what things to check out when purchasing a shell???? correct process in kickinng tires etc. ???
What I learned the first time I bought a shell or project bus and would absolutely do the second time is to just bite the $bullet$ and hire out a professional coach mechanic versed in exactly what you are looking at...pay him the $300 or $400 bucks and just tell him to take all day and check for EVERYTHING! Saves lots of grief in the end.
I bought my '74 Crown 10-wheeler practically sight unseen. Just a casual 20 minute look-see underneath, then a 30 minute test drive with the seller along. At the time I had a hunch I was buying an absolute gem (I was) but just hunches don't work all the time. Actually I had no clue, but lucked out big time with my Crown. HB of CJ :) :) :)
i allready cn buy cars & trucks (gas & diesel) (4wheel or 18 wheel) justwhant to knowthediff I don't trust mechanics anymore especially diesel.
Quote from: circusboy90210 on November 29, 2008, 04:21:51 AM
i allready cn buy cars & trucks (gas & diesel) (4wheel or 18 wheel) justwhant to knowthediff I don't trust mechanics anymore especially diesel.
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Well that said just buy away! Sometimes it's just hard for us to deal with a clown too!
FWIW ;D BK ;D
Circusboy, unless you are an excellent diesel bus mechanic yourself then I really don't think you need a bus. They often need work done on them that a mechanic needs to do and since you don't trust them you would be required to do it yourself. These engines are very different than a truck diesel engine and you can't just do it yourself without knowledge or guidance. There are many honest and good diesel mechanics out there that know engines and buses and I know this because I am married to one.
Sometimes it's just hard for us to deal with a clown too!
Something about that sounds funny lol. (sorry, I couldn't resist)
Quote from: cody on November 29, 2008, 10:37:03 AM
Sometimes it's just hard for us to deal with a clown too!
Something about that sounds funny lol. (sorry, I couldn't resist)
What? a mechanic can't be serious ? And can't we be able to work on things without being distrusted by someone who's biggest accomplishment all day is clowning around?
OK Cody, Dallas, Bubbagal & you others who know me! No silly comments either! At least I don't wear make up! ;D BK ;D
I have a very analytical mind. I can fix darn near anything. 9take pictures labeling & bagging everything.) I worked in a restoration shop fora year doing ground up "frame off work on vwbugs." Kind of resent the thinking that clowns are incompetent. ::) :P :'( :-\ ;D >:( ;) 8) anyhow it's just another thing 2 conquer.I own plenty of tools that all have a storytotell. not just holding space.
I suggest that you pick up a bus repair manual (any bus, doesn't matter) and study it cover to cover.
Then spend some time hanging around any heavy equipment shop (trucks, bulldozers, buses, boats etc., doesn't matter).
Then read the archives of this and the BNO board end to end.
Then just shut up and listen for about three years.
MCI's are not just big VW's
Quote from: Len Silva on December 04, 2008, 08:11:18 AM
I suggest that you pick up a bus repair manual (any bus, doesn't matter) and study it cover to cover.
Then spend some time hanging around any heavy equipment shop (trucks, bulldozers, buses, boats etc., doesn't matter).
Then read the archives of this and the BNO board end to end.
Then just shut up and listen for about three years.
MCI's are not just big VW's
Amen! I agree
"lighten up", listen, learn, and then learn some more! Or since you already know so much maybe you should go buy a VW BUS!!!
"in other words DUMP the $hit for brains mentality!"FWIW ;D BK ;D
"ya know sometimes it best to keep yo mouth shut, and let folks think ya a fool. Than to open it and remove all doubt!"
Yep, looks like he is in a Catch 22. The best answers to his question of "things to look for when purchasing a shell" are going to come from a mechanics, and he doesn't trust them. I guess a lot of you can save your time posting responses.
