Dear readers and supporters of Bus Conversions Magazine,
Times are tough, as we all are experiencing. At Bus Conversions Magazine we also had to make tough choices. Go out of business (after 18 years, I think not) or reduce cost. We've choosen to reduce cost and have reduce our page count to save on printing and mailing costs. The green thing to do.
Nationwide, advertisers are pulling ads, newspapers and magazines are dying, and companies from a variety of industries are closing their doors. Things look bleak. But what can we do?
I feel the same as many and have been afraid to spend money. I contemplated this and concluded that this type of thinking makes me part of the problem. So I have decided to change.
Last week, I started construction on a new Limo Bus conversion. Do I have a buyer? No, I do not. Does the market look good for a Limo Bus? No, it does not. But, if I build one, I will be buying lots of materials and keeping people employed. These employees will spend their money and the circle will build.
Will I have a buyer someday? I hope. I believe that the sooner people start spending money, the sooner we can begin recovery. It would have been much easier for me to just say "No." I am just as broke and in debt as the next guy, but I am making a commitment to grow and not cower in spite of these economic challenges.
When individuals or companies email me and regretfully cancel their ads, I suggest to them to reduce the size of their advertisement, but to not just close their doors to the market place.
As you may have heard, the magazine has a new web master and editor who are committed to growing and improving the magazine and the website. As such, if you or someone you know is a bus nut and is not subscribing to our magazine, or is sharing a subscription order, encourage them to "get their own." If you buy products or services for your bus from someone and they do not advertise in the magazine, suggest to them to support it with a subscription. It's a small price at $38 per year. Maybe encourage them to purchase an ad that can be placed for as little as $25 per month. This small price will go a long way in helping keep emotions up. You can do it on line now by going to BCM home page and click the subscribe button, for either the print addition or the online version.
It is my hope that we can all contribute in some way and that our collective efforts can help keep the bus conversions industry rolling along. So go ahead, dust off the bus, purchase a part, and finish another to do item on the bus list. Then take her for a spin, you'll feel better.
Wishing you all a Merry Christmas, Holiday Greetings, and a great New Year full of bus miles!
Thanks for your continued support and helpful suggestions.
Mike (MAK)
Thanks Mike
I also keep spending ( not over spending ) and keep the employees as busy as possible and like you said that keeps it all moving.
Melbo
Mike well put! And I have to admit I have let my subscription expire, and was worried as to where the mag was going with the prior announcement made that it was for sale. So I for one will be RE-SUBSCRIBING and I too encourage all others who were skeptical like I was to do the same! It is encouraging to read your post about the direction you took and the chances you are taking as a fellow business man.
Thanks for all you have done, do and are planning to continue to do for us busnuts!
By the way when you get that limo bus done call me I'll be glad to bring it out here in the Midwest and work it and advertise it for you! ;D BK ;D
Thanks Mike, that is a very possitive post!
And thanks for all you do!
Jack
Mike,
Please add my gratitude for the services you provide.
Happy Holiday Season to you and yours,
John
Mike I doubt you can ever fully understand how valuable a resource this forum is. Two nights ago when we were stranded my absolute first thought was "get something posted on the MAK board and wait for some help to roll in". I did and it did. I literally sat here and tapped refresh for the first hour after I put up the request for help. I got online advice, phone calls and ultimately a slap across the head which got me back on track. Most importantly the diverse experience and thought processes always leads to better decisions if we are open to it.
Thank you.
I totally agree with the valuable resource that this board is ...for all makes and models and all forms of bus nuts ...I have been a supporter of this mag and this board ...I have been a subscriber but let my subscription lapse for various reasons but I feel compelled in these time to re-new to show my support ..and I will do that ...I remember one of the first shows I attended in Laughlin was a great time and the information was great. We need this mag and forum for the next generation of bus nuts and conversions, whether you do it yourself or buy one already done this forum and the mag are truly priceless. .....just my .02 FWIW
The board is priceless to me, it's a great group of people, the magazine hasn't proven to me to be much of a resource, possibly if some of the issues actually arrived it would be better, I'll probably renew my subscription just because I feel an obligation to contribute something but when you've received 7 of the last 13 issues it doesn't give a person much incentive. the tag shows my subscription ends on january 8th, the last issue I recieved was the august issue, I really hoped to recieve the november issue because of an article that was there but didn't happen even after chad offered to send me the electronic version of it. Like I said tho I'll probably continue but like my wife said, concider it a donation rather than a payment and it's easeir to justify.
Quote from: cody on December 15, 2008, 07:38:58 AM
The board is priceless to me, it's a great group of people, the magazine hasn't proven to me to be much of a resource, possibly if some of the issues actually arrived it would be better, I'll probably renew my subscription just because I feel an obligation to contribute something but when you've received 7 of the last 13 issues it doesn't give a person much incentive. the tag shows my subscription ends on january 8th, the last issue I recieved was the august issue, I really hoped to recieve the november issue because of an article that was there but didn't happen even after chad offered to send me the electronic version of it. Like I said tho I'll probably continue but like my wife said, concider it a donation rather than a payment and it's easeir to justify.
Shoot you wuz even a big time star in it once! Shoot that should be good for like just sending in a donation for like a life time subscription or something! I mean you should be able to get a fair rate on one, I'd say about the cost of a "Moose Creek Cabin" conversion or something like that! LOL! ;D BK ;D
lol yep BK, should be a good enough reason lol. I just went to the subscription page and donated for another year lol we'll see what happens, I said in a post a while back that 7 out of 12 was a good batting average, any ball player would be proud of it, since then another issue has been missed, but like I said the forum is worth the 38 dollars alone. Hopefully as things smooth out and the ecomomy improves, other things will get batter along with it, meanwhile I'll continue to support the effort as best I can.
I am not going to renew in March the BCM has nothing to offer for me, when the question was asked if the magazine was going back to be like the glory days of the 90's he told us on this board "yes" and look what happen
have a great day
I subscribed, and will renew my subscription, for the same reasons others mentioned. I find this forum extremely valuable, so I consider my subscription to be a contribution toward maintaining the bulletin board. If the magazine continues to improve (I like the more streamlined version, less waste), so much the better. I get much more value from here than the cost of the subscription - and I believe in paying when I receive value.
Arthur
OK guys what does the board have to do with the magazine, it is free software, volunteers run the board and it has been pointed out time and time again it cost very little run. I bet the ads at the bottom of the page more than cover the cost of running this board , just a question ? and a statement
have a great day
WHAT, IF ANY, WOULD IT HELP IF EACH BUS NUT THAT READS THIS FORUM CONTRIBUTES A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY$1 TO$5 TO CONTINUE THIS BOARD. MANY TIMES I READ THIS EACH DAY FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT AND THE INFORMATION. SAVINGS ON MY REMODEL AND REPAIRS HAVE BEEN ENJOYED. THE CAMARADIE HAS BEEN ENJOYED AS WELL AS INFORMATION ON BUS ROUNDUPS WHERE I MET SOME VERY INTERESTING PEOPLE. IF A WEB SITE WAS SET UP FOR CONTRIBUTIONS WAS DEVELOPED, I WILL CONTRIBUTE IMMEDIATELY. THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT.
How does one go about renewing? I tried & haven't heard back nor has my account been charged . . . . .
As for the connection between the board & magazine . . . .
What is it about this board that separates it from all the others? The other boards have great people too . . . .
My opinion is the magazine is the tangible base that provides an anchor/ foundation for this board.
As for the adds at the bottom, seems a lot of them are from MAK. . . . .
The same MAK that pays the cost associated with this board? ? ?
I pay more than 38 bucks a year for coffee in a coffee shop just gabbing with friends.
Cody; the 38 bucks a year doesn't bother me, I just don't see where the benefit is for me and if MAK wanted to keep the subscribers he would reduce the rate on his electronic magazine it cost him no handling, postage, or printing but he wants the same price for it as the hard copy and the electronic news papers I subscribe to the cost is about 1/3 of the copy, the magazine supporting this board is a bunch of bull Dr.Dave operates one with no support along with many others
have a great day
Well Guys, last week I drove down to St Louis to pickup some BC Magazines a guy had for sale. He had one issue of April 1992, His subscription started in 1993 an he only received four issues of 1993, he only got three issues of 1994, and two of those were duplicates of December, 1995 he got SIX wow but two of those were duplicates of September, in 1996 he got five issues, 1997 he only got four, in 1999 he got seven issues, in 2000 he finally got all twelve and this is his eight year, 2001 he received twelve issues again great, 2002 he received ten issues, 2003 he received twelve issues, in 2004 he received the first three issues then did not renew.
So taking the years 1993 thru 2003 he should have received 132 issues, but in reality he only received 78 with two of those being duplicates which means he received 76 this leaves 54 missed issues not very good in my opinion. Mailing out copies of the magazine can't be that hard, as a computer will print the labels, and all you have to do is put the label on the magazine to ship. He said he loved the magazine but they seem to always have problem getting the magazine to him. Chad sent me an electronic copy which I appreciated. I do believe Chad will do a good job, and that missed issues will hopefully be very small in the future. I will subscribe to BCM because of how Chad handled my concerns. But with that said if I start missing magazines I will not be renewing.
WVaNative
I buy it for the centerfold! ::)
I agree with dreamscape it's the centerfold lol, to see a bus in a very revealing bikini sure does it for me lol. I'm thinking a 'scratch and sniff' thing on the center fold of diesel fumes? maybe?
I am not going to touch this one the lessons from the other thread about this subject is enough to last me awhile LOL good luck
Quote from: makemineatwostroke on December 15, 2008, 09:45:41 AM
. . . the magazine supporting this board is a bunch of bull Dr.Dave operates one with no support . . .
I believe the good Dr. has a 'special' arrangement, due to previous business dealings, that allows him to host the board at no cost.
It is my understanding that the more traffic you have, the more the charge for hosting the board on 'the net'.
But, I've been misinformed before . . . . ::)
So, I'm back to pondering - - - What makes this board different? We all know about the other boards, but we choose this board, why is that?
Quote from: kyle4501 on December 15, 2008, 10:24:56 AM
Quote from: makemineatwostroke on December 15, 2008, 09:45:41 AM
. . . the magazine supporting this board is a bunch of bull Dr.Dave operates one with no support . . .
I believe the good Dr. has a 'special' arrangement, due to previous business dealings, that allows him to host the board at no cost.
It is my understanding that the more traffic you have, the more the charge for hosting the board on 'the net'.
But, I've been misinformed before . . . . ::)
So, I'm back to pondering - - - What makes this board different? We all know about the other boards, but we choose this board, why is that?
Kyle I tell you why we choose this board over the others, it's because it the best there is. It's better that the others because it gets more traffic, and its a lot more friendly. the guys on this board are great and I know a lot of guys here are over there also, but this place kicks the other boards @$#.
WVaNative
Cody
"just gabbing with friends" now your just bragging :)
Kyle4501
IMHO.......the bbs is nothing more than a lost leader.....the main site does incur web design and
building costs yadda yadda yadda.............so great for us..I don't mind the tag along situation.
"we choose this board, why is that? "
where does the white go when the snow melts
probably has something to do with the regulars "Hi Norm" habits.
Just an observation
Skip
Mac that was a very good post. I along with many do not like the Readers Digest version of BCM and was not going to renew. After I read your post I decided to renew again to show my support and maybe someday it will get back to the original. I am just about finished with my conversion and have no idea where I would have been without the magazine and the information off of the board. Thank you for hanging in there, it would have been so easy for you to pull the plug and walk away. Thanks again Wilbur Bradbury (BUR)
Ok guys yet another question how does BNO do it Ian doesn't depend on a magazine for revenue to run his board and does not charge anything to sell a bus or conversion parts.I notice people from this board there selling items over 150 bucks and not buying MAKs ads any answers have a good day
Yep skipn, of course I'm bragging, anyone that can survive on a 38 dollar a year coffee shop budget is still doing ok lol, of course, that doesn't always count the occasional donut lol.
Mike,
Happy Holidays to you and your family.
Thanks for 20 + years of the best help and support for the only real hobby I have ever had.
John, Tami and JC
PS JC has enjoyed all those fabulous bus nuts, there families at rallies since he was born. (Now 21 years old.)
Quote from: skipn on December 15, 2008, 10:58:22 AM
. . . probably has something to do with the regulars "Hi Norm" habits.
It's my opinion we choose this one because of the subtle undertones established by MAK & his choices concerning it.
As for BNO, there is a different 'atmosphere' over there & it too is a 'loss leader' for the selling stuff.
Still no free lunches. . . .
Hey MAK, Any possibility of subscribers getting a few 'free' adds for bus parts in the magazine (pictures extra, of course)? May stir up more intrest in the classifieds . . . .
BTW, concerning where does the white goes when the snow melts, the white never existed, just an optical illusion resulting from too many conspiracy theories . . . . ;D :o ::) :P
The white never existed? We store it for the next year, that what we do, I had a whole bay full of white that I took south last year and traded it for jars of "florida warm". Problem was that my bay doesn't seal very tightly and some of it fell out along the way. lol
Quote from: cody on December 15, 2008, 10:00:01 AM
I agree with dreamscape it's the centerfold lol, to see a bus in a very revealing bikini sure does it for me lol. I'm thinking a 'scratch and sniff' thing on the center fold of diesel fumes? maybe?
He's just bragging because he WUZ the centerfold one month! And thank god, heaven, and MAK for not making it a scratch & sniff! ;D BK ;D
Now I don't mind helping to support the board by a donation or buying a subscription even though I don't belong here because I don't own a conversion only seated buses and SETRA's at that! But I have high hopes someday of building one of them into a conversion! We are almost out of the MCI inventory and I think that the 2 left are gonna become nice conversions (mom & dad are still partial to the old 102A3 they have put many a mile on!) and if Robert doesn't change his mind and opt out for an Eagle I believe he is sorta set on converting the MCI he drives for us when we retire it in favor of a newer 45' SETRA. (if he doesn't buy an Eagle first! He regularly tells me about Setra's & Eagle's he finds listed on the bay and elsewhere and when I tell him I'm not interested in any Eagles he tells me ya can't go wrong because if you buy it I'll buy it from you! Hmmm someting awful fishy here!)
But I intend to do my part to help the BEST BOARD stay the best whatever it takes ti do it! I occasionally go to Dr. Dave's & even once in a while stop in on Ian's but the one I check more often than my own email is right here!
Even if it means having to fear Cody being a scratch & sniff in the follow up issue on him! LOL!
;D BK ;D
Man BK, you crack me up "scratch & sniff" LOL. There is only one BK and thank God for that oh, I mean him.
WVaNative
I felt like I got a slap in the face when I received the new magazine. The publisher states that when he took over 12 months ago, his goal was to make it a better magazine. Well it has gotten smaller, less info and seems to be a 2-3 page advertisement story for companies that convert. The centerfold doesn't grace the front page and their seems very little info given about the centerfold compaired to earlier issues. The only reason I still keep it is for the Myers and Galey articles. Which last month somewhere here we were told that would be decreased because they were retelling old stuff. Times are hard yes.....but don't feed us a bunch of crap about how better you made the magazine when quality has gone down.
Clee2,
Well I see this was your first post Welcome aboard.....Hope to hear more from you.
Trivial things like where ya from......Portland, vegas, atlanta etc......
what kind of bus you have or looking for.....
Hope you have a wonderful Holiday
Skip
I am from n. Texas and currently do not have a bus. I have been receiving the bus magazine since 2004, so that when I do get one I will have some background knowledge. Hopefully.
Clee2, I think they have medication now to counter the madness brought on by bus's, they even claim to be somewhat close to a cure lol.
I don't want a minivan though !!!!
BK, I think you belong here just as much as any of us other nuts. I never saw anywhere here where it says 'you have to own a bus conversion'.
Besides, I enjoy reading your posts.
Best regards.
Mark
"Cody; the 38 bucks a year doesn't bother me, I just don't see where the benefit is for me and if MAK wanted to keep the subscribers he would reduce the rate on his electronic magazine it cost him no handling, postage, or printing but he wants the same price for it as the hard copy and the electronic news papers I subscribe to the cost is about 1/3 of the copy, the magazine supporting this board is a bunch of bull Dr.Dave operates one with no support along with many others "
So Makwminewhatever, let me take a wild @$# guess here. I'll just bet you are one of the volunteers that helps to keep this BB going. Right? In fact you'r probably the guy who does the most work,for free, of course. It always amazes me how some people look at other peoples businesses and decide that they make too much money. How do you know how much it costs to run a BB? Just because someone else does it for no cost doesn't mean everyone does/can/want to. The other person may have reasons why he chooses to absorb the costs(he probably feels good about helping others or some other reason no one knows about) But don't insult the rest of us by suggesting theres is no cost in keeping up a BB or distributing the magazine electronically. The only thing saved there is the paper and the cost of mailing. Perhaps by doing that MAK is able to achieve a satisfactory return on his investment that he is not able to get with the hard copy version.
If you don't like the magazine, then don't buy it. If you don't think there is value in the BB don't come here. But don't badmouth the magazine owner and then turn around and take the stuff he gives for free.
Thats rude and ignorant.
Fred M.
bottom line it takes money to make money. people are getting way to overconcerned with this nonsensical "green" movement . to assume we have this much power is arrogant. need to pump more $$$ into spending on advertisement & positive thinking. prepare for the worst but expect the best.
Mc, I do know how much it cost for a board and a web site fwiw, the point I am trying to make is the magazine does not support this board.I try and help the guys all I can with their engines questions and if you think for one minute I am taking advantage of Mak you answer their question for them look at members on top and you will see one less and I hope you can answer the question for them have a great evening
Quote from: circusboy90210 on December 17, 2008, 04:58:04 PM
bottom line it takes money to make money. people are getting way to overconcerned with this nonsensical "green" movement . to assume we have this much power is arrogant. need to pump more $$$ into spending on advertisement & positive thinking. prepare for the worst but expect the best.
Well hello circusboy! Glad to see you are still with us! And to be honest (seriously, no harm intended!), this is the first time I have ever totally agreed with you on anything!
LOOKS like you and me can get along! (sshhh don't tell anyone though it'll ruin my reputation as a PRICK!) ;D BK ;D
i renewed a few months ago. my magazine via pdf came in right away. small? yes it was, but good information.
i just spent $4k on my jakes, my tow brake and some other things cause i don't have the knowledge of some like mma2s or bk. but now those wrenches can spend my $4k on their cars, kids or whatever. maybe they'll buy a computer, maybe from me, and i'll get my money back and like MAK said, keep the circle goin. hopefully, it's not a circle jerk and we're all gettin screwed.
MAK, thanks. keep up whatever faith and work you can. to not try is to die.
btw, leavin Saturday for bussin 09. Pray for warmth enough to get the engine started and the brake lines thawed, and that the wrench that put the jakes on didn't ruin my good runnin 8v92.
i'll start a new thread later.
well, I've not had any problems with the magazine. Out of the last 14 years, I think there are only a few issues missing and those could easily have been misplaced after I received it.
"Mc, I do know how much it cost for a board and a web site fwiw, the point I am trying to make is the magazine does not support this board"
So WHO do you think pays the bills to run this board? Who pays for the connection to the net? Who pays for the hosting computer? Who pays for the software update? The costs may be small or not so small but THERE ARE COSTS.You seem to think that because there are a number of knowlegeable people who answer questions for no charge(including yourself)that there is no cost. I don't see a charge to be a participant on this board(unlike others I belong to) so the money must come from somewhere. And seeing as how MAK owns the board the money obviously comes from him. Unless you know something the others don't.
Fred Mc.
I know for a fact, that some message boards aren't free (unless they are government subsidized ;D ;D ;D). We used to know some folks that had a board (far bigger than this one) and it cost good $$$ to keep it going. I am grateful to MAK for keeping this open. We are subscribed to the BCM, and will continue to be, for now.
I might add that there are a lot of free services for the boards out there. Our freinds had their own server for it, and custom software. I don't know what MAK is using. Everything might be free... I don't know.
That's my .02.
God bless,
John
Quote from: Fred Mc on December 17, 2008, 03:25:20 PM
"Cody; the 38 bucks a year doesn't bother me, I just don't see where the benefit is for me and if MAK wanted to keep the subscribers he would reduce the rate on his electronic magazine it cost him no handling, postage, or printing but he wants the same price for it as the hard copy and the electronic news papers I subscribe to the cost is about 1/3 of the copy, the magazine supporting this board is a bunch of bull Dr.Dave operates one with no support along with many others "
So Makwminewhatever, let me take a wild @$# guess here. I'll just bet you are one of the volunteers that helps to keep this BB going. Right? In fact you'r probably the guy who does the most work,for free, of course. It always amazes me how some people look at other peoples businesses and decide that they make too much money. How do you know how much it costs to run a BB? Just because someone else does it for no cost doesn't mean everyone does/can/want to. The other person may have reasons why he chooses to absorb the costs(he probably feels good about helping others or some other reason no one knows about) But don't insult the rest of us by suggesting theres is no cost in keeping up a BB or distributing the magazine electronically. The only thing saved there is the paper and the cost of mailing. Perhaps by doing that MAK is able to achieve a satisfactory return on his investment that he is not able to get with the hard copy version.
If you don't like the magazine, then don't buy it. If you don't think there is value in the BB don't come here. But don't badmouth the magazine owner and then turn around and take the stuff he gives for free.
Thats rude and ignorant.
Fred M.
Fred, you probably shouldn't throw out insults without knowing what you are talking about. I don't have a dog in this fight but I can tell you that other than startup costs, there is no cost to keeping a board like this up. And the same with distributing a magazine electronically. I do both for Eagles International as well as five other entities that I am involved with. Other than the minimal startup costs, it doesn't cost anything on an ongoing basis other than actual storage space of the site. All the ones that I volunteer to do, I do for free so if it were an expense my wife would be screaming. I don't know who MAK uses for web storage but if he is paying very much on a monthly basis he should shop around. There are so many great storage options out there now that no one should be paying high monthly fees. The company I use offers a plan with a one time startup fee and no ongoing monthly costs. With all the traffic this site has, the GoogleAds probably help with what little ongoing costs there should be here. I know GoogleAds don't pay much but there really should be no ongoing costs.
We sure are losing good people around here lately. :(
Now as far as the magazine goes, I totally support anything that supports this hobby. Do I have a subscription to BCM right now? No. Why not? Because I subscribed for a year and there were three main series articles that ran the entire length of my subscription. For me it wasn't helpful. There are people out there I know who want to know every little thing there is to know about sine waves and the science that makes them work. But for me, I just want to know the basics of how to convert my bus. To me, over a one year period, I would have liked to see many aspects of bus conversion introduced. Two continuing articles on power, and one year long article about a couple touring Alaska just didn't keep my attention. I found myself only looking at the centerfold each month. So when it was time to renew, I didn't. That doesn't mean I have any ill will towards the magazine, and none at all towards Mike personally. I have spoken with Mike on the phone several times over the years and always found him friendly and helpful.
I say all this to say that just because someone doesn't subscribe to the magazine and makes true statements about this forum not being dependent on income from the magazine to exist does not equal "slamming the publisher". If the publisher wants this forum to be a part of the magazine and require subscription to participate, that would be easy enough for him to do. But I tell you, this would be a lonely place. And I can also tell you that this forum being free to all is the best advertising BCM could ever hope to get. We had the same discussion when I was setting up the Eagles International forum. At first it was going to be for club members only but I said that we would be missing a huge chance at getting new club members by keeping it closed. Over 2/3s of the members of the forum are not members of the club. That is a lot of new Eagle owners who have gotten involved that would not have been there before.
I'm sure that Mike knows that owning BCM is a business. It is a separate entity from Mike Kadletz, the man. He can't take it personally just because someone chooses not to subscribe. Looks like other people here need to learn that same thing for the peace of this forum.
FredMc, we are all volunteers on this board by passing on information to each other you lashing out at Davenport was uncalled for.I have been a subscriber to BCM for over 16 years and I have known Mike for the same amount of time but choose not to renew this year.It would be very interesting to find out how many of 1900+ members here subscribe to BCM,and if you have a problem with members here using the board without subscribing to BCM say the word and I will stop.For software upgrades you can download this one for free, and I feel bad about Cole I was the one that ask him to come help some of the guys here with Don being so busy now with the 2 stroke engines oh well live goes on. good luck
Gee Whiz, I just noticed that makemineatwostroke is now a guest........Bummer....His knowledge about DD's will be missed by myself and others I'm sure.
Fred, What you said publicly about Makemine was uncalled for, you should have sent a PM and kept it private.
I hope Makemine rejoins in the furture.
We need to get along and share knowledge on this board that Mike makes available to us for FREE!
My 2 cents and a cup of coffe!
Paul
Just a little comment from the front page of SMF, the software this forum runs on.
Simple Machines Forum — SMF in short — is a free, professional grade software package that allows you to set up your own online community within minutes.
So like I said, the magazine does not pay for the forum. If anything, the forum with all of it's free members, helps pay for the magazine because of the ads.
All right guys, sit down and behave, don't make me turn this post around lol.
Let's try to stay on the subject of this post. One of your friendly moderators.
Right on Jack!!! Thanks.
God bless,
John
Jack,
One last one.
Songman,
So very well stated. Excellent!
Guys,
How did this get so far out of hand? What Paul said.
Luvr,
Please don't go Luvr. If you do i'll have to hunt you down..... for info.
Be well all,
John
Dallas, cody is on my side of the forum & he's looking @ me again. ;-) :o
Just last night I signed up for a one time issue of BCM to decide whether or not I wanted print or electronic version. Then by chance I ended up talking to Mike on the phone this afternoon...what a nice guy and a tremendous source of information for our hobby. He also volunteered to send me a few back issues.
I am sure I'll be sending in a subscription, whether to support this board or just to build my knowledge library, I believe it will support the board.
As Mike is, so am I a small business owner and I can appreciate what he brings to the table (magazine or board).
Regarding bus sales, I have read a few posts regarding Easter and the stories/problems people have there, so I am certainly considering a purchase from Mike.
A new guy with no bus yet.
Dave not totake anything away from MAK but I personally bought a bus from Easters and although they are not what I would call people friendly, you DO get a great deal as long as you lay ALL your cards on the table for ALL to see! If you go there looking for a warranty type deal, forget it. It's a cash and go type place but as long as you state up front what your expecting, that's what you will get and nothing more. If you buy a bus and expect more than what you bargained for, keep looking cause you won't get it from Easters. What you WILL get is a good price for a good bus! That bargaining is all done PRIOR to the the signing so once the paper is signed you get exactly what you signed for!
Ace, satisfied with the deal we got from Easters
WVaNative
Sorry, but I dont believe your guy from St Louis, I think he lost them. I have also been a subscriber during all those years, whenever I had a problem with a issue they corrected it.
John
Alright, Don't make me stop this bus...
Dennis