done here), so you don't have to scroll thru all of Yahell's miscellaneous stuff to see the response. So you're not alone!!
Also agree with JJr's comment about some folk don't know how to edit a quote, and some are, well, let's just say "too busy" to edit. . . LOL!!
FWIW & HTH. . .
;)
Quote from: Blacksheep on December 20, 2008, 10:43:18 AM
Why is it always seem a must do thing for people to quote another posters words! If its an important issue I can see why but each and every time is rediculous!
Ace
I try to only use a quote when the person I am quoting had a long post and possibly several questions in it. I edit the quote to leave only the question or statement I am answering. I also eliminate any blank lines in the quote (such as a blank line between the mesaage and the person's name)to keep it as small as possible. I do this to try to prevent in mis-understanding (which seems to be happening more lately). Jack
Quote from: Blacksheep on December 20, 2008, 10:43:18 AM
Why is it always seem a must do thing for people to quote another posters words! If its an important issue I can see why but each and every time is rediculous! (spell check is free)
Ace
I quote because I want too! ;D No really it's because I don't know how to copy & paste! ;) No really & honestly I when I feel I need to show who I'm answering or addressing different issues in the post I am quoting! If you'll notice I'll highlight, or make bold, or change colors different parts of the quotes. And then I do the same for each answer, so it shows what is what? I too usually shorten the quotes by taking all but the part I am addressing or deleting extra spaces, etc.
But I guess bottom line it goes back to the Bud Light commercials
"WHY ASK WHY?"I guess we choose to do it for the same reason you choose to bitch, or not use spell check!
Because we want to! ;D BK ;D
by the way I don't have or want a blackberry!
I prefer blueberries!
BK that's funny! Maybe you and those that admit you don't know what your doing should look at the help section of this board. Learn the proper way to use it before you use it!
I do admit sometimes my spelling may be off here and there but since you know everything, let me explain. Using a BB, there is no spell check and 9 times out of 10 the mis-spelled words you see come from simply hitting a wrong button, not so much from stupidity as in your self admittance!
Like I said all is good, just carry on as usual.
At least now SOME posters will think about what they are doing before doing it.
Oh and BK, I'd rather play with my Blackberry than you with a dingleberry!
Now THAT'S funny!
Ace
Quote from: Blacksheep on December 21, 2008, 07:10:27 AM
9 times out of 10 the misspelled words you see come from simply hitting a wrong button, not so much from stupidity as in your self admittance!
That maybe true, but 9 out of 10 times you will spot such errors if you read through what you've written before posting - it really doesn't take much effort!
If there is a word you don't know how to spell, type an approximate spelling into Google and it will show you the correct spelling - only takes a second.
There are some words which lots of people misspell because they don't know any better - one which occurs very regularly is 'loose' rather than 'lose'. I cringe every time I see that. Another example is people who type 'walla' (or variations thereof) because they have heard the word 'voila' in speech and just typed it in the way it sounded.
I realise a lot of people probably regard spelling as an unimportant nicety, and that's fine. My own attitude is along the lines "why should I bother reading what you've written if you haven't taking any bother whilst writing it?". There is one poster on this board who's contributions I never read, simply because it takes too much effort - not just misspellings and missing letters, but completely missing words and words in the wrong order - all for the sake of bashing out a reply without any care then hitting 'Post' without a second glance
Jeremy
PS. Just gone to hit the 'Post' key myself and noticed for the first time that there is a spell checker on here - you don't even need to use Google
The board is to share Ideas. I struggle with spelling and will probably will not get any better as I get older. I have dyslexia and spell phonetically. I use spell check on every post. It doesn't always work. I will never bag anyone out on spelling. You have the right to not read misspelled post and that is fine. Keep in mind that the person who is posting is looking for help on some issue. I learned at a very young age that there are no stupid people. It depends on what your interest and skills are. That is the reason for this board some people are better at things and when I need help on an area that I have little knowledge of I ask. Give the people that have trouble spelling a break They may not be all that dumb.
