Hi all
I just accelerated quickly and used my cell phone's SPLIT TIMER to record the times at 10 20 30 40 50 & 60 mph
here's the result
I now have a base line to check my coach in the future
Pete RTS/Daytona
Hopefully other will post thier results as well
Energy = Force * distance
For a mass m moving at a speed v, the energy E is:
E = 0.5 * m * v * v
Energy can be measured in Joules (J) or British Thermal units (BTU). 1 BTU
is equal to roughly 1055 Joules. If a 2100 pound car is travelling at 60
miles/hour, the energy is about 342600 Joules or 325 BTUs. This is the same
amount of energy required to accelerate the car from 0 to 60 miles/hour on
level pavement. This is independent of acceleration, it doesn't matter if
it takes 6 seconds or 60 seconds, it's the same amount of energy.
Energy is always conserved, meaning it can't created or destroyed, it can
only change form.
Power = rate of energy
Power can be measured in Watts (W) or Horsepower (HP). 1 HP is the same as
746 Watts.
Power, unlike energy, is not always conserved. If we have a system where
energy is flowing at a constant rate, then power is conserved, meaning the
power in is equal to the power out. For standard cars, power from the
engine is delivered to the wheels through a transmission. There are some
losses due to the transmission, air conditioner, alternator, and other
systems, but this is not considered a significant loss. If the air
conditioner is turned off, your headlights are off, and you have a manual
transmission, the losses will be not more than a few percent. Automatic
transmissions only increase losses.
The gear ratio is a transmission does not change power output. Remember,
power is conserved in this case. There might be some slight change in power
loss for different gear ratios, but for the most part, it's insignificant.
Since we know power is the rate of energy, we can divide the energy
calculated above by the time required to produce the energy. If it takes
your car 6 seconds to go from 0 to 60 miles/hour, then the power is about
57000 Watts or 76.6 HP. Keep in mind, this is the average power, it doesn't
tell us the power at any time during the acceleration. We would need
detailed speed measurements from start to finish to calculate that.
Given these numbers, I would guess the engine is capable of producing 150
HP or more. How did I come up with that number? Internal combustion
engines, like gasoline, Diesel, and even turbines, do not have a flat power
curve. The power output is zero at zero RPM and increases more or less
linearly until some peak. In stock gasoline engines, the peak power is at
5000-6000 RPM or so. As a rule of thumb, the peak is generally 1000 RPM
below red line. So if you could run your engine at 1000 RPM below red line,
then you could achieve near peak performance. If watch your tachometer, I
would guess that the RPM averages much less than that, maybe even half.
That's why you are getting only half of the power the engine is capable of
producing.
RPM, power and torque are all related. Torque is simply power divided by
RPM. The power out of a transmission is the same as the power in (minus
small losses), but the RPM is different depending on the gear ratio. If the
output shaft spins at half the speed of the input, then the output torque
is double that of the input. RPM doesn't really matter in the end as far as
power is concerned, remember, power is conserved. Changing gear ratios does
not change the power, it only affects torque and RPM. It's easier to start
with calculate power and work out RPM and torque if you need it. You can do
it the other way, but it's easy to make mistakes.
The reason most cars have a transmission at all is because gasoline engines
cannot produce torque over a wide range of RPM, particularly at zero RPM.
Diesel electric locomotives and subways do not have transmissions with
variable gear ratios because they use electric traction motors instead of
transmissions. Electric motors can produce torque over a wide range, even
at zero RPM. This is known as the stall torque. Note that steam locomotives
don't have transmissions either. That's because piston driven steam engines
can also produce very high stall torque.
here is all you need to know:
Energy = 0.5 * mass * v * v
Power = Energy / time (if power is continuous)
Power = RPM * Torque
That's it. To use these equations with your car, all you need to know is
the mass, speed, and time. Be careful to use consistent units in your
calculations. I tend to start with MKS units and then convert to other
units if needed. That's why I use Watts instead of HP and kilograms instead
of pounds.
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Just had a sudden burst of Horsepower ;D
good copy and paste on that one
Maybe someday I'll be as good as you at copy & paste
Watch what you say Remember your daughter looks on here ;)
practice, practice, watch the difference tho, I don't take credit for it
a question. . .
If someone doesn't credit the source, does that always mean they are taking credit for it? (even when it's obvious it was cut & pasted)
oh good grief, grow up
Pete RTS/Daytona
All torquing aside.........I do like what you did and think it is a good idea
just as long as that purple beast 1/4 miler posts his when he can.
I know my times won't be as good but it is a nice benchmark concept.
Skip
Wow Pete! That's crazy! Almost 42 seconds to reach 60 mph? In the old days, thoe of u that had what we thought was a hot car would say to another, "you wanna run"? I think I can take you! LOL
Ace
Is there any way to use a laptop gps to log the data?
I know when I tried to clock myself in a car, I wasn't so good at pushing the buttons on the timmer. . . .
Speaking of pushing buttons,
Looks like you don't always need a wrench to torque some nuts! ::) ;D
Quote from: cody on December 19, 2008, 10:51:49 AM
practice, practice, watch the difference tho, I don't take credit for it
I didn't take credit for it, I just removed misfired staples, dove tailed some of it together, pasted it to the wall so it would stay for all to see, then put a finish on it and presented it for all to see.
Where's the popcorn?
Quote from: kyle4501 on December 19, 2008, 12:13:09 PM
Is there any way to use a laptop gps to log the data?
I know when I tried to clock myself in a car, I wasn't so good at pushing the buttons on the timmer. . . .
Not sure about the laptop units but on some regular GPS units that data can be recalled.
The GPS is probably the best way to accurately collect data to use the formula and info I blatantly cut and pasted from the internet.
Quote from: kyle4501 on December 19, 2008, 12:13:09 PM
Speaking of pushing buttons,
Looks like you don't always need a wrench to torque some nuts! ::) ;D
I love your sense of humor and ability to use it effectively.
Popcorn? As a matter of fact, I'm getting ready to hitch up to the trailer and pop some tonight at the local Christmas Music how held at Lake Mirror in Lakeland! Should be another great show even though it was short notice on the cities part. They jut called Monday and asked me to be there. Yea the trailer makes it eay to say yes!
Ace
THANK GUYS
For stepping ALL OVER MY THREAD
now - how about going back and REMOVING YOUR CRAP !!!!
Pete RTS/Daytona
IT'S BEEN REMOVED!! Jack
I have removed a couple post that were way off topic and inapproiate. Jack
thank you jack
Sorry Pete! I guess I'm as guilty as the others!
It won't happen again!
Ace
Aw shoot I miss all the fights ! Unless I'm in it or instigating it! LOL! ;D BK ;D
By the way cool info Pete just curious could you use the prolink to do a snap shot of it? (record it)
I know with my snap-on scanner & graph recorder I can on autos, but I have not bought me a prolink yet! Everytime I think I'm gonna get a good deal on one someone bids crazy on it!
(I'm still fighting TX for our $, & just today told them "ya know next time a hurricane is anywhere south of Jamaica you should tell those people to start walking because not many of us unpaid bus companies will be coming!)
Pete,
Next youll be getting one of these, http://www.radar-detector-superstore.com/aupeme.html (http://www.radar-detector-superstore.com/aupeme.html) ;D
YKO
And cut and paste? I thought that was the words to your new song, I was dancing when I read it. ;D
Show me your enerG's :D
I musta really missed something if Jack had to break it up. :o