Really Circusboy I can't believe you actually got on this board and asked such a question , and then when these experienced guys try to help you , you insult them!! What kind of help do you excpect? A little respect goes a long way. They have helped me immensely and I have been working on different things for years, doesn't mean that I have any of the answers I may need, the learning process never stops. Don't ruin it for the rest of us.
that's y I asked. I don't trust diesel mechanics because of my exp .ended up paying $4500 4 a simple (quoted @ $1,200 6.2 swap) (they kept my coreon to of dropping original repacement )engine swap. took 32 days living in storage area where i had my tt waiting. I almost lost everything & lost many opportunities while waiting. then after that still having probs with oil leak & light smoke in a "new"rebuild. so if posible nobody will ever turn a wrench on anything I own. then on top of that the tow truck driver bent thedriveshsft & the mech lied (buddy buddy) & said t came that way. long story cut short $2,500 rebuild $1,200 swap cost me nearly 12 grand,for what Icould have done in a wek onmy own with what most woukd call limited tool set (300 lbs of tools) I could have boughtcherrybpicker etc & stsyed on site &ntask &ndone this not 2 mention farming out stuff 2machineshop.
don't equate clown with incompetent .
Well, I wouldn't trust every diesel mechanic out there either, especially the ones who work on light trucks. Like everything else, you have to be careful who you do business with.
If you read the archives here, you will find that everyone has recommended getting checked out by a competent BUS mechanic, not a truck shop, heavy or light.
Further, when you get to the point of actually considering a bus, there are many folks here who will gladly refer you to a competent shop close by. It's not unheard of here for some members to drive a couple of hundred miles to help you look, but not if you piss everybody off by asking for advice and then belittling it.
To partially answer your original question, there are hundreds if not thousands of things to look at in a bus (and many more in a bus conversion), the diesel engine among the least of them.
Many of these things are model specific, so no help until you narrow it down.
So, the short list:
1. Start the engine (from cold). Minimal smoke after 5 minutes is good.
2. Site down both sides. No wrinkles, no bends, no bulges. (A straight bus in the business parlance)
3. Let it idle for 30 minutes or so (This is the last time you will ever do that!) while you check lights, gauges, cleanliness, paint, and anything else you can think of. Look underneath for any kind of leaks, front to back. Don't forget to turn the steering wheel lock to lock to stress the hydraulics.
4. Drive it! At least 50 miles, preferably 100. Expect to pay for the fuel if you don't buy it. Make sure it shifts smoothly, tracks straight, no shimmy or vibration. Brakes should feel firm and smooth Operate the brakes a lot at low speed as in city driving, make sure the compressor keeps up with the demand.
5. When you get back to the lot, shut it down and check again for leaks, the air pressure should hold for 30 minutes or so (minimum).
6. If you like it, buy it.
7. Take it to a bus mechanic, he can tell you how bad you screwed up and what it's going to cost.
Quote from: circusboy90210 on December 04, 2008, 10:17:35 AM
that's y I asked. I don't trust diesel mechanics because of my exp .ended up paying $4500 4 a simple (quoted @ $1,200 6.2 swap) (they kept my coreon to of dropping original repacement )engine swap. took 32 days living in storage area where i had my tt waiting. I almost lost everything & lost many opportunities while waiting. then after that still having probs with oil leak & light smoke in a "new"rebuild. so if posible nobody will ever turn a wrench on anything I own. then on top of that the tow truck driver bent thedriveshsft & the mech lied (buddy buddy) & said t came that way. long story cut short $2,500 rebuild $1,200 swap cost me nearly 12 grand,for what Icould have done in a wek onmy own with what most woukd call limited tool set (300 lbs of tools) I could have boughtcherrybpicker etc & stsyed on site &ntask &ndone this not 2 mention farming out stuff 2machineshop.
don't equate clown with incompetent .
Just because YOU were incompetent enough THAT time not to check the mechanic out better, does not mean we are all crooks as you indicate with the way you said it! Also If you could and can do so much better and cheaper why don't you start your own shop and have clowns coming to you and showing how much you are over charging because they don't understand the business world that requires you to make a reasonable profit in order to pay unseen overhead like rent/mortgage on shop, utilities, tool payments (they don't give away quality latest technology tools), shop equipment (lifts, hoists, jacks, drop lights, tool boxes, etc.), wages (mechanics don't work for peanuts like clowns and elephants!), INSURANCE (HUGE UNSEEN & MISUNDERSTOOD BILL!), TAXES!,TAXES, TAXES, (local, regional, state, federal, sales, income
business + personal, etc.!) Upgrades and compliance issues!, lawyers to fight ignorant clowns who think they know more than you but
don't, won't or can't put their $ where their mouth is!
Now farther more the more BS you put out shows your complete incompetence & ignorance! If you were as good a clown as you run your mouth, you should have $ in the bank to use when needed! But poorly paid clowns who don't understand the need to PUT SOMETHING no matter who small or large away for later, and live pay day to pay day & often blame others for their misfortunes just don't understand the way economics work. And don't have the demand for their "carney services" that a PROFESSIONAL CLOWN does!
I am so tired of hearing how good you are, how much better & cheaper you COULD do things, yada, yada, yada. Put your $ WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS or shut up and listen and learn. It really irritates me that you keep coming back with the same lame BS about US (diesel mechanics which almost any bus mechanic is, but not all diesel mechanics make good bus mechanics!) while telling us who to do what we already do, and at the same time expect us to be tolerant of your constant BS and give you Free advice even though we ain't trust worthy!
In short start listening more, insulting less, and for damn sure quit giving advice where you don't have a clue as to how bad you could get someone hurt, killed or maimed! Quality work and craftsmanship cost $! Just like a good clown gets paid good $ and called for the good parties while bad clowns follow what ever CARNIVAL will allow them too!
If you really wanna learn from us try to stop alienating us! You say you've "been coming to this site for a while but are still shown as a
newbie nuisance. Until you opened your fly trap we didn't even realize we were teaching someone that doesn't trust us! Maybe that is the way it should return too until you learn how to respect those you wish to teach you something!
BY THE WAY THE BOARD HAS FREE SPELL CHECKING! Even if you can't spell, you can use it and make your posts legible! FWIW I'm done clowning with you! >:( BK >:(
BK,
It's OK man! The world is full of them. Remember the guy who was going to do a "frame up" restoration on some junk city bus? He knew more than just about anyone here about buses.
The best clowns are driving new Prevosts.
Circusboy:
Are you the same Circusboy90210 who posted this on a different forum? ...
oh before this I was underneath the truck working on the starter wire whenthe tranny let loose I barely got out in time to save the truck from going over a cliff. and later the police hauled you away in handcuffs?
Reference: http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/th-400-rebuild-gone-wrong-141605.html
Or are you the Circusboy90210 that had all the motorcycle problems on http://www.cbrxx.com/body-paint-electrical-lights/3566-bike-wont-start.html ...and asked what a voltage regulator does?
Or are you the Circusboy90210 who, about ten years ago was trying to get someone to donate a bus to them because of claimed physical disabiliites (search the BNO archives)
I don't know, WE. That/those posters seem too literate to be the same guy. ;)
Or are you the Circusboy90210 who, about ten years ago was trying to get someone to donate a bus to them because of claimed physical disabiliites (search the BNO archives)
no
Quote from: WEC4104 on December 04, 2008, 02:06:50 PM
Circusboy:
Or are you the Circusboy90210 who, about ten years ago was trying to get someone to donate a bus to them because of claimed physical disabiliites (search the BNO archives)
I think that was also on the old (I believe, now gone forverer) MAK BB. Jack
Often times the simple one word response "no" speaks volumes. It can mean that the statement is 98% accurate but because of one side's interpretation of the last 2%, they are able to deny the statement's overall accuracy. By intent, the brief answer offers up no additional info so folks cannot ascertain how much of the original statement was factual.
Let me clarify..
I can recall posts and discussions by an individual using the name "Circusboy90210" that date back many years. The archives on BNO show that he was posting as early as April 2001, and probably earlier.
The individual had an email account at the time of circusboy90210@hotmail.com
This person was a perennial wannabe. His posts would frequently start out stating that he was interested in buying a bus and was asking for advice. Other members on the board would generously spend their time trying to assist. Lengthy discussions would transpire and then eventually die out. No bus was ever purchased. Then a few years later, he would resurface and it would start over.
As Jack mentioned, I believe many of these discussions took place on the old MAK board (may it rest in peace). These are no longer available. There is however, a mention of him in the BNO archieves (2005, I believe). It includes a comment stating that there was someone going by Circusboy90210 who wanted to have a bus donated to him. The request for the donation allegedly was made a few years before the archieved 2005 post.
I guess it is possible that there are two or more Circusboy90210's, and it is not the same person coming back to stir the pot once again. You decide what you think.
WOW; guys if nothing else he knows were the term " a tuff audience to play " originated from
have a great evening
oh before this I was underneath the truck working on the starter wire when the tranny let loose I barely got out in time to save the truck from going over a cliff. and later the police hauled you away in handcuffs?hitchhiking is illegal in that part of town, used to be a prison there.however it happened next to fire to a fire dept. got trash truck two help pull from edge of abyss.then went to sewer dept & was given materials & tools to fix the problem for free.
oh dear....
happy coaching!
buswarrior
Well, I am also a newbee... but I hope I don't come across like this guy.... WOW, It is hard for me to even read his posts.
Circusboy, please spell out the words you are trying to say. The crowd in here probably isn't up to the new fangled "text language" and it surly is hard to read even for me. I am also a mechanic, (aircraft and vehicle) but have only touched on diesels a few times. I admit that I have a ton of learning to do, and love the fact that I can get on one of these sites and talk about problems, etc with very qualified diesel mechanics, bus mechanics, and just your average bus owner that has "been there before". There us a wealth of knowledge out here. I for one am happy just to have the opportunity to read back over 400 pages of past posts and participate in new posts. Someday soon, I will own a bus, and until that day comes, I read, read, and read some more. I have visited several "bus" shops in my area, talked with the mechanics for a few, and the owner/ operators of a few charter companies.
As far as trusting a diesel mechanic to touch your bus (if and when you get one), think of this: Yes, there are bad mechanics out there, that will screw you every way possible, when they see you walk up. But since there are forums like these out there, you talk to people, and ask some questions about your problem, and get free advice (maybe from a lifetime diesel mech or bus mechanic). Advice that might cost you dearly if you were a paying customer. Ask about the shop you are thinking of using, and someone might say that its a good shop, or its a bad one, or they might suggest one in your area that they trust. OR, there is always another option, read, read, and read some more, and teach yourself over time how to complete the work. But please, don't use a blanket statement and imply that ALL mechanics are bad....because they are not...
well this is a funny thread....
although I have no interest in defending circusclown's statements I will say that I have rarely had a good experience with regular mechanics.
Almost every time I let a garage mess with my rigs they break as much as they fix.
e.g. I have a Bosch Digifant ignition on a van and I cannnot trouble shoot it so I go to the most recommended shop in my area. We did the diagnosis together, I read the read out saying it was the TPS he said no it's not that I need to keep the van blah blah blah..three days later billed for 5 hrs diagnosis and guess what it was the TPS. Could have made a stink but may need the guy again so whatever.....oh yeah fooling with the system he messed with the idle it runs 200 rpm higher than before and cuts out in moderate weather untill warm. Maybe i don't need him again. This is just one tale of me watching while someone makes more work for themselves...
I'm guessing the heavy machinery mechs are different, (and more sensitive ::) as the ones I have met even the truck tire shop guys have been very helpful. I'm sure there are good and bad of everything but it will take more than a couple of bad experiences with any group to decide they are all bad.....even this group! ;)
There's a clown in every crowd. This guy needs to go back to basic English in school and learn simple grammar and sentence construction before he attempts to pick on diesel mechanics. This site also has spell check, he should try using it. Before you pick on people on this site look at your self and review your short comings. Which is your case is English grammar. Grow up and stop being a clown or idiot all your life.
Knowledge and experience are basically the greatest attributes that anyone can have in any chosen profession especially as a mechanic. I have a brother and several very close friends that are mechanics and they amaze me at their skills in tackling just about anything that needs repaired. I've been lurking about on this bus site for almost 6 months and have learned an incredible amount just from other members knowledge and experience and their willingness to share it. This site and others like it give us all some basic knowledge of what to expect for jobs to large to tackle.
Great mechanics are out there, but can be difficult to find. I found one local and was very happy with his work. So was everyone else in town and he had to hire several additional mechanics. Business got so good, he no longer has time to twist wrenches, too busy managing the business. Now the work is done by fair to good mechanics. Damn, I wish I had not recommended him to everyone I knew. LOL Jack
LMAO ;D With Circusboy's vast mechanical expertise, his repair of a starter wire involved the local police, fire department, sewer department and a trash removal truck to save his vehicle from going over a cliff. ;D ;D ;D
He contends that working on a bus uses the very same concepts, just on a larger scale. If he ever does purchase a 15+ ton bus, the evening news is going to get some great material. "Local Bus owner attempts repair on taillight, National Guard called in along with the FBI, EPA, and Jesse Jackson."
But back to the topic of diesel mechanics.... I am fortunate in that my 4104 and it's 6-71 are serviced at U.S. Coach. Luke, Bill and their team performed an in-frame (including an upgrade to a 4 valve head) two years ago. You simply aren't going to find a better shop. If Circusboy would take the time to LISTEN to solid advice, instead of just asking for it and then ignoring it, he could find a reputable mechanic, too.
Just My opinion, but a person has to be smart enough to shut up and listen to be able to evalute the new mechanic's ability to perform his or her function. I think that it might be a difficult task for clown boy. Perhaps He could be sent for a bucket of propwash or slipstream for starters. John
Ya know guys, I think we all agree that we don't like his typing or his attitude but I think we are getting into a bit of slamming here. Can't we let this go? If we don't like him or his questions just totally ignore them please!! Pretty Please! ;)
The best clowns are driving new Prevosts. David larible is the clown of clowns he does not drive a prevost nordid he buy one.'(it was given to him free of charge & he pays a driver) ;)
"He contends that working on a bus uses the very same concepts, just on a larger scale. If he ever does purchase a 15+ ton bus, the evening news is going to get some great material. "Local Bus owner attempts repair on taillight, National Guard called in along with the FBI, EPA, and Jesse Jackson"
did not adjust gear selector properly I learned in hindsite first time auto tranny rebuild. so park pawl did not fully engage. the starter neg cable was routed incorrectly to close to manifold(exhaust)
the shop I went to seemed to be reputable having tons of local accounts with governments in the Rochester NH area,even had a very nice web site. shop book indicated 28.5 hours four a 6.2 swap. went there several times nothing was being done on my truck. they kept stringing me along for a month for a 3 Any job . when hanging out anywhere n that town . folks kept saying, wow good luck buddy,after i told them where my investment was being worked.also was told what a prI#5 the owner is & have seen him put vehicles out of his shop . i was very patient , they charged me me for 60 hours. then on top of that did not install the water pump they insisted I buy,.because they"forgot" then took 3 more days to adjust timing &told me I would have to pay for their forget fullness. they forget & I have to pay for their mistake?got home 1,200 miles & oil filter was not on tight. injector#1 was loose .ups dropped my engine another week for replacement.they stole my core did not realize it till too far away to return. engine was running when i came to pick it up.battery's that were good when i got there had 5bad cells stuck in Virginia vdot jumped me &gave shot of go juice &could not shut off till i got home. so you see . also from doing rigging work i was wrong to do so because it's not in my nature t trust others with things that concern my life.if anyone has taken this as a slight it was not intended & I apologize. if anyone wants to know which shop this is I'm me.
as far as being a poor clown it's not for lack of talent,however I did get involved with 2 friends in business which I found was a bad idea &lost it all 3 time for trusting friends.(one twice) that's why i came here twice before looking for buses.
Don't get under anything without chocking the wheels.
Especially when not flat.
Especially when working on the starter or transmission.
Especially if you are accident prone.
Especially if you have to learn more than once from your mistakes (don't get me wrong here, I have been twice schooled in a couple of areas and I'll hazard I'm not the only one).
I'm with Bubbaqgal, he's not worth the time, he get's off on this, lets let it go.
very lucky to be alive was trying to remove starter neg cable truck facing uphill, crawled under front in front of tires ,truck rolled other way. all i heard was loud thunk & instant movement was on a street Corner next to an intersection. instinctively grabbed onto frame got drug 6' , then let go & jumped into drivers seat narrowly missing cliff by mere inches.but @ least my life is never boring. ::) i have learned volumes since thenveritable 6 month odyssey to rebuild a tranny & my life has been so much more rewarding because of it& the contacts & learning it has gained me. now i will never be stuck again nor be held prisoner tonhighway robbery. again if anyone felt slighted i apologize :) ;) :D :P 8)
Yep, I'm done and movin' on....
Quote from: bubbaqgal on December 05, 2008, 06:58:21 AM
Ya know guys, I think we all agree that we don't like his typing or his attitude but I think we are getting into a bit of slamming here. Can't we let this go? If we don't like him or his questions just totally ignore them please!! Pretty Please! ;)
I'm trying but I can't find the ignore button! LOL! ;D BK ;D
Circusboy sure has pushed some of your buttons and you keep on biting. You have these guys on about all forums and everyone falls for their cr**.
tough crowd won't even accept apology :'( :P ??? 8)
I'm trying but I can't find the ignore button! LOL! ;D BK ;D
BK, it's right next to the anykey.
Quote from: bubbaqgal on December 05, 2008, 10:04:11 AM
I'm trying but I can't find the ignore button! LOL! ;D BK ;D
BK, it's right next to the anykey.
I'm sorry I shouldn't said that! :-[ BK :-[
that's y I asked. I don't trust diesel mechanics because of my exp .ended up paying $4500 4 a simple (quoted @ $1,200 6.2 swap) (they kept my coreon to of dropping original repacement )engine swap. took 32 days living in storage area where i had my tt waiting. I almost lost everything & lost many opportunities while waiting. then after that still having probs with oil leak & light smoke in a "new"rebuild. so if posible nobody will ever turn a wrench on anything I own. then on top of that the tow truck driver bent thedriveshsft & the mech lied (buddy buddy) & said t came that way. long story cut short $2,500 rebuild $1,200 swap cost me nearly 12 grand,for what Icould have done in a wek onmy own with what most woukd call limited tool set (300 lbs of tools) I could have boughtcherrybpicker etc & stsyed on site &ntask &ndone this not 2 mention farming out stuff 2machineshop. don't equate clown with incompetent .
Clownboy90210, I must say you take my breath away, from laughing my @$# off, I think I hurt something from rolling on the floor. BK could you take a look and see if I sprung a leak? My first thought is if you can fix it better than the mechanic you chose, then why didn't you fix it yourself in the first place. My second thought is now that you have said you could do it then just do it. Third thing is if you do decide to do it yourself please get a nice life insurance policy on yourself and make me the beneficiary I could use a couple of million. I'm not going to tell you how to do the job, Just do it your way, Buy a nice small cherry picker for that DD, don't block the bus because that might get in your way as you crawl underneath it, and be sure to get the tran's dolly from Harbor Freight. Oh one last thing make sure the insurance company has my correct name and address, I'll pay the postage LOL.
WVaNative
Ouch,that's gonna hurt in the morning LOOOOOOOOOL ! ;)
Quote from: wvanative
Clownboy90210, I must say you take my breath away, from laughing my @$# off, I think I hurt something from rolling on the floor. BK could you take a look and see if I sprung a leak? My first thought is if you can fix it better than the mechanic you chose, then why didn't you fix it yourself in the first place. My second thought is now that you have said you could do it then just do it. Third thing is if you do decide to do it yourself please get a nice life insurance policy on yourself and make me the beneficiary I could use a couple of million. I'm not going to tell you how to do the job, Just do it your way, Buy a nice small cherry picker for that DD, don't block the bus because that might get in your way as you crawl underneath it, and be sure to get the tran's dolly from Harbor Freight. Oh one last thing make sure the insurance company has my correct name and address, I'll pay the postage LOL.
WVaNative
OK first off now ya got me laffing about this again! But in all honesty clownboy did make an apology publicly to all of us, and privately to me in a pm after I posted the VW bus (in bad judgement on my part I must add!).
I accepted his apology and even typed out a nice long one of my own for taking him personally and attacking the same values I do agree with.
As I am a DIY'er myself! But at the same time I spent the time & $ to learn to do it right and bought or borrowed the needed proper tools when needed!
Now I'm not going to get all long winded about this but I did sorta personal get out of hand in my attack on his "way of thinking".
As I said I am the same kind of DIY'er as anyone else, but before I give anyone DIY advice I make sure I know what I am talking about and that when I do give advice it is PRACTICAL & SAFE!
What I found offensive of clownboy at first was he was slapping the very same people he was asking for help in the face while asking for their help, but again he did sorta apologize for that in his own way!
Now the next thing that really riled me about him was the advice he was giving without a clue as to the complexity and seriousness of the need for proper equipment for doing the job right and safely! Again thought he did apologize for that too! And for that I can live & let live too.
If you'll notice he has been much less vocal and hopefully reading and learning more about buses than trying to impress us all by blah, blah, blahing us and showing us all he really knew to begin with was how to get hurt or get someone else hurt!
I have no desire to keep this going or to keep demeaning him or picking at him. I lost the long apology I had typed to him in a personal msg. and was so disgusted in myself I was not about to retype it! But now that it has been brought back up I offer this public apology and plea for all of us to live and let live in harmony so that our wonderful board does not go back to the old days of hatefull slamming and bashing of each other! So to clownboy and everybody else lets please take this as a learning experience and let it die and move on with what we are all here for and that is to enjoy our hobby of buses! FWIW ;D BK ;D
By the way WV yes you sprung a leak! LOL!
Dang burn it, I knew I had a problem, you know it always happens just like a bus as the equipment gets old and worn out. Look away I'm hideous! Since I'm leaking like a DD, I guess its time for new gaskets, and seals. How much DR. BK for new gaskets, and seals, and can you get me in next week? lol
WVaNative
BK,
Thanks for your post. I really appreciate all of your advice. I know that you have some real experience with mechanics, and aren't just dreaming about possibles fixes for problem. I would like to say, "Thank you for all of your advice." Keep up your great posts!
Thanks,
God bless,
John
Quote from: wvanative on December 15, 2008, 04:10:30 PM
Dang burn it, I knew I had a problem, you know it always happens just like a bus as the equipment gets old and worn out. Look away I'm hideous! Since I'm leaking like a DD, I guess its time for new gaskets, and seals. How much DR. BK for new gaskets, and seals, and can you get me in next week? lol
WVaNative
Oh we can get ya in next week all right! And I hope you've been back to W.VA recently and picked up a jar or two of "home brew Mountain Dew" too! LOL! If not the bill is gonna be
Hillarious! And you may need some serious clowning to cheer ya up ! LOL! ;D BK ;D
Quote from: John316 on December 15, 2008, 06:30:24 PM
BK,
Thanks for your post. I really appreciate all of your advice. I know that you have some real experience with mechanics, and aren't just dreaming about possibles fixes for problem. I would like to say, "Thank you for all of your advice." Keep up your great posts!
Thanks,
God bless,
John
John thank you! Ya know I do clown around alot myself, after all look at my signature line! But when it comes to safety I take that 100% serious I seen to many people get hurt over stupidity & I refuse to be a part of it if I can stop it in anyway at all! I have had to use jacks, lifts, air bags,and tow trucks to lift cars, engines,
cement trucks, tractors, bob cats, boats,and building materials off from people who took a chance on safety, or took it for granted and lost! I once even found super strength from adrenalin to lift a rolled over car off some one by my bare hands myself (only for long enough for someone to drag them away from it & leaking gas to safety!) and for the life of me I could have never done it before or since!
And it's always depressing to be the one to tell a widow, parent, coworker, sibling, or child that it could have been avoided very easily!
All I can say is this thread was entertaining! :-\
Like BW.....Oh Dear......