My Thoughts
John
Hi John
Just to be clear, I certainly wasn't intending to suggest that poor spelling was the result of being 'dumb' - in fact I very nearly called Ace on his use of the word 'stupidity'. My point was simply regarding the lack of care and effort a few people put into their posts - but each to his own, I'm certainly not trying to claim any kind of moral superiority here. I also take your point about dyslexia - in fact one of my best friends is severely dyslexic, so I understand the problems that can cause.
Jeremy
Using the quote feature is a tool that can be used well or poorly. Since there may have been several posts since the one you wish to address directly, quoting it can make your intentions more clear. I would generally agree that the quote would be best edited down to the specific point you are talking about.
As to spelling, I am pretty bad at that and do use spell check. My computer is set that misspelled words are highlighted as I type. I think that, for the most part, I do okay. However, I am a bit concerned that bringing the subject up might somehow discourage someone that is self-conscious about spelling, grammar, etc. to limit their posts. This is a bus conversion board and misspelled or grammatically challenged problem solutions work far better than perfectly presented wrong answers. In a perfect world, we all would be perfect, right? We all know that 40 year old buses are capable of proving to even the most hard core of doubters that this is not a perfect world (I know that there could be ecclesiastical arguments otherwise) . Therefore, I beg everyone to keep those answers coming. I would much rather deal with a spelling error than a blown engine. I do not remember one time in my life when, broke down by the side of the road, I ever thought to quiz the mechanic about grammar, and God forbid that my road service would send out one of the Windsor airheads to change a tire. In the imperfect, real world of mechanics skills trump presentation every time.
Well I can positively say that this thread is like most others on here where it takes a turn and just like the others is usually for the worse.
Jeremy, a little advice if I may. You said there are posters that not only mis-spell words they leave words completely out of the text so you make it a point to not read anything from them. Let me say this. This thread started out regarding "quotes and the usage" NOT spelling. I have a good friend who post here regular and although a VERY intelligent man, he has a hearing dissability which carried over to his speach as it does with a lot of hearing cases. This man is an retired engineer, I believe from GM and types just as if he were speaking. How do I know this? I know him! Obviously you don't so it wouldn't be a good thing to judge someone you don't know or never met especially from a BB like this one. Do I not read his postings because sometimes I have to fill in a word here and there? Not a chance because I'm sure that whatever he says and however he says it, I will probably learn something. I have many times in the past and look forward to reading anything he had to say in the future!
Now how all this got on to spelling ability is beyond me but it goes to show how threads go off the beaten path!
As I said... Carry on!
Ace
The only thing constant is change (or something like that).
I sometimes chuckle, and other times cringe, at often misused spellings of the various heterographs within this crazy English language of ours. Vast majority of the time, I ignore commenting on the misuse, simply because, after being an instructor for many years, I realize that not everyone has a good grasp of our written word. And that's ok, because as long as they're getting their point across, in the overall big picture, what difference does it really make? Give 'em a break!
I will agree that it's sometimes very obvious that a post was made without taking the few seconds first to preview their message, in order to correct any mistakes. And those mistakes sometimes end up creating a situation where the post becomes misinterpreted, because a key word was left out, completely changing the poster's meaning. Then the flames begin, often ending up with very ruffled feathers, until the moderators step in and calm the masses back down again. At least until the cycle repeats itself again.
Then again, that's what help keeps the boards interesting!
And now, for everyone's amusement and entertainment, as well as a little Engish lesson for the day, here are some examples of heterographs:
Heterographs: Words that are spelled differently, pronounced the same but mean different things. For us busnuts, there are several examples:
Break and brake. Brake is the mechanical device that helps get our vehicles stopped. Break is when something is disrupted, as in "a break in time", "he took a break from his bus project", "why did you break that window", etc. Spelled differently, pronounced the same, different meanings.
To, too & two Often misused, perhaps a sentence example shows their proper use: "We're going to the store, buying two gallons of milk. Do you want something, too?" In this example, "to" means direction - going to the store. Two is the spelling of the number 2, and too means also.
There, their and they're Probably the most misused of all, this one causes English teachers to grow gray hair. "They're going over there to pick up their new bus." is an example of each word being used in the proper context. They're is a contraction for the two words they are. There is a place, and their is possessive, meaning ownership.
OK, enough English lesson for the day. . . now back to our regularly scheduled bus chatter!
Oh, and just for Ace - you can quote me on that!! LOL!!! :D
FWIW & HTH. . .
;)
Oh Ace I just couldn't stop laughing! Not at your stupid joke, but at the stupid way you always twist things around in you twisted little mind! I know how to use the quote feature, and I know how to read, spell and even proof read or let spell check double check my posts for misspellings due to hitting wrong keys.
I also know that if I CHOSE to use a BB to read the boards that it would be infact MY PROBLEM that the quotes are an inconvenience and not the responsibility of the posters to limit their use of them for my convenience! But then again this is about you & not me so be it! ;D BK ;D
Oh it must be a boring life if we have to publicly bitch about what/how others post because we choose to read them on a BB rather than accept it's our use of convenience that should inconvenience others!
Can I quote you on that? lmao
Bryce,
I had always assumed that the busted knuckles came from slipping wrenches and the like, but now I wonder if they might have been from barroom fights. This tit for tat (which never seemed like a fair trade to me even though I don't know what a "tat" is) is just too petty.
RJ,
My favorites are contranyms-- words that can mean their opposite depending on use.
Example: with- In "Obama debated with McCain," the word with means against. In "Obama ran with Biden," the word with means together.
Quote from: Blacksheep on December 21, 2008, 01:24:58 PM
Well I can positively say that this thread is like most others on here where it takes a turn and just like the others is usually for the worse. . . . .
OK, how's this for a wrong turn?
Quote from: Lin on December 21, 2008, 04:18:10 PM
. . . . . "Obama debated with McCain," the word with means against. In "Obama ran with Biden," the word with means together.
It doesn't matter who he debated or ran, he's still a politician.
& that ain't a compliment!
;D ;D ROTFLMAO ;D ;D
Quote from: cody on December 21, 2008, 03:46:18 PM
Can I quote you on that? lmao
Why you most certainly may! ;D BK ;D
EH?
happy coaching!
buswarrior
For mostly old fellows on here it sure looks like a bunch of old women ;D
Quote from: quantum500 on December 21, 2008, 08:07:46 PM
For mostly old fellows on here it sure looks like a bunch of old women ;D
Your time is coming!
Sojourn for Christ, Gerald
Quote from: Sojourner on December 21, 2008, 08:50:25 PM
Quote from: quantum500 on December 21, 2008, 08:07:46 PM
For mostly old fellows on here it sure looks like a bunch of old women ;D
Your time is coming!
Sojourn for Christ, Gerald
Speak 4 yerself, I;m knot old! R any of my esteemed colleagues here old? <<<<<< Now for the intellectuals on here I ran spell check on this post and it passed!!!!!!!!!
Ace,
I feel for you with you BB. I know what it it like for it to slowly load...and then have to scroll thrity pages of quotes... ;D ;D ;D
(I spelchecked this and I dno't now whether it passed ;D ;D ;D)
Enough of me...for now... ;D :D
God bless,
John
Quantum, I have to agree with you and I AM an old woman. Although it also sounds like a bunch of little kids also. Come on guys.......are you all suffering from PMS? ;D
Quote from: bubbaqgal on December 22, 2008, 05:52:37 AM
Quantum, I have to agree with you and I AM an old woman. Although it also sounds like a bunch of little kids also. Come on guys.......are you all suffering from PMS? ;D
I was trying to behave, but since you know me and how hard it is too do. Here is the comment that YOU made me say! "More like PAS!" LOL! That's it I have said I was going to behave, and now I am going to!
;D BK ;D
to those of you that I have been communicating with off board and told you I'd do better I am sorry, but CAT made me do